Talk:Embrun, Ontario

Nomination for Featured Article
My goal on Wikipedia is to increase knowledge and publicity of Embrun, Ontario. I realized from the start that getting it Featured would be a good idea. So, I extended it and modified it to meet the criteria for Featured Article Candidates. After a few weeks of this, I believe I am ready to nominate the Embrun, Ontario article as a Featured Article Candidate. Now I can only hope that the rest of the Wikipedia community is supportive of the Embrun, Ontario article.--FruitsAndVegetables133 22:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

You need soruces, and some images before it can become a featured article. -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea of Embrun being a featured article. I agree, and think that Embrun is a perfect candidate, and so are many other places as well. It has an excellent amount of history, facts etc. -Loghead1

Expansion
I cannot seem to think of anything else to put on this page. Does anyone have any ideas how to expand this article? Loghead1 00:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I do. Maybe put some information about buildings in Embrun, like the Eglise St. Jacques or the Place d'Embrun.

Eglise St. Jacques
How exactly can we find information on Eglise St. Jacques. I have done lots of searching, and I can't find any decent history for it, except for the fact that it was built in 1856, the same time Saint Augustine-de-Catherine was renamed Embrun. Loghead1 19:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Pending Tasks
About the pending tasks, what is the definition of "small" section?

Motto
I changed the motto to Fibri Ad Exemplar; that is what is says on the Community Pride Poster for Embrun made by Skylar Productions in 1991. I don't know how anyone came up with Stand by. But does someone know what Fibri Ad Exemplar means in English? I don't know that. --FreshFruitsRule 12:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I was checking some online Latin Dictionaries, and I think that one of the words means model. Loghead1 15:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
I attempted to clean this up a little. This page still has a lot of fluff that I wouldn't consider encyclopedic, it's too long. Any ideas on how to make this a bit more organized? 209.105.207.181 19:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

GA Nomination
I think this article is probably at Good Article level. I'm nominating at at Good article candidates--FreshFruitsRule 17:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

GA failed

 * 1. Well written? Fail
 * 2. Factually accurate? Fail
 * 3. Broad in coverage? OK
 * 4. Neutral point of view? Fail
 * 5. Article stability? Pass
 * 6. Images? Pass

Additional comments :
 * The lead section doesn't summarize or give a clean overlook of the article to the reader.
 * Make sure that image Image:Embrun, Ontario Coat of Arms.jpg has a fair use rationale clearly written.
 * No reason is given for the destruction of the Saint Augustine-de-Catherine road in 1853, it would be helpful to find one if it exists because the reconstruction that is mentioned right after is tough to understand by itself.
 * The lines However, now that the town was creeping closer to the river, flooding became a terrible problem. For 100 years (trenching, dikes and valves built in the 1950s prevent floods from occurring now) families living close to the river would have to evacuate the area during the flood season. are time-dependent and it might not be accurate in a decade from now and so WP tries to eliminate any time dependancy there could be. Also, do the families have to evacuate or they don't, it is tough to tell.
 * Is there a reference for Because of this, the houses near the river were where the poorer people of the town lived.
 * A line like A full-sized church and a schoolhouse graced the town is repetitive.
 * In This bridge still exists today on St. Jacques Street. the editor used some time-dependent words that should be avoided. Many other instances of such are present in the text and should be removed.
 * This boundary became known as the Embrun-Casselman Lumber Front. should be cited to give help to the reader that is inexperienced with these events.
 * Starting with Each company bought land to the north and south of the front. , the text of this paragraph tends to be vague and tough to understand and some copyediting might be required. Also, more accurate dates would help immensely.
 * In The lumber industry had more or less destroyed itself., I'm wondering if destroy is a too powerful word for such a case?
 * Inline citations should go after the punctuation. More inline citations should be added as it presently lacks many in important parts of the article.
 * Expansion would be good for Media and Education as it doesn't even mention the date of inauguration of these media and education houses.
 * St. Jacques Street is a major road in Embrun. It is another very busy street which lead to Notre Dame Street. It also is the street where you can find three of Embrun's schools (St-Jean, La Croisée, École secondaire d'Embrun). Therefore you can only imagine how traffic moves slowly there in the morning because of the school buses compacting in this 2 lane street. doesn't comply with NPOV.
 * The Trivia should probably be removed or turned into prose and added in other sections.
 * The bullet point paragraph starting with Average Afternoon Temperatures Per Month: isn't really necessary unless it is made in a small table.
 * Politics should be expanded.
 * Tourist Attractions is more or less important and should less enthusiastic and more encyclopedic.

