Talk:Eminem/Archive 4

Family
One of the users gave this URL so this would be ok for the family section... [] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elif4ziggan (talk • contribs) 08:02, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

Flint, Michigan?
I thought, he was from Detroit! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.183.213.205 (talk) 10:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC).


 * He is not from Flint. Someone vandalized the page.  Disappointingly, the vandalism (which occurred on March 24) survived nearly three weeks - I just corrected it now. Funnyhat 17:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Trivia Section
Whats the Bullshhh about eminem:
 * Eminem owns a house in Rapid City, Mi on Torch Lake. Which is the third most beautiful lake in the world.(other people might judge the lake to be ugly you know!!)
 * In the novel Be More Chill, Eminem is said to have died in a street-hockey accident.(??) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elif4ziggan (talk • contribs) 08:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

As per the guidelines on trivia sections, I have eliminated the section and integrated content where appropriate. Any comments?--Aaronhumes 18:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok....................HOW MANY TIMES DOES THE PICTURE GO !?!?!?
WHY DOES THE PICTURE KEEP DISSAPPEARING!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elif4ziggan (talk • contribs) 09:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

About.com
I've noticed that someone has been cruising through many rappers wikipedia pages and adding their position on About.com's 50 greatest rappers list. This shouldn't be listed because it is not a major website or anything like that. If you're going to put his position on that list, then you should put his position on MTV's 10 greatest MC's, MTV 2's 22 Greatest MC's, VH1's 50 greatest Rappers, and Rolling Stone's list of Immortals. I can understand that because those are all huge publications but About.com is not ligit or important enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.219.110.74 (talk) 20:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

the articles on about.com on 50 greatest rappers, 10 greatest albums and BS like that are all written by one person and are their opinion.

Criticism of other artists : undisputed winner?
Please provide a more neutral point of view or give a source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.240.137.140 (talk) 23:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC). He didn't even diss royce da 5'9 for a start.

Other names/Nick names
Shouldnt Ken Kannif be added??Elif4ziggan 06:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

What about Dennis Pennis?

Height
Let's add a height for every rap artist just like on the Dr.Dre page.-User:Elif4ziggan

we don't know the height of every rapper. The only reason we know Dre's is because he has said it on several songs.

Should we add an early life section??
Early life section would be good.Elif4ziggan 06:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Criticism of other artists : undisputed winner?
read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.240.137.140 (talk) 23:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

New Album
Has anyone got any information on his 5th studio album?Hurricaneshady 07:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Some people associated with Eminem have said its coming out (Cashis, 50 Cent, Kuniva) and several sites said its coming out. No information at all has been released about it though. SlimShady6135 03:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Is he the gretest of all time (eminem)
as we he rocks us the streets and the citys. but is he the best rocker out of them all 50 dr.dreetc. we'l let u gay people decide —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.82.183.148 (talk) 12:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

Criticism of Eminem by Chuck D of Public Enemy(in quotes)
[] "Eminem is the new (Elvis Presley' ) because, number one, he has the respect for black music that Elvis had. I think he's courteous and sympathetic to black music and, unfortunately, he's more sympathetic to black music than many black artists themselves."Hurricaneshady 10:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC) Somebody Please Add this.Hurricaneshady 10:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Rakim (the GOD MC) saying that ``If Eminem was black, he would be the next Muhammad Ali´´, a reference that Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTfaQpBZWZk

And he was named the 9th greatest rapper of all time on mtv´s list of the greatest rappers of all time.

He was also named number 3 on mtv 2's 22 Greatest MC's of the past 22 years and number 3 on vh1's 50 greatest rappers of all time.

Can i have the URL for the MTV 2's 22Greatest Mc's list??Hurricaneshady 03:29, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

how is that criticism towards Eminem? That is giving props to eminem and at the same time saying black artists need to be more sympathetic to black music.

