Talk:Elonka Dunin

Nola Kaye(copyied from talk page - threeafterthree)
Hi, regarding the removal of this. I'm in agreement that it's trivia which should not be in the lead. However the information is sourceable, if you'd choose to re-add it elsewhere:

These two should probably also be added to the "Books" section of the article, but I'll leave it up to you as to whether you think they're worth including (or whether you have time to do so).

FYI, --Elonka 20:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Elonka, Yeah, I can add that first part back into the article somewhere, as well as the two books, just need to finish up the Holidays first :) Cheers! --Tom (talk) 01:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hiya, 18-month followup. :)  And here's another ref on the "Nola Kaye" connection:
 * Ultimately, this biography is badly out-of-date at this point, despite my suggesting multiple sources here at the talkpage. I'd fix the article myself, but there are of course COI issues.  Perhaps I could create a draft version in a subpage somewhere, and then request review? --Elonka 15:27, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * (20-month followup) I have made a copy of this article in my userspace, at User:Elonka/Draft, so that I can work on updates. This is not a high priority for me, so the work may take a few weeks (or longer).  In the meantime, if anyone would like to work from that to update the existing article, feel free.  --Elonka 22:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * (20-month followup) I have made a copy of this article in my userspace, at User:Elonka/Draft, so that I can work on updates. This is not a high priority for me, so the work may take a few weeks (or longer).  In the meantime, if anyone would like to work from that to update the existing article, feel free.  --Elonka 22:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Updated draft
I have created an updated draft of this article at User:Elonka/Draft. For obvious reasons, I shouldn't update the live article myself. If anyone would like to work from my draft to update the live article though, please feel free. It could be copied in verbatim, though the user template at the top would need to be removed, as well as a bit of housekeeping at the bottom (I commented out the categories and Commons link while it's in my userspace). --Elonka 15:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have moved the draft to Elonka Dunin/Draft. It's ready to move into mainspace, if anyone would like to do it.  Just uncomment the categories and commons link, and the userspace template at the top, and it should be good to go.  Or of course if anyone wants to take sections from it, or further edit it, that's fine too. --Elonka 03:07, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Is every bit of info in the sources? Looking at the beginning part
 * "at Simutronics Corp. in St. Louis, Missouri, where she has worked since 1990. She is Chairperson Emerita and one of the founders of the International Game Developers Association's Online Games group, has contributed or been editor in chief on multiple IGDA State of the Industry white papers,"
 * It seems like only some of that is in the following source. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's a link to my personal bio page, which is already cited elsewhere in the article. If you need other sources on anything, let me know and I can try to provide whatever needed. --Elonka 18:57, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Merged history
Hmm, so the histories of my draft page and the article are merged now? I probably wouldn't have done that, but oh well. Because I know that at some point when I'm doing admin work someone is probably going to bring this up, "OMG, she violated policies and edited her own bio, de-admin her!" So for the record, no, I did not edit the Elonka Dunin article, I edited a draft page in my userspace, I then brought it up at WP:BLPN, other editors then copied some of my changes to the live article, and the histories were then merged. --Elonka 19:19, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was me that updated the article. - Here is the archived BLPNoticeboard discussion that resulted in the update - Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive133 - Off2riorob (talk) 01:44, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, what happened is that because the draft page was sitting in the wrong namespace (draft pages are supposed to stay in user sandbox space, rather than getting moved to articlespace in the Title/Draft format), it was landing on the uncategorized articles list. So I moved it back to Elonka's sandbox, then saw the talk page request that It's ready to move into mainspace, and moved it over. If that wasn't what Elonka actually meant by moving it into mainspace, then I apologize for misinterpreting — but I was simply acting, in my capacity as an administrator, in accordance with what I understood the request to be.
 * For the record, WP:COI doesn't strictly prohibit anybody ever editing an article about themselves at all; a person is always entitled to correct straightforward errors, such as factual inaccuracies, formatting errors or typos, even in an article about themselves. COI is more of a caution to be careful about what you do with your article (such as not rewriting it in an overly promotional or POV fashion) rather than a blanket prohibition on ever touching it at all, and potential COIs can always be fixed or reviewed to minimize their impact — and it's also worth noting that a person who's so diligent about ensuring that she not even create the impression of having violated COI is pretty unlikely to have genuinely violated it anyway. So I wouldn't worry about it too much. Bearcat (talk) 19:17, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bearcat, and you're right about COI. I just remember the promise I made at my 2007 RfA, and I'm trying to honor that. --Elonka 19:56, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Additional sources
If anyone wants 'em:
 * Please stop. I'm bored. 166.239.43.251 (talk) 18:02, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Please stop. I'm bored. 166.239.43.251 (talk) 18:02, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Please stop. I'm bored. 166.239.43.251 (talk) 18:02, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Crypto-related
About 5 years ago, I made a sound effects file in response to a discussion on the Novelas Wikia's now defunct IRC channel.

The context was about an "alien intelligence" which was monitoring the Earth.

Rather than uses a generic beeping radio source, I actually made my own SETI like "message" The file is :

I wondered what your skills as a cryptographic analyst made of it.

However, I should warn you that it's a data signal, not voice band audio.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:05, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Isn’t it against the Wiki guidelines to “self-promote”?
Elonka Dunin one of the “Top 200″ editors of Wikipedia, has been editing her own Wikipedia page.With regards to Wiki’s policy on “NOTABILITY” isn’t it against the Wiki guidelines to “self-promote”? If self-published media, such as books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources — why is Ms. Elonka Dunin’s personal website allowed to be used as an autobiographical reference source on her page? Why has this not been deleted, when other external links on other pages have been, because they pointed to “self-published media”? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsekanayake (talk • contribs) 02:21, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * In large part, I have not edited the article, but it does look like I have because some of the edits were merged in from an external draft article (after review by multiple other editors). Please see the above section about "Merged history", including this thread at the BLP Noticeboard. --Elonka 06:58, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * On the question of using Dunin's personal website for autobiography, using self-published media by the subject of an article (within some limits) is explicitly allowed by WP:BLPSPS. (yes, I know that this is an old discussion, but I didn't want to leave that hanging.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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