Many of GA's criteria aren't met and therefore will give time to the editors to come in accordance with the criteria by re-working the text. If any question arise feel free to request assistance. Lincher 20:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

History
There are almost no sources given for the history section, and several reliable sources (such as  from the Municipality web site) appear to contradict what is in the history section in some ways. I've been looking into the history of this page, and it appears that 216.106.103.241, an anon, wrote all that. I think the history section might be a big lie to be honest. --FreshFruitsRule 20:42, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There. Re-wrote the history section with verifiable facts. --[[Image:EmbrunChurch01.jpg|20px]]FreshFruitsRule 20:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

??Question??
Today, March 24th, 2007, the prime minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, is visiting Embrun, and I was wondering if we should put that into this article. As I have been told, he came to visit the town for a cocktail party. He went to the Russell Township town hall for the party. If people do not think that this is article material, please let me know. If you think that it should be added into the article, also please let me know. P.S. I wouldn't put the information I just stated as lazily in the article.

Loghead1 20:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You'll need a source to place it in the article. If you have a source (be it a newspaper article, reliable website, etc.) you can put it in there. But if you just simply place it in the article without saying where you heard it from, then don't put it in there.

The local media (newspapers) are probably going to do a story on it, so I'll wait until they publish this week's paper. Loghead1 13:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

This is long over. I never got a newspaper, and I never even thought of it. Does anyone here have a source so that they can post this information onto the article?

Loghead1 20:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Organization
I have noticed that the Embrun article is very unorganized in some parts. Some paragraphs begin with one thing, and end with another. An example of unorganization in this article was when somebody put the information from Canada Post about how many residences there are under "History". People need to be more organized in their writing so that information isn't all over the place. Otherwise it will be too confusing to understand. Loghead1 13:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

French pronunciation
It should be —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.203.220.189 (talk) 22:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Fixed. --[[Image:EmbrunChurch01.jpg|20px]]FreshFruitsRule 13:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk-Page Cleanup
I got rid of some unnesessary posts on the talk page (some were mine, and others were mainly in the conversation entitled "notes"). Am I allowed to do this?

Loghead1 20:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's typically frowned upon to remove others comments. I originally reverted your changes but reverted myself because it appeared you were doing the changes in good faith. If I were you I'd add the comments back, or add them to an archive. --Android Mouse 20:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

May I ask how to do so? Loghead1 19:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:Embrun, Ontario Coat of Arms.jpg
I'm not sure if the rationale under Image:Embrun, Ontario Coat of Arms.jpg is good enough. We don't even know where it came from. Should I remove it from the article? --FreshFruitsRule 16:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that you should remove it from the article, FreshFruitsRule, because what are you going to put in it's place? There is no need to remove it.

Loghead1 18:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Ken Hill Article
I created an article on Ken Hill, but since I do not know anything about him, I was only able to write a miniscule paragraph. I was wondering if someone who knows more about him could please fix up the article, and make it larger.

Loghead1 22:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I have since just redirected the article to the Russell Township page.

Loghead1 (talk) 20:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Freewebs Article Reference
I'd like to know who made the Freewebs site a reference. This website could have been made by anyone with false information. We should go with what Statistics Canada has said for the population. Didn't we used to have their find on the article? Whatever happened to it? I won't remove the Freewebs reference nor will I remove the population as stated by them until we are able to find the ACTUAL population... not false populations as found all over Google and Freewebs.

Loghead1 (talk) 00:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Using the freewebs site is perfectly okay. If you actually look at the Freewebs site, it did take its info from Statcan. And if you use GeoSearch 2006 (a Statcan resource) you'll see that the source supplied by the site is true, and that the Census Tracts and Census Dissemination Areas that are found in Embrun due indeed add up to 8,048.--216.106.110.182 (talk) 23:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, then I think we should reference those websites and not the Freewebs one, therefore people don't have to go running all over the place to find the right information. It should be removed.

Loghead1 (talk) 04:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Good idea. I changed the source to use the direct facts from Statistics Canada. --[[Image:EmbrunChurch01.jpg|20px]]FreshFruitsRule 21:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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