Remarriage and second divorce
Shouldnt we convert it into a "personal life" section cause it has the stuff about mariah and britanny.Hurricaneshady 07:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Allegations of homophobia
Why not include an active link for GLAAD's page with lyrics from The Marshall Mathers LP? The link is . AmateurMe 15:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)AmateurMeAmateurMe 15:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Eminem's child photo
Can anybody find a this kind of thing if yes it would be great —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4frans4 (talk • contribs) 16:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

I have one,go here:[]. If people agree,we can put the first pic from the top or the second with his mom(but that would be too personal).Hurricaneshady 03:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Somebody Please Upload a better picture
Its Horribily blurry and there are many free images on the net.CHANGE IT PLEASE.Hurricaneshady 04:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Shady Ltd
Why is there no information about this clothing line Shady Ltd http://www.shadyltd.com/.--Peterm1991 20:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Should we create a section called "business ventures" or "clothing line"?Nice idea huh?Hurricaneshady 05:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

childhood pic
can we post a pic of em when he was a child —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4frans4 (talk • contribs) 12:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC). --Frans Adiesha 13:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

asociated acts
No nate dogg Xzibit How many tracks he have done with nate dogg and how many tracks he have done with stat quo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4frans4 (talk • contribs) 13:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC). --Frans Adiesha 13:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Learn your grammar first and maybe I'll tell you lol, jks. Well, Eminem featured in quite a number of Xzibit's songs and they made a couple of songs together, videos too, including Don't approach me and Say my name Eminemfanatic 77.98.84.17 12:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

genre
His sub genre is detroit rap. --Frans Adiesha 13:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

two events in ems life
um shouldn't the incident with guerrara the bouncer (mentioned in sing for the moment) and the lawsuit with his mother (mentioned in without me) be mentioned. Both names (guerara and debbie mathers) direct here.--65.97.139.67 14:26, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

em when he was a kid (rare)
Can we post this pic please--Frans Adiesha 08:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

thumb|child eminem|300px|right|child eminem

No proper source has been given and no fair-use rationale. It's not clear to me in any case why it should be added; what does it add to an encyclopædia article? --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 20:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Mel Etitis is right.If only there was an EARLY LIFE section we could use it..Hurricaneshady 02:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

We can add it like this mentioning his child hood how he began to rap, and his life with mom,grandma. --Frans Adiesha 08:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

RIAA certification for Marshal Mathers LP
I know you would love it if eminem had a diamond (50x platinum) release, but he doesnt, its 10x. And its spelled 'platinum', not 'planitum' 151.113.255.101 09:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, SoundScan numbers prove it went Diamond. SlimShady6135 04:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Fansites
Please read guidelines and discussions before removing fansite links

"We don't provide "links to everything". That's silly. We have a guideline for meritable linking, which is this. If you have constructive comments, feel free to suggest them. Saying no linking to fasites is weird and thoughtless, and has never been the guideline. I'd encourage you to start thinking about building a better encyclopedia, not frankly bizarre black and white ideas that have nothing to do with user value and encyclopedic merit. 2005 21:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)"

^ As an example, TRshady.com has content not suitable for an encyclopedia (such as interviews, biographies, lyrics etc), but all provide further information and is relevant and sourced officially in the same way Wikipedia is. Latest news is also available direct from news sources, making the information reliable and trustworthy (more so then Wiki which is no longer seen as a useful resource by many with edits adding false information). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.154.137.31 (talk • contribs).
 * The site you want to link includes a large amount of copyright material, including lyrics and pictures, with no indication that the website has obtained permission from the copyright owner to legally distribute the material. Per WP:EL, articles cannot link to websites that violate the copyrights of others. Please also note that a) you should avoid linking to sites you own, maintain or represent, and b) the passage you quoted is a talk page comment (i.e., one editor's opinion), not an official guideline. --Muchness 07:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Copyright material is generally accepted as fansites are there to support and not profit from the artist. The view posted is a reflection of many editors views, as you'll find if you read the discussions. It's a link that was present previously but since removed, consider this a revert.

Just a few points.

Associated acts
An editor has suggested on my talk page that Xzibit and Nate Dogg should be added to the infobox "associated acts" field. The acts have collaborated and appeared together in videos. Is this sufficient to warrant inclusion in the infobox? --Muchness 02:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * He is certainly closely related to Nate Dogg, Xzibit is much more iffy but I would still consider it. Definetly going to Put Nate Dogg in associated acts unless anyone has serious objections? -- St.daniel Talk 22:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that neither Xzibit nor Nate Dogg should be included in associated acts, because they didn't work with Eminem as much as 50 Cent, for example. Also, Jay-Z should be removed from the associated acts, because they worked together on one song only. I might be wrong, though. Daniil Maslyuk 15:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Question
Why are there two "Drug use" sections? — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 08:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that the first one is related to his drug use and the second one is related to the contervorsy surrounding his drug use. It does seem unsessecary though. -- St.daniel Talk 11:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed it yesterday, i didnt see this comment though SGGH speak! 10:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Labels
Should Bassmint Productions be included in list of labels? The label even doesn't have its own page. And if it should, then years active should be changed to "1992 to present". Daniil Maslyuk 15:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

