Talk:Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University/Archive 1

at the moment i'm a bit tipsy from lack of sleep, so forgive me for the writing quality. i'll try to revise it later, when i am more than semi-conscious. mnemonic 19:14, 2004 May 28 (UTC)

I'm a current (though soon to be former) ERAU student, I'll try to add a goodly amount of new content (with pics) here soon. mnemonic 22:48, 2004 May 23 (UTC)

Mckay Motel
Hah.. I always thought it was a converted motel. Ah well...my bad. --Miketwo 17:40, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * mckay ruled. just saying.. &#9992; James C. 02:55, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

University?
I don't agree that ER and other flying-oriented colleges are as strong in engineering as traditional engineering schools. Flight training is a vocational endeavor, and should not be counted towards academic credit. In most cases, it will be less expensive for you to learn to fly at a local airport's flight school. Also, study a real academic discipline, such as engineering, physics, mathematics, etc. Don't study such things as "Aviation Business Management", etc. which are popular at flying colleges. It is very hard to become an airline pilot because of intense competition and the general state of the airline industry today, and you need to have a viable academic/marketable skill on which to fall back.


 * Not really the place to discuss it, but Riddle's Engineering program is top notch, it's hard to compare it to some of the top engineering schools because of the lack of a Doctoral program, but rather good. I do agree that Riddle does have some BS programs, and that the Aviation Science Degree program is very vocational. But the Riddle flight experience, may not be the best place to learn for all students, but it does clue you into the very structured flying life that one would see at a major airline. I don't agree that should be a pilots only experience, because there are other skills used more in recreational flying that do come in handy when flying professionally. But this isn't the best place to discuss this. PPGMD 16:46, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

A true "University" has doctoral programs and conducts a significant amount of externally-sponsored research with published results. I don't think Embry-Riddle meets those definitions (at least not the first one). I have never met an E-R graduate in any of my clients' organizations. And yes, I agree with the first commenter- flight training and aircraft technician training are not academic pursuits and should not count for degree credit. - Michael S., PhD, Commercial pilot (airplane multiengine and instrument)/ aircraft owner, Consulting Engineer (Avionics and Communications)

Micheal: Have you ever been to an ERAU campus or are you merely professing opinion based upon incomplete information? ~--Foghorn 15:33, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Foghorn- I am merely stating a fact- I've never worked with an engineer who was a graduate of E-R, and I am simply agreeing with the other statement regarding academic subjects. The definition of a university that I quoted was one that has been traditionally applied by academia, state education departments, and the Carnegie Foundation for Higher Education in its classification of institutions of higher learning.

Having been to to the University of Bologna I can attest that they too have progressed with redefining standards since the middle ages. Glad we aren't following those original 'traditions'; but I am left pondering what other degree programs have arisen over the decades as a result of developing technologies. In my view Aeronautical Science is an amalgamation of an array of disciplines: meteorology, physics, mathmatics, aerodynamics, human factors, physiology, and yes, professionsl pilot training. Just as we want a physician to study medicine, physiology, biology, etc., shouldn't we have the same expectations for a person responsible the health and safety of hundreds of fellow humans each day? ~ Foghorn 20, Feb 2006

Foghorn: I do agree about how you say that ERAU is certainly not going to match an engineering school's level of research and innovation, or establish a similarly intelligent student base, but for an undergraduate level, I must say that much of this is likely to be moot point. Go to a large university and most of the undergraduate teaching curriculum is conducted in large auditoriums by poor graduate students rather than research professors. There is so much to the Aerospace engineering field that not much more than broad overview is possible in the span of four years. I have not observed any significant disparity in job placement, it is not unusual for an ERAU student to get good placement at a major defense contractor. And ever more so today, job placement really isn't coming down to a plain bachelor's degree anymore.

Air Force: Why on earth should flight training not qualify for degree just because it is a vocational endeavor? What makes flight education unacademic ? What about the many other vocations that require a specific degree for it?

The fact is that if one was going to be an Airline Pilot, they will be responsible for a LOT of people's lives, not to mention their own. In the way that you should be more than adequately, specifically and thoroughly trained for it, The Aviation professions are no different from that of the professions of Law, Nursing, Medicine and Psychotherapy, all of which require a specific degree, a 'vocational course', if you will, for you to be able to practice it. It is a given that flight training is fun and liberating, but those who surmise that this makes academic flight training EASY do not know what they are talking about. In the same way anyone would surmise that the study of Aerodynamics, Physics, Foreign Languages, Geographic Navigation and Fuel Calculation is a walk in the park, I would assume that people who jump to such conclusions have merely resorted to sourgraping thanks to the lack of benefits, health and legal hazards at their current jobs as resident crop-duster of the ACME Marijuana company.

