Talk:EllisLab

Notability
Why has this article suddenly started going back and forth being tagged as not meeting notability guidelines? The Primary Criterion: The "secondary sources" in the criterion include reliable published works in all forms, such as (for examples) newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations except for the following: [press releases and works with trivial coverage] One source is the company's About page, which while not a secondary source, obviously qualifies as an authoritative source for the material that is cited. The other source is an independent magazine. This Wikipedia article has existed since 2006 without any concern of notability being raised, and I find it odd that it would suddenly be a cause of concern. How about SixApart? That article has no secondary sources, why is it not flagged? Djnafai 13:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * "One source is the company's About page [...] obviously qualifies as an authoritative source for the material that is cited"
 * It is not a good practice to cite official web sites/etc (see WP:V, WP:RS), but that is really irrelevant to notability. Notability is established, first and foremost, by independent recognition of the subject. The general notability criterion is "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." (notability guideline), the others merely complement it. Note "significant", "reliable sources" and "independent".


 * "since 2006 without any concern of notability", "How about SixApart?"
 * Inclusion is not an indicator of notability; Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy, so the level of policy enforcement is inconsistent. -- intgr #%@! 22:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not able to go through these at the moment and assess notability for each one, but Googling for reviews of Expression Engine certainly seems to turn up a lot, although I didn't find anything offhand that I'd consider well-established print media.  I just started a new job using EE and came over here to learn more about it, but obviously my anecdotal experience doesn't matter.   More to the point, from the Google results it seems plenty of people are using EE, or interested in using EE, or at least bothered to review EE.   Cheers, PhilipR 16:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Per PhilipR, there clearly are independent secondary sources here. The problem is that the article doesn't reliably cite them. This notability argument wouldn't survive an AfD; I've changed it to refimprove. --- tqbf  16:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. -- intgr [talk] 17:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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