It should actually be 1988-present because Foolish Pride was made in 88. SlimShady6135 19:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

hey eminem didn't sell 75 million
yeah, eminem didn't sell 75 million albums worldwide , lotsa of eminem fans on wikipedia >.> (they are trying to make eminem look better than 2pac)

haha whos gives a crap regardles of this eminem will still outsell mr shakur in the future if he hasnt already.... woooo

He sold around 77 million albums worldwide, but that doesn't mean those figures beat 2pac's but they probly do by now :P Eminemfanatic 77.98.84.17 12:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Pulled Crossbow on Diana Ross?
My wife read somewhere that during a back stage meeting at the 2001 grammys, that Eminem whipped out a crossbow and pulled in on Diana Ross, and that a fight instantly broke out between her bodygaurds, and his "Posse" Should we put this in?

No. raining girl 12:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

What about Johnathon Ross?

Snoop Dogg
Come on people, remove Snoop Dogg from the associated acts. They only worked together on like one song (Bitch Please II). That does not mean they are associated. --- 72.142.212.28 19:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. Daniil Maslyuk 03:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't be so negatizzly wizzly - Snoop Dogg

fifth studio album
What happened to his fifth studio album article? --Frans Adiesha 16:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

It got removed because the album is not official. SlimShady6135 03:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

why you saying it's not official even 50 cent claimed --Frans Adiesha 07:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

It's coming. I read in some magazine that was on the table this morning that he has a few songs about him and Mariah Carey back in the day, and she's really pissed about it. Allegedly she's trying to get the songs in question removed from the final cut. It also mentioned the album being released this summer. R-Tiztik 18:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

New Single
Eminem is going to release a new single called "Cracka-Jack"

Got any proof? SlimShady6135 03:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes


 * First off, do not be an imbecile and sign your comments. Secondly, only a RUMORED title for Eminem's next album has been released. "Cracka-Jack" is not a single by Eminem, nor is it a song by Eminem. Please take your childish behavior elsewhere.


 * On a final note, Kon Artis posted on a D12 forum that D12 SHOULD have a single in a month (July) or two (August). If that is the case then D12's album will release before Eminem's. Do not look for an Eminem album in '07, especially when Ca$his, Stat Quo, and 50 Cent are planning on releasing their respected projects within the next six-and-a-half months.


 * Impala63 02:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

yeah i agree with Impala63. He's album will be surely on shelves 08 so let's wait--Frans Adiesha 07:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

According to an interview
Eminem admits he is is happy with gays, it's no joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHEFLLUMsdk.

Hmmm, no wonder he split up then

That isn't a real interview, ya know what I'm sayin'? SlimShady6135 23:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Its a joke.

Current Picture
The current picture of Eminem is terrible. There are much better pictures. WHy not use an official one?
 * See Fair use Nil Einne 17:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Alleged Homophia section needs quotes
Alleged Homophobia section needs to quote some of his lyrics and would also help to cite one of the high profile LGBT groups statements about same. This would add context before going into the Elton John duo performance which effectively silenced much of that criticism. Benjiboi 08:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Debbie Mathers Lawsuit
In several other articles (ie without me) i have found refrences to Eminem's Mother filing a lawsuit against him. Possibly for defamation, libel, or slander. Could someone with more knowledge include something about this.66.176.172.119 04:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

why did the eminem article became shorter?
i have read that article like 2 times and today when i was reading againg...i saw that it was shorter...and the article a month ago was all correct and long....so could some one fix it?