Doctoral Program
This point is now being worked on by ERAU as the College of Engineering is now developing and planning to implement a Doctoral Program for AE. As for AS, I agree with Foghorn. The diversity of training which the pilots recieve is very academic in nature to include meteorology, calclulus, aerodynamics, psychology, etc. The only difference is that instead of Engineering projects, or the like, they have a "Flight Block" where, for several hours a day, fly and in doing so compile and apply what they have been learning in the classroom. I must say I would feel a lot better knowing a Pilot came from ERAU than from "Bob's Flight Training Int'l". Just a thought. Longbowe 15:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Differences between Daytona and Prescott
Make sure to emphasize which facts pertain only to the Daytona campus, the Prescott campus, or both. Clarity is the key when writing about mnultiple campuses in the same article. --ZsinjTalk 00:00, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The external links should be broken into three categories, "Daytona Campus", "Prescott Campus", and possibly "Extended Campus" if applicable.
 * Done. --ZsinjTalk 03:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Prescott?
Does anyone have any pictures of Prescott? Longbowe 14:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I took the Daytona pictures (most of them) myself. If anyone is from Prescott and has a camera, snap a few pictures of the prominent buildings on that campus. :-) ZsinjTalk 17:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I got plenty more Daytona Pictures, especially of Lehman, oh do I love that building, but yes we need Prescott Pics. Longbowe 18:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Let's improve the article!
Mostly, What is a good article?. Getting the ERAU article up to GA status would really be nice. Anyone want to help? ZsinjTalk 17:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm in! If you need anything just ask. Longbowe 18:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

So I will definitely have time this week to help improve our article so check back and give me some feedback. Longbowe 02:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Right now I am in contact with the Attorney of Embry-Riddle regarding use of the logo and seal. More on that when it comes. Longbowe 23:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Unless the University will release those images under the GFDL or a similarly free license (which I doubt), you will have to make an argument for fair use of the images. That's usually not a problem for logos, but seals are more problematic. -- Donald Albury 13:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I copied over the rationale used on the previous logo we had on the article. Zsinj<sup style="color:#888888;">Talk 16:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I've written new copy for the "History" section. It is available at User:Farside6 for comments and additions. If there are no objections, I will replace the current history section with the new text after 12:01 p.m. EST Monday, December 25, 2006. Farside6
 * Wow, that's awesome. Feel free to put it into the main article sooner if you wish. <b style="color:#22AA00;">Zsinj</b><sup style="color:#888888;">Talk 16:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

GA
I ran across this article and saw that it was a GA nominee. According to WP:MOS, headings should not start with "the" and only the first word of section headings should be capitalized unless it is a proper noun. According to WP:FN, footnotes should follow punctuation with no space. After some cleanup, it strikes me as a "good article."

If you plan to submit this to WP:FAC someday, the lead will need to be longer, probably three paragraphs summarizing the entire article. Also, avoid using inline links and footnotes together. (I've removed one inline link and converted another to a footnote.) The "Costs" section is rather short and might be expanded, or merged with another section like degrees. The residence hall sections are a bit detailed and sound like a recruitment brochure, and might be summarized/reduced further. Gimmetrow 03:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Pictures
What buildings do you all think would be good? If you can make me a list I'll go ahead and get some pics soon. Longbowe 08:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Given the, shall I say, damaged look of the DB campus at the moment, we can hold off on those for now. I'd love to find someone at Prescott to upload some pictures though. Those sections are lacking. :-( <b style="color:#22AA00;">Zsinj</b><sup style="color:#888888;">Talk 05:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to ask around at work to see if I can find any. Longbowe (talk) 02:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll also try to get some pics of the CoB this weekend and get some info on that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Longbowe (talk • contribs) 02:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks SineBot... Also I got some Prescott pics that I'll put up. I added Apollo Hall and CoB tonight. Please change the CoB description to something better. 72.189.68.17 (talk) 04:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Greek Life?
Are there any greek organizations on campus? --Stingray23464 01:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There are a number of fraternities, sororities and honor societies, yes. Daytona Beach fraternities would be Alpha Eta Rho, Delta Chi, Kappa Alpha Psi, Lambda Chi Alpha, Sigma Alpha Epsilon, Sigma Chi, Sigma Pi, Phi Delta Theta and Pi Kappa Alpha. The sororities are Theta Phi Alpha, Alpha Xi Delta and Sigma Sigma Sigma. Notable greek honor societies include Omicron Delta Kappa. I originally didn't include this information because of length, and the information is readily available from each campus's department of student activities. Farside6 15:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

