Talk:Emergence

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Emergence is not that complicated
About the mathematical proof of the emergence. can not any closed figure be used as a simpler proof??

I mean, you can make a circle of bend lines, and only when all the lines are put into place the emergence shows.

Mistake
From just a reader

"Constructal law – Romanian-American professor"

Seems wrong. Sorry I have no time/expertise to fix it. 46.253.188.161 (talk) 14:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

About strong emergency
The sentence: "Strong emergence describes the direct causal action of a high-level system on its components" suggests that there is always "downward causation" (probably influenced by Jaegwon Kim's argument about the "overdetermination" of the mental over the physical domain, if you consider the mental as strongly emergent). However, that is not true: you can say that the properties of a strongly emergent phenomenon supervene on the properties of its building blocks (just as the properties of a water molecule supervene on the properties of its building blocks: hydrogen and oxygen atoms). But that is not the same as the other way round: "downward causation", where the water molecule is supposed to change the properties of its building blocks. Moreover, "downward causation" is never a direct reversal of cause and effect, but always via a detour - that is normally called "feedback".

Moreover, the question is whether you can even consider the mental domain as a complex system as a case of strong emergence. I propose to change this.

Ypan1944 (talk) 15:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


 * As always, this will be a matter of checking what the best sources say about the matter, and following what they say as strictly as possible without close paraphrasing. Generalrelative (talk) 17:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Philip Ball article on emergence in Quanta magazine
Peaceray (talk) 00:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)