Too many citation requests
As of today, July 24, 2007, this article seems to be in the midst of an editing war over citation requests. My opinion is that the requests are overbroad at this point. Do we need a citation for the statement that Marshall Mathers is commonly known as Eminem? I think not. Also, each clause of a sentence does not need citation. For example, where the article says: "The song features a very strong anti-Bush message" it follows this with: "with lyrics such as 'fuck Bush'". Clearly then, the "citation needed" tag at the end of the first clause is unecessary. I have no vested interest in this page, having visited it for the first time yesterday, and I am of the opinion that the edits by User:Realist2 are vandalism. Kgwo1972 18:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I fully agree about a lot of citations not being necessary, such as the Eminem example you mentioned. I fixed it but I suspect someone will unfix it.  Dachande 19:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually i no wikipedia policy on citation tags, it is not vandalism or spam no matter how many tags are requested. If something is not sourced a tag can be asked for. furthermore did you realise under wikipedia policy that if something is not sourced it can be deleted no questions asked by any wikipedia member!! If I hated eminem I would have deleted almost the entire page because so little is sourced. In fact The tags are there to stop others deleteing the page. Take for example the intro, it has 3 citations, which means if I wanted I could delete the entire intro bar that intro!! also the part on eminems disagreements with other celebs, at least 20 people are mentioned with no citations. did you no it is a civil libious offence to say a living person has had an argument with another person without giving any proof!!! In fact no matter how common sense a claim it must still be sourced. Take eminems alter egos, i asked for a citation for this because the same has occured with michael jackson being called mj or king of pop, and the same for madonna and the like. If tags are removed you will be slapped with a vandalism disclaimer on your user page. Realist2 12:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I have removed about 7 or 8 of my tags as a little unneccsary, but the rest needes sourcing. Realist2 13:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * However Realist2, it can only be deleted if it is 1) doubtful, 2) harmful, 3) contentious. Deleting non-doubtful, non-harmful, non-contentious content IS vandalism.  Since the Header at the top of the page is Eminem I am pretty sure that we have established that Marshall Mathers is Eminem.  Additionally, you're being a bad wikipedian.  According to the policy on biographies of living persons, you shouldn't be tagging stuff you feel is unsourced and unreliable, you should be deleting it.  The rest of us are apparently willing to take for granted that M. Mathers is Eminem, but if you find it so doubtful and contentious (funny how I keep using the exact adjectives from the WikiGuidelines pages) you should be removing it.    Or you know, actually finding sources to put into the tags.  Cuz then there'd just be the little 1 character footnotes instead of the obnoxious 15 character tags.  Plus, anything you put a Citation Needed on, makes the obvious seem less correct.  But anything left untagged (until say, an upstanding member of the wikicommunity such as yourself inserts the entire citation) seems more like a given.  Now, I can appreciate your example you gave about Michael Jackson and needing a source for "the King of Pop" because someone else gave him that name and he doesn't perform, record, or distribute albums under that name, but for stage names, get off it.  Dachande 16:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I just glanced at more of the article...Now, a lot of the body may need all those citations...fine whatever, but when someone actually gets around to adding citations, please do so in a manner that minimizes the actually number of tags. Avoid tagging clauses if the entire sentence can be tagged to sources.  Right now it looks really bad to have all those "citation needed" tags floating around.  I think a better scheme is tag a sentence that needs sources anywhere in it, and then we know the whole sentence should be justified. Dachande 17:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The issue of citation needed for M. Mathers = Eminem (specifically) has been resolved. Concensus reached.  Thank you all, I am so glad we could agree on that one.  I apologize for any loss of temper I may have personally let slip.  Good faith, civility, honor, etc.  Have a good day. Dachande 17:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes I removed the tag on eminem I was only ment to do slim shady,that part was an honest mistake. I wouldnt consider deleteing anything unsourced as the article would then be VERY short an I would be accused of vandalism along the way. As for the tags on the 20 celebs names, if someone can find a single source that says eminem has fallen out with the following 20 people then it can be used and all those tags can be removed in 1 sweep. I just find it unlikely that you will find a source that has al there names. I imagine you will need a source for every individual person. Realist2 17:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I have reviewed the situation and for now have placed just 5 tags. Four of which are in the intro being a)slim Shady b)70 million worldwide c) highly acclaimed d)Grammy for album of the Year. The other tag is for the disputes with other celebs and should be taken to mean all of them not just Christopher Reeve. These tags are completely acceptable and should not be deleted, I would say the main concern is the dispute with the 20 celebs as this is potentially libilous. If it is not sourced soon it will have to be deleted. Over the comming months I will gradually introduce more tags, until it is neatened out. This is not a climb down though. This article is very poorly sourced. It is 40,000 bytes long with only 35 sources!! Michael Jacksons is 100,000 bytes with 150 sources. This is much more respectable. This issue must be sorted. Realist2 22:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

If you're so concerned about the article, why don't you find official sources instead of gradually introducing more tags? Better hurry up before wikipedia gets sued for calling Marshall Mathers Slim Shady, because that's potentially LIBELOUS!!!--YellowTapedR 23:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

As you are aware you were not successful in getting me banned, and i never said the slim shady part was libilous anyway!! it still needs sourcing though. calm down and find a source for it. Realist2 23:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't care enough, I just happened upon the article and thought it looked ridiculous. I only tried to get you banned because you were rude and erroneously threatened people with being blocked for vandalism.

