Talk:Emin Pasha Relief Expedition

Great to see this well-written entry on this important expedition! Nice work! Morten 20:19, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Iain Smith's book was a great source. Reminds me I have scans of some of the pictures from Stanley's book, need to upload them for illustration. Stan 22:00, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Already an excellent entry, I added a few details on the participating European officers. I also think the article might do well with a map. I read Iain R Smiths book (even read it several times), I think it is a fabulous piece of history-writing! I did a paper on this expedition during my studies, and am not quite finished with it yet.


 * The only thing I can think of could make this entry even better, which I miss, is some perspective on the reference to Gordon and his fate at Khartoum, since it strikes me as 'the bigger picture', and where this expedition, with all its own dramatic events and history, becomes a piece in the history of European nations engaging in the 'Scramble' - where African ventures would no longer be 'expeditions' but military operations, drawing lines on a map, on a dark continent in need of 'enlightenment'. - And all these events being tied up again in the knot of the battle of Omdurman in 1898, where a full blown British army engages and massacres the fanatical moslem forces, which in the first place, little more than a decade earlier, had slain Charles Gordon. Morten 22:17, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Anyone who knows more about Surgeon-General Thomas Heazle Parke, please have at it! Ben-w 11:26, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I am afraid I do not know much else than what I have been able to pick up during my studies of the Emin Pasha expedition. Stanley needed a surgeon and linked up with Parke in Egypt, while underway to Zanzibar - and Parke proved to be an excellent choice - on several occasions he saved both Stanley's and several of the expedition officers' lives. You should get Iain R. Smiths book on the expedition, it's an excellent source - but will either way probably help you only a little more with regard to Parke's life. --Morten 00:07, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Addition to the Bibliography
I notice that the bibliography for this article does not mention "The Story of the Rear Column of the Emin Pasha Relief Expedition" (1891) which contains the letters and diaries of James Jameson as edited by his wife. Various copies can be found on archive.org, including: "http://www.archive.org/details/storyofrearcolum00jame". 42.241.10.7 (talk) 09:34, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

After looking further through archive.org, I've found that other expedition members also kept diaries & wrote letters which afterwards got published, one of which may be of use for the user who wanted more info about Parke.

Thomas Heazle Parke published his journals of the expedition, as "My Personal Experiences in Equatorial Africa, as Medical Officer of the Emin Pasha Relief Expedition" (1891). See: "http://www.archive.org/details/mypersonalexperi01park", while Barttelot's elder brother did the same for his sibling's letters and diaries which Jameson's widow did for her husband's, publishing them as "The Life of Edmund Musgrave Barttelot, Captain and Brevet-Major Royal Fusiliers, Commander of the Rear Column of the Emin Pasha Relief Expedition; being an Account of his Services for the Relief of Kandahar, of Gordon, and of Emin, From his Letters and Diary" (1890). See: "http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924028752875".

By the way, I note that Barttelot's brother takes aim at both Stanley and Stanley's "In Darkest Africa" in his Introductory Chapter, accusing the latter (p3) of "being misleading on so many points that it became necessary to warn the public of its character".

Other works about the expedition, including one based on Stanley's letters by a J. Scott Keltie of the Royal Geographical Society, can also be found on archive.org. 42.241.107.131 (talk) 11:27, 12 April 2012 (UTC)