Talk:Emil Telmányi

Who is s/he?
This article doesn't state who Emil Telmányi is: e.g. Emil Telmányi is an accomplished musician and inventor. For goodness sakes, it doesn't even mention whether Emil is male or female! Can someone who is familiar with this person add this information? I tried Google, but it gave this article as the best reference! &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 21:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I only just found this message but I expanded this article last March. There certainly isn't much on the internet about him. Does anyone know of any good print sources? Graham 87 05:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Bach bow?
From the New Grove, David D. Boyden "Bow": "In the 20th century a so-called Bach bow was created to play the Bach solo violin sonatas and partitas ‘precisely as written’. This goal was based on the misconception that the chords in these works were intended to be sustained as written. The existence of a highly arched bow on which the hair could be loosened and tightened was postulated by Arnold Schering and Albert Schweitzer at the beginning of the century and such a bow was built by Rolf Schröder in 1933."

Also from the New Grove, Peter Walls, "Multiple Stopping": "The idea that the convex bow sticks of the Baroque period facilitated the playing of chords as chords (an idea promoted by the advocates of the unhistorical ‘Bach bow’; see Bow, §I, 6) is a myth. If anything, early bows (which are lighter and have a greater separation between hair and stick at the frog) encourage the spreading of chords and, in comparison to the Tourte bow, are not so tolerant of the kind of force required to make more than two strings sound simultaneously."

Several problems here: 1) If the Bach bow was "postulated by Arnold Schering and Albert Schweitzer...and...built by Rolf Schröder", how could it have been invented by Telmanyi? 2) If the bow was "based on [a] misconception", the article needs to point this out. 3) The article needs to distinguish the Bach bow from historical Baroque bows. TheScotch (talk) 06:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. I've removed the inventor claim, which is a holdover from [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emil_Telm%C3%A1nyi&oldid=3690552 the very first edit to the article]. Re: the Grove citations, are you citing Grove Online? If so, feel free to add whichever text you wish using the GroveOnline template, or any of the other templates linked from there if they're applicable. I don't have access to any Grove dictionary in any form, and I'm not really in a position to make any substantial edits to the article right now (see my user page). Graham 87 10:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The above quotations are from the online version of Grove, but I also have access to the latest edition of the print version (when I get around to it). I just looked at the Grove-online Telmanyi entry (why didn't I think of this before?), which says that Telmanyi "[brought] about the construction of the 'Vega' bow," maybe a particular kind of Bach bow or in any case seemingly related. This jibes with the article as it currently reads (after your edit), but there's more information here, some of which the article might use. TheScotch (talk) 23:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Feel free to add the info if you like. The online version of Grove would be fine to use as a source. Graham 87 15:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)