And if you want to be taken seriously, you really should use spellcheck. It is "know," not "no," when you say, "Actually i no wikipedia policy on citation tags, it is not vandalism or spam no matter how many tags are requested." And it's "libelous," not "libilous."--YellowTapedR 23:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

cheap, as im half spanish and english is my second language, ignorance is bliss, you were the one silly enough to think you could block me for citation tags, have a debate but dont start throwing insults, its most unwanted. Realist2 00:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Blah, blah, blah. I didn't hurl any insults your way, I just made a suggestion. People take things way too personally. --YellowTapedR 01:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

you just insulted my spelling, i find that insulting. Realist2 10:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

that's insulting to you? honestly, tho, i still think you put way too many cite requests in that page. --L-Burna 18:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

yes when English isnt your first language and you have spent 9 years trying to perfect the language only for some ignorant person to tell you that. I was rushing so sotty my english isnt up to your standard, you cant be bothered to learn another languge so dont insult me, ignorant, ignorant. Dont worry there will be more tags in due course.Realist2 11:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

You're the one calling me an "ignorant person." Like I was supposed to know English is your second language. I was just trying to help you. If you keep writing "no" when you should say "know," it will reduce your credibility. It's a fact. --YellowTapedR 17:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Im fully aware of the difference, but when you rush you make mistakes, stop this stupidity. its boring.Realist2 21:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Eminem is back album
What about adding information about smaller eminem album releases like eminem is back, don't call me marshall, and anger management 3 mixtape? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.131.213 (talk) 02:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
This article needs a lot of cleaning up. I am going to add a 'To-Do' list which will liost all of the tasks that need to be completed to sort this article out. --The-G-Unit-Boss 11:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * here here, sources is what we need, oh but dont put tags on, because if you put too many on your accused of vandalism and he pee on his child for disrescepting him ,ha what a joke. I think the best thing is to delete anything unsourced. It is after all wiki policy. Oh no no1 wants that do they? well maybe the tags weren`t such a bad idea after all. Realist2 15:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I have added citations to thee success area, mostly around sales figures and that whole christina oral sex thing. This all needs clearing up, Realist2 18:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have been cleaning the article up loads. i.e all of the references etc, we just need people to find sources now. --The-G-Unit-Boss 19:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I will look into sources, I have read lots of stuff on him over the years and was a true fan, however ever since the whole michael jackson episode... I dont know, eminem really has let his black supports down, anyway getting back to the issue, yes Ill look into sources in time. lets get this article up to scratch, it would help if people didnt keep reverting tags. I think there should be a consensus to keep tags on rather than remove them because it looks messy, this article is at a terrible stage and im not sure if it would have been sorted if I hadnt interjected(I hope thats how you spell it). Realist2 23:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

New Picture
This picture is very blurry and i suggest a new one —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.184.103.203 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The new picture we got up there now is awsome. DurotarLord 18:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, the shitness of that picture was the first thing I noticed on viewing the article 83.147.180.185 15:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Associated Acts
Why is T.I on associated acts they only did 3 songs together...volumesoxxs 07:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC) - :Your right. Ill remove him. --The-G-Unit-Boss 12:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

New Cover Picture
If possible, can someone remove the current picture and replace it with a less-blurry one? If someone could obtain the picture shown on Eminem's album, Eminem, that would be a good replacement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iluvmesodou (talk • contribs) 08:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We can't use copyright images such as album art to illustrate living people if a free equivalent is available or could be created that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose (see WP:NFCC). The current picture is the only free image of Eminem editors have been able to locate so far. --Muchness 08:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