picture
--84.137.17.189 do you want to use this picture for the article? (talk) 21:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally I don't see a need just yet, mostly we need pictures of Prescott, but I am sure if anyone wants to use it they will get to you on it. Thank you for your contribution! 72.189.68.17 (talk) 03:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Riddle Vision
The definition of "Riddle Vision" in the Daytona Beach Student Life section should be removed. The content is unencyclopedic trivia, and sources urbandictionary.com, a site where anyone can post information. See Wikipedia: Reliable Sources, Wikipedia: Verifiability and Wikipedia: What Wikipedia is not

verify
There is information on the Daytona Beach page that isn't verified in the least and uses the ERAU website as a source. Please verify information in this article. I know for a fact that some of it is inaccurate... wiki should be objective, not an advertisement. Also, it may be worth while to get a list of former presidents of the school.

Seconded, this article reads like an advertisement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:A51F:F03E:8035:A8DD:1966:FBF9 (talk) 05:57, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Page Split
I support splitting each campus into a new article because: Farside6 (talk) 17:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The current article is too long (approaching 60K and over 8,000 words)
 * It will foster growth in each article
 * It will improve the likelihood that this article can be made a featured article

I'm for separating these. Do we have any wikipeople at Prescott yet? Longbowe (talk) 05:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not that I could find. But I think eventually someone from Prescott will add substantial content. If we split the residential campuses, shouldn't we also make an article Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Worldwide? Farside6 (talk) 12:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like good reasoning to me. Perhaps Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Daytona Beach, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Prescott, and Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Worldwide? Other universities with multiple campuses are also split by campus in this way. <b style="color:#22AA00;">Zsinj</b><sup style="color:#888888;">Talk 07:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Done Now all of this needs some help. My assessment thus far.

Farside6 (talk) 20:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is still a Good Article. The sections left over form the splits need to be improved.
 * Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Daytona Beach is certainly B-class, and could probably pass a good article review with a little more work.
 * Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Prescott is start class, and is very close to B-class.
 * Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Worldwide is a stub and needs a lot of love.

I could probably get some pictures of some Worldwide campuses this summer and some information as well in August. I'll start on that. As far as Daytona Beach goes, I'll see what I can do. Longbowe (talk) 15:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

The Wichita, KS article links to Embry-Riddle. Is there a campus there too? 192.122.237.11 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC).

Peer Review?
Just wondering what the rest of you think about submitting the main article for peer review. Since you split off a lot of the details into the individual campus articles, I think it'd be good to have some outside input as to what still needs to be added and where we could improve the quality as a whole. Ideas? <b style="color:#22AA00;">Zsinj</b><sup style="color:#888888;">Talk 02:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that would be a wonderful idea. Anything that could help us make this a better article should be taken advantage of. Longbowe (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Current Logo
The current logo doesn't seem to be appropriate. Something like this or this would better represent the university, specially the Daytona campus. If necessary, I could attain the logos from them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Draemora (talk • contribs) 10:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I have uploaded a high-resolution modern logo. Sean Scheiderer (talk) 02:11, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

March 2011
I went ahead and knocked out a lot of the stuff that was brought up in the GA reassessment today. Things like paragraphs that are too short (Writing better articles), citations that are out of date (Checklinks on the toolserver), and the Notable Alumni section (needs content, take it from the "main" article) still need to be addressed. I'll keep working on it, I just wanted to give everyone a heads up as to what I've been doing. <b style="color:#22AA00;">Zsinj</b><sup style="color:#888888;">Talk 16:52, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Prestigious and the like
There has been a spate of edit warring to add terms of praise such as "prestigious". WP:PEACOCK applies to this. In particular, "Instead of making unprovable proclamations about a subject's importance, use facts and attribution to demonstrate that importance". Instead of announcing prestigiousness, the facts that lead to people considering an institution prestigious need to be stated and documented. I'm not removing these words from articles because I consider them false, but because they're not appropriate. In the edit war here, references have been cited in edit summaries: this is pointless, they need to be in the article, and to support what is being said (and not be dead references). Again: by deleting the word I am not trying to assert that the subject is not in itself prestigious, but that the use of the word is inappropriate. (I don't have any personal opinion on whether the subject actually is or is not prestigious; it's not the point.) Anything added to an article by someone who knows the subject, without citing references, is considered to be Original Research and is not appropriate - the undocumented opinion of a teacher at the institution is not verifiable, however accurate it may be. In point of fact, that Time magazine called it "The Harvard of the Sky" goes a long way to asserting prestige, and is properly cited. Pol098 (talk) 01:31, 2 July 2011 (UTC

