Talk:Emile Griffith

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Griffith did what no other man had done he killed a man on tv infront of millions and got away with it

Griffith -- Champ
The death of Benny "The Kid" Paret, of course, was a very unfortunate occurrence that traumatized the boxing world as well as Emile Griffith. Nevertheless, it is also important for boxing historians and afixcionados to remember the career and accomplishments of Emile Griffith, a real winner, phenomenal champion, and great boxer. His career cannot be encapsulated by this event.

rm LGBT cat
Since Griffith himself is a little vague on the subject, I've removed him from the LGBT people from the United States category. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

random comment
All tedious and stupid - Emile fought most of his career without boxing people going on about his sexuality and the Paret tragedy - now people who only know him because of the recent documentary are 'experts' and moralists...

-- "I keep thinking how strange it is: I kill a man and most people understand and forgive me. However, I love a man, and to so many people this is an unforgivable sin; this makes me an evil person. So though I never went to jail, I have been in prison all my life." - Emile Griffith

Hardly sounds the man himself thinks either subject is tedious and stupid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.64.24 (talk) 18:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Not sure about this line
Quote: Paret was the first of only two people ever to be killed at the hands of another on live, over-the-air, national television, the other occurring just a year and a half later with the slaying of Lee Harvey Oswald by Jack Ruby on November 24, 1963.

Paret wasn't the only person to be "killed" on live television; he wasn't even the only boxer--the Ray Mancini-Duk Koo Kim fight was also live, as I recall. Plus, he didn't die in the ring, so is it accurate to say that he was "killed on live television"? Any thoughts?Mcglotda (talk) 05:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Dennis


 * I noticed the same thing and agree. There are several examples of this. Look through the talk page and you'll see several examples of the emotion this fight evokes in people, even half a century later. It's that emotion that drove that the quote you linked above but I agree that it's factually inaccurate. 208.71.235.4 (talk) 16:45, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Gay sportspeople category
He's listed in the Gay sportspeople category, yet from the referenced comment in the article, he sounds more bi than gay. Does that category cover bi people as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.143.2.238 (talk) 09:42, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

How early was prior insult widely known?
I recall someone talking about such an insult and boxing death, within a few years after (or before!) the date of that fight, so i would bet that SI covered the story including either the word "maricón" or a phrase like "Spanish gutter slang for homosexual" within a week following the event, and not first in '05. --Jerzy•t 22:59, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * A GoogleBooks search for
 * maricon griffith turnbuckle OR ropes
 * produced, inter alia,


 * 1) a snippet from Newsweek - Volume 59, Issues 14-26 (issue and page not ID'd, but year of publication stated as "1962"), and
 * 2) two lines from page 132 of ''TV Book - The Ultimate Television Book" by Judy Fireman, 1972, reading
 * (apparently as a heading giving the title and author of one selection included in the book)
 * "The Griffith-Paret Fight" and "David Trainer"
 * (tho not, without paying Google, what we want for refs), and someone's local libraries will have the complete items or microforms. Likewise
 * maricon griffith paret
 * produced 3 pages (pp. 54-6) of mostly text from Jet, Apr 19, 1962, including
 * Impartial sources have established that Paret called Griffith some unpleasant names, among them maricon, Spanish slang for a homosexual.
 * Perhaps none of these are adequate sources for what happened at weigh-in and fight, but they should suffice to establish as absurd the article's present insinuation that Griffiths' 2005 version broke completely new ground.
 * --Jerzy•t 01:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Joe Frank covered the fight in his NPR show (with some factual liberties taken in places) back in 1978 and included the substance of the accusation but not the slur itself. The story's general outlines appear to have been widely known in the boxing community long before 2005. 208.71.235.4 (talk) 16:48, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

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