New pic
I uploaded a new pic to the article......hope its ok.... --Frans Adiesha 09:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey howz ma picture guys..?? brilliant, aint it? --Frans Adiesha 19:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeh, thanks for uploading it --The-G-Unit-Boss 20:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)hoogy smoogums

time is ticking
The citation needed for the disputes with the named 20 odd people has not been provided. If it is not found in the nexy week it will have to be deleted. Realist2 08:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, boss. --YellowTapedR 23:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I would hate to think your being sarcastic Realist2 10:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah because then you'd have to be digi-smacked. TheJudge310 20:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Source not found
source #10 does not exist. someone remove it please. 88.107.45.187 13:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing this. I have now removed it. --  ¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤   13:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Acting
His debut was not 8 Mile. It was in Dr. Dre/Snoop Dogg's movie Da Hip Hop Witch.
 * Look at what you're saying: "debut" means that he first appeared, and, "cameo" means that he just had a small part but is known to the people/fans - this is usually done to promote the film - and "starred" means that he has lead role. BUT starred and debut will usually go TOGETHER especially if it is eagerly anticipated.  Eminem FIRST appeared in a big budget movie but he did a cameo previously as an extra 78.144.16.30 18:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

mugshot
what the hell happened to that previous eminem picture....??--Frans Adiesha 09:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Stage name vs. given name
Is there a rule for deciding which to use? 70.135.135.25 05:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well other rappers like Akon and Dr. Dre use the stage name, so i would guess stage name. And plus its what most people know him by... EvilHom3r 00:37, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Biography has little info on his life
There is no information about his upbringing. Like being small for his age and having to defend himself through dissing lyrics. There is nothing written on his daughter Hailie or his ex-wife Kim. How he met Dr. Dre at a competition Eminem almost won. The Biography is just a chronology of his recordings.

There is a much more concise biography at [hiphoproll.com/eminem/] Jyle 07:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think we need alot more on his personal life, like i see NOTHING about his kids here. EvilHom3r 00:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

M&M
M&M = Memphis & Misraim aka. 'evil fucks anon' http://www.parareligion.ch/mm.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.184.126.251 (talk) 21:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * M&M = Marshal Mathers.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 22:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The Entire Page
Somebody screwed up this page. The entire thing is written and worded poorly. Would someone with the initiative please touch it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.211.195.159 (talk) 23:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Hailie?
Nothing on Hailie or Kim exists on this page despite the fact that when you search those two up, you end up here. Please put in some info on them here! Mapletip 04:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

stage names
does anybody know where Marshall got the stage names, SlimShady and Eminem from cause wikipedia don't say —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.35.82 (talk) 07:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

He thought up Slim Shady while taking a dump (not sure "how"). He thought up Eminem from his initials (M&M). SlimShady6135 20:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * He originally collaborated with Proof, trying to get the best 12 rappers in Detroit to form the Dirty Dozen (later, "D-12"). They couldn't find 12, but they got 6 and tried to get the "alternate personality" in order to fill out the 12.  Proof said that he was going to be Dirty Harry, and then Eminem said that he was going to use the moniker "Billy the Kid."  It was only later that, whilst taking a dump, it "just came to him" - - his nickname would be "Slim Shady."  (For reference purposes, this was all said during an interview with Cipha Sounds on the first show of "Behind the Boards" on Sirius radio.  I don't have a date/time for it, but there's a .mp3 file here:  )BFeen (talk) 20:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Eminem's racist tapes against black people and black women
such a biased wiki article done probably by a eminem stan, i mean fan. Why is there no piece of article mentioned about it? It's highly debatable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.73.40 (talk) 11:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Kyle Spratt
Shouldn't there be a mention of him on the article somewhere? SlimShady6135 03:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Doubtful, he's already received more attention then he deserves and even that wasn't much Nil Einne (talk) 12:04, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Origin of Name
Does anyone know where the screen name "Eminem" came from? Perhaps it's from a popular brand of candy. 124.106.201.225 09:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * ?! Say Marshall Mather's initials out loud. Ashmoo 16:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think he was trying to be funny dearly 16:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It was his innitials, but to avoid copywrite infringment he spelled it out 70.190.221.136 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

First sentence
Slim Shady and Eminem are both stage names and he is well known by both so the extra words were really unnecessary in the first sentence.Dawidburg 18:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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Picture
This picture is the first one we had going, and it really gives a shockingly bad view of Eminem. I can hardly see his face in that one. Does NO ONE have a better picture at all, that can be used under wikipedia's standards?