"Embry-Riddle Keeps Top Spot in U.S. News & World Report's Best College Rankings for Ninth Year in a Row." (2011): 1,2. Web. 2 Jul 2011. <http://www.amtonline.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=6237&pageNum=1>. What Harvard is to law, Embry Riddle is to Aviation and Aerospace Engineering.The FACT its Ranked number #1 in the world, not US, but the world and accepted by its community and peers to be a Prestigious University should be more than enough to reflect a world such as "Prestigious" to this article. If Harvard is considered prestigious on Wikipedia so is Embry. Until you can prove otherwise, please stop Vandalizing Embrys Wikipedia page. The Ref. to this will be cited by the end of the weekend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGodfather1987 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 2 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Now that some references are available I've modified the article, introducing a Rankings section. Note that the reference given is "America's Best Colleges"; I haven't found any reference for its being world number 1, though it may well be. The point here, as I keep saying, is that if it's "ranked number one" in a published list, you say and cite that fact, rather than deciding and saying that it is consequently prestigious. Anyone or anything can be called prestigious, it actually means little; ranking number one is reasonably factual (depending upon who does the ranking, etc...). The article on Harvard cites two references to support that it is considered prestigious. (added later) A previous entry here says "Until you can prove otherwise" [stop removing "prestigious"]—this totally misses the point. As I said before, I am not asserting that the subject is not, in fact, prestigious, but that anything in an article must be based on published sources. The correct thing to say according to Wikipedia's guidelines is "until you can document that it is prestigious, stop using the word". Pol098 (talk) 15:35, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Here you go, ref. to it being the best in the world, sorry i dont have much time to completely discuss my point at this time. http://www.erau.edu/about/l-about.html http://www.erau.edu/er/newsmedia/newsreleases/2009/usnews.html In these ref. you can find multiple accreditation facts and figures showing Embry Riddle being the Best University in Aviation and Aerospace Engineering in the world. I personally do not have the time this weekend to completely revise the article but i will give it a shot later. Ref. to it being Prestigious....please revise the article according to this ref. http://www.erau.edu/about/fast-facts.html "Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is the world's oldest, largest, and most prestigious university specializing in aviation and aerospace. It is the only accredited, aviation-oriented university in the world." I will add this note to the beginning of the Embry Riddle Article once i muster enough time this weekend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGodfather1987 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The websites which do, indeed, say that ERAU is the best in the world are ERAU websites advertising themselves, and not reliable sources. See WP:Reliable. Pol098 (talk) 22:21, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Now you are just being ridicoulse, the things that i said will go onto the article with the correct ref. and if you do change it you will be reported for vandalism and here are more references, it seems to me you have a personal grudge on this subject. http://www.bestaviation.net/school/embry_riddle_aeronautical_university/ http://www.universityparent.com/erau/2009/07/29/about-embry-riddle http://www.usnewsuniversitydirectory.com/USNewsSchoolInfo.aspx?rid=9&cid=1&schoolid=1479 I can show you dozen more references which back up what i am saying about Embry....please find something else to do.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGodfather1987 (talk • contribs) 22:29, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This seems to be getting personal: "it seems to me you have a personal grudge on this subject". In point of fact I tend personally to agree that ERAU is prestigious as a specialised institution from what I've seen (I have no personal knowledge). However, it's necessary to state referenced facts in an encyclopaedia article as discussed ad nauseam above. "...if you do change it you will be reported for vandalism" yes yes yes, please do that immediately without delay, bring this to wider attention. Adding more and more references which simply copy statements from the ERAU website doesn't make the references reliable. Incidentally, a few other people have reverted the bald statements of "prestigious" and the like in the past. Pol098 (talk) 23:40, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Don't you think if everyone else agrees with the statements posted on ERAUs site and claims, its reliable? This will continue till a moderator setps in. Since i have delegated several references on this matter i will post this as stated "Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is the world's oldest, largest, and most prestigious university specializing in aviation and aerospace. It is the only accredited, aviation-oriented university in the world." and i will reference it. After i have posted references which you are not in position to question because you are not an expert on the matter nor have you done any kind of research with it, mind i quote you "(I have no personal knowledge)", i will report this incident. And come up with your own argument about a grudge don't copy me. Under these circumstances Wikipedia's position is to inform the reader of what the subject is, what better source is there than the subjects own definition, which has been accepted by everyone except you. "Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is the world's oldest, largest, and most prestigious university specializing in aviation and aerospace. It is the only accredited, aviation-oriented university in the world." 01:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGodfather1987 (talk • contribs) Just look at the title of this reference "FACTS" http://www.erau.edu/about/fast-facts.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGodfather1987 (talk • contribs) 01:24, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As it seems "The Godfather" might be right with this one, i read through several references he posted and i cant argue the fact that the best place in this matter to find out about a subject is the subject it self, and i tried cross referencing his claim "Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is the world's oldest, largest, and most prestigious university specializing in aviation and aerospace. It is the only accredited, aviation-oriented university in the world." and could not find a valid opposition. In my opinion this is right, however i personally am not associated with this university. Jao234 (talk) 01:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally I consider the following text or similar to be totally inappropriate for any encyclopaedia article on any subject: "... ERAU is the world's oldest, largest, and most prestigious university specializing in aviation and aerospace engineering." I'm not going to keep on correcting this, but I see (from edits made rather than discussion here) that others agree with me. The article already quotes far too much praise from not particularly reliable sources (often quoted verbatim from an ERAU publication). As I've said several times, I'm not trying to criticise ERAU itself (I don't have the information to make any informed comments); but to praise it in fulsome terms without totally independent WP:reliable sources does the institution no favours. Pol098 (talk) 19:43, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * From what i have observed you and the godfather have a situation here, and i viewed the history of this article the only person who saw it your way was Jao234, who openly agreed with The Godfather on this, i have also checked the references posted by him and they all seem to be right, whether its reliable or not is not your concern a you have stated you are not an expert on this therefore the references are more credible than you are at this point.  I personally know Embry Riddle and i reside in Europe, its the Best University specializing in Aviation and Aerospace Engineering in the world. Its not even easy to get into, i am sorry Pol but i do not agree with you, until you disprove his claim. Thank You. Tupac84 (talk) 20:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that someone else reinstated that fluff, and it's not going to stay. There is no apology for such terminology in the lead, and the lack of an independent reference makes it even more damning. Pol098 is correct, no matter how many new editors, involved editors, SPAs, and what not come out of the woodwork. Drmies (talk) 20:46, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I've notified the wider community of the issues here, including accusations of dishonesty by a multitude of apparent SPAs. Please see Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. Drmies (talk) 20:55, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What was said at this article was not done by "SPA's" another reference to the wording of the article, by a leading Job Hunt Company!! You have been shown multiple references to this. http://www.universities.com/edu/Associate_degree_in_Professional_Aeronautics_at_Embry_Riddle_Aeronautical_University_Worldwide.html Jao234 (talk) 21:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ...which raises WP:COPYVIO questions, given the nearly word-for-word copying of the original text. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 21:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I've blocked all the SPA/socks that have popped up. I'll leave the page semi-protected to deal with their ips. Toddst1 (talk) 02:27, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Accreditation
Before a recent dispute on peacock terms, I deleted a long list of accreditations, mostly unreferenced, as too much detail and unreferenced anyway. I list the unreferenced list of accreditations here in case anyone wants to reference and reinstate them. Personally I would tend to say that there are several accreditations, with references, rather than list them - too much detail. But I have no objection to the details being reinstated if referenced. Text deleted some time ago, for reference: The university is fully accredited by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools to award degrees at the residential campuses (Daytona Beach, FL and Prescott, AZ)and through Embry-Riddle Worldwide at the associate, bachelor, master, and doctoral levels. The engineering programs are accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET). The bachelor degree programs in Aeronautical Science, Air Traffic Management, Aviation Maintenance, Applied Meteorology, and Aviation Forensics & Occupational Safety are accredited by the Aviation Accreditation Board, International (AABI).The bachelor degree programs in Business Administration and the MBA in Aviation program are accredited by the Association of Collegiate Business Schools and Programs (ACBSP). The flight training programs and certificate programs in Aviation Maintenance Technology (airframe, powerplant, and airframe and powerplant) are certified by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). Pol098 (talk) 11:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I have restored (with some updating) the accreditations above, with citations, as rightly suggested. While voluminous, the exhaustive specifics are important to legitimacy of the institution and its various programs. Sean Scheiderer (talk) 05:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Ranking
The rankings section, alleging this for-profit college was #1 at aerospace schools lacking a phd was meaningless. There are 3 schools competing in that category - 2 of them are this school. Allowing such puffery to last is a joke. I've excised it. Carte Rouge (talk) 15:16, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