- 121.219.107.55 —Preceding comment was added at 10:02, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, the current picture is horrible.Dawidburg (talk) 06:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced statement
The following statement at the end of "Criticism of George W. Bush" seems absurd, and is unsourced:

"White America" also brought the U.S. Secret Service attention at first, but gave up after seeing a statement from Eminem after the song: "'*laughs* I'm just playing America, you know I love you'."

Virtuald 15:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Somebody take care of this Vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.166.80.20 (talk) 03:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

suggesed changes
In the section titled 'First releases', 'Insane Clown Posse' should read 'Insane Clown Posse(ICP).' so that people realise that the further references to ICP means this same band.

In the section titled 'Other projects and D12, in the paragraph begining on April 11, the word lawfully is repeated twice in the third sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.99.83.5 (talk) 11:20, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Rapcore?
Should eminem have Rapcore in his genre list? cause he has combined Rap with rock such as:Sing for the moment,Marshal mathers,etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belchey (talk • contribs) 23:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I want to initially say no, because in both mentioned songs Eminem did 0% of the rock parts. "Marshall Mathers" did not feature any rock tracks though, however Crazy in Love did. Both songs also share in common though that the band did not actively record the song with him, and he used pre-recorded samples to mix and match. I vote no for putting him in this catagory, at least for now. TheJudge310 (talk) 00:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Name??
Someone changed his name to "Balls." This should be changed back to Eminem. ~Hooswillose


 * yes, and he obviously was not born in "peter is a monster, petersville" and i dont think he is 104 years old. (he was born in 1972). Somebody should fix the information in that table. 70.21.242.13 (talk) 03:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

You know you could've reverted it yourself right? SlimShady6135 (talk) 22:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Note
Reference No. 53 is a dead link. —T-borg (T | C) 10:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 54, that is, sorry. —T-borg (T | C) 17:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Uppercase
Why are Headings letters NOT in uppercase? They are like chapters and its just proper punctuation... e.g Rise to Fame as opposed to Rise to fame ? LOTRrules (talk) 21:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Because that's just the way Wikipedia is. Rappingwonders (talk) 21:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * but its not good punctuation LOTRrules (talk) 18:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you feel this guideline should change, feel free to discuss it at the talk page for WP:STYLE, that is where it's clearly defined. -Verdatum (talk) 15:47, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Controversy section
Per Criticism, I believe that some of the info in the "Controversy" section that's in the article in this moment be integrated throughout the "Biography" section, as controversies of Eminem tend to go chronologically. For example, the controversies over homophobic/misogynistic/anti-Bush/anti-Michael Jackson lyrics could go within the "1999-2004" section, and the 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America could go in the "2005-present" section. However, I'm at fences over the "criticism from other artists" section: because the first paragraph isn't sourced, and the second one mentioning Chuck D of Public Enemy and Weird Al tend to go within 2002-2003, so I'm not sure of whether this article would be good with a short section devoted only to "criticism from other artists", or this stuff being integrated within Eminem's main biography.

I'd like to reach a consensus among editors before further action is taken. Thank you. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 00:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a reasonable idea to me. The controversies can be attributed to specific dates, so no reason to filter them off to a separate section. -Verdatum (talk) 15:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I will begin re-organizing the article as soon as I can. Other editors may help too. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 23:46, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Reformed?
Now, again the controversy section has been reformed, although i've tried integrating the controversies throughout the article. Per Criticism, which cites article structure under NPOV policy as discouraging pushing "controversial" aspects into one section. In my humble opinion, I think a "controversy" section pushes way too much attention toward Em's controversies, which should really be viewed within his main chronological bio. Wikipedia biographies of living persons should take the reader's main attention toward the person's life, not just controversies. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know how much my comment helps, but I continue to agree. Unfortunately, especially with a topic such as this, that will receive frequent edits from novice editors, it's just something that must be monitored and fixed as nonconstructive edits are made.  Hopefully though, anyone disagreeing will present their argument here before editing as recommended by guideline. -Verdatum (talk) 15:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Eminems Mother & Family
Is there a section that descrines marshalls mother? or a separate article? I can't find either. Also he seems to hate his mother as I recall he says in one of his songs:

"C'mon Debs cum on your tits, fuck that cum on your tits cum on your lips..."