While I agree with your contention above concerning puffery, ERAU is nonetheless non-profit, in that it is a tax-exempt educational institution organized under IRS Sec. 501(c)(3) and Sec. 509(a). http://www.erau.edu/about/fast-facts.html Sean Scheiderer (talk) 13:08, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Updated this section to reflect 2017 (US news) and 2016 (Forbes) rankings. ClueBot flagged it as SPAM. Unable to report as false positive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.49.83 (talk) 20:48, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Merge?
ERAU's website says, "Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University — including the Daytona Beach Campus, the Prescott Campus and the Worldwide Campus — is accredited by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges…" That means that the three campuses (Florida, Arizona and online) are part of Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, not separate entities and there should be only one wikipedia article, not four as there is now.

These three wikipedia articles should all be merged into Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University: Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Worldwide <Br> Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University, Daytona Beach Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University, Prescott

http://worldwide.erau.edu/about-worldwide/accreditation/index.html 208.105.78.10 (talk) 20:49, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

After discussion on its talk page, I have merged the separate article for ERAU Worldwide into the the main ERAU article. Sean Scheiderer (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Updating Content for University
I'd like to update and expand the content for the University. There is much left out in regards to campus information, history, student life, housing and residence life, and athletics.

I tried to update the page, but was flagged as being unconstructive? The information is verifiable and pulled from the university website.

I'm new to Wikipedia and am not sure how to go about with the content upgrades?

Thank you!

ERAU WIKI (talk) 18:47, 20 March 2014 (UTC)ERAU Wiki 20 March 2014


 * i'd suggest the following proceeding:
 * do not update your own content, you have a conflict of interest.
 * do register a personal user. either clear name or some name. but not company name like "ERAU WIKI"
 * do propose the change on the talk page. others will then judge it and edit the article.
 * please be aware wikipedia is not a marketing tool, i.e. people write about you. and not you write what you think people should read about you (use your own website to do this).
 * this also means: wikipedia is not there for copying information from your website, you can write whatever you want there. the information needs to be verifyable.
 * this also means: if nobody than yourself writes about you, then you are not notable, and the article should be deleted.
 * and _if_ you really need to link then to a stable link. but your website does not even have this. example: you link to http://news.erau.edu/media-resources/facts-figures/enrollment/index.html which is a constantly changing and currently not even reachable link.
 * --ThurnerRupert (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Information Updates
A number of the (since removed) statistics on this page are badly out-of-date. Even the most current official statistics are a bit outdated (Fall 2012), but giving those (with their dates) seems like a better idea than having no statistics at all. Here are enrollment and faculty statistics from a variety of sources:

The university :


 * Daytona Beach - 4,534 undergraduate and 586 graduate students (Fall 2012), 392 faculty (2012-2013)
 * Prescott - 1,678 undergraduate and 46 graduate students (Fall 2012), 136 faculty (2012-2013)
 * Worldwide - 16,479 undergraduate and 7,759 graduate students (Fall 2011 - Summer 2012), 2,711 faculty (2012-2013)
 * Total - 31,820 students (Fall 2011 - Summer 2012)

The Carnegie Foundation (Their new website does not make for nice links, but hopefully works.):


 * Daytona Beach - 4,959 students (2010)
 * Prescott - 1,672 students (2010)
 * Worldwide - 15,249 students (2010)

The US Department of Education


 * Daytona Beach - 4,534 undergraduate and 586 graduate students (Fall 2012), 315 faculty (Fall 2012)
 * Prescott - 1,678 undergraduate and 46 graduate students (Fall 2012), 104 faculty (Fall 2012)
 * Worldwide - 10,435 undergraduate and 5,127 graduate students (Fall 2012), 830 faculty (Fall 2012)

I would be inclined not to use the Carnegie Foundation, as their data are older. The university uses different calculation methods for faculty and for the worldwide campus than the Dept. of Education does - the university method seems more appropriate for counting the part-time students comparably to the residential students, but the government method has the advantage of consistency across all campuses and can better support realistic faculty/student ratio calculations. My inclination would be to use the government numbers, particularly since the calculation method mismatch between faculty and students in the university's statistics makes the faculty/student ratio look better than it may actually be. 121.98.124.75 (talk) 11:44, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * i'd also use the government numbers. thanks for digging these out! --ThurnerRupert (talk) 05:09, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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