- Eminem - Album: The Eminem Show Song: Without me

Sorry for being so graphic but I believe Debs refers to his mother? I mean he insults her which might suggest family conflict? I'm not so sure...But should we have a section dedicated to his mother or his ex-wife for that matter? LOTRrules (talk) 21:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

There is already a short section about his mother and ex-wife here. By the way... "...and get ready, 'cause this is about to get heavy. I just settled all my lawsuits, (F*** you Debbie!)"

- Eminem - Album: The Eminem Show Song: Without Me 122.53.102.230 (talk) 03:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You must be extremely careful when making conclusions from such references. You can't use his lyrics to determine if he's being serious, or if his opinion continues to hold; he's allowed to change his mind after all.  All these cautionary issues are covered in Biographies of living persons.  Oh also, Wikipedia is not censored.  So long as it's appropriate, and quoting lyrics certainly is, you don't need to use asterisks or apologize or anything. -Verdatum (talk) 15:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

yes, i think the personal life section needs cleaning up. where it says he hates his mother debbie is only speculation, as in some of his lyrics he mentions that he's sorry, and that he does love her. iy's hard to tell weathjer he's joking or being serious in most of his lyrics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.224.1.14 (talk) 14:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Wrestling
The source identified in the wrestling section is hardly credible. Not that it isn't true. Also, in the wrestling section, the sentence regarding the rumor being false should be verified in some fashion. --Hookedonlsd (talk) 03:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm removing the section as we speak, as this is only speculation. This is typical with wrestling articles on Wikipedia. Keep on the watchout for these sort of edits until something concrete comes out.--Raderick (talk) 04:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a crazy rumor, and I will be watching this page around the clock.-- T r U C o 9 31 1 13:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

EMINEM Wrestling
Now I am not trying to start a dead rumor. But has EMINEM ever wrestling before. On his song It's Okay Album Infinite he says "Trying to wrestle, I almost bust a blood vessel" leading me to believe he tried out to become a wrestler. I was just wondering if EMINEM ever talked about it on an Interview or some sort of reliable source explaining that lyric. 141.155.31.76 (talk) 00:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

He But then again on The Marshall Mathers LP song "Marshall Mathers" he says "And I don't wrestle I'll knock you fuckin' faggots the fuck out." So. . . do with that what you will.

Who removed so much?
I've noticed a lot of the article missing including the entire "Controversy" section. SlimShady6135 (talk) 23:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

So You Wanna Freestyle
Why no mention of this album/title yet? 77.96.240.178 (talk) 11:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Halie and Kim?
Why is their absolutly nothing about Halie or Eminem's ex on this page? DurotarLord (talk) 00:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * (Moved section to bottom, per WP Standard practice) The information was removed in this revision without explanation. If someone likes, and it is appropriate (according to WP:BLP), the revision may be undone. -Verdatum (talk) 01:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Blurry Picture
Couldn't a higher resolution picture be used at the top of the article? To be quite honest, this one looks terrible and makes the article actually seem less credible. Ch33zer (talk) 22:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This issue has been raised many times before. Feel free to find a better image that is not a copyright violation and upload it. -Verdatum (talk) 22:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Intentionally or Untentionally?
Eminem has a verse on The Game's One Blood Midwest Remix. Was it done intentionally by him or unintentionally? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.112.120.133 (talk) 23:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

That was as sample from one of his other songs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.226.74 (talk) 23:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Wrong place of origin
No matter how much Eminem wants to play it off as him being from the big city, he is not from Detroit. Origin needs to be changed to his suburban home of Warren, MI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danisdaman (talk • contribs) 06:49, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Beefs
I think there should be a heading with all his beefs in it. They made a small reference to the beef with ICP but didn't really expand upon it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.246.174.55 (talk) 14:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism :O
On the first section of the biography, theres some major vandalism. I cant edit this page so could someone please remove that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.117.237 (talk) 01:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Mysogynism
Under the "threats" to the President section, we made it clear that " "White America" also brought the U.S. Secret Service attention at first, but gave up after seeing a statement from Eminem after the song: "*laughs* I'm just playing America, you know I love you". " but in the Mysogynist second, we fail to cite the line from Kill You (Which is one of the songs cited for his alleged hate towards women), which states "[Eminem]Hahaha, I'm just playing ladies|You know I love you". I think it'd be important to add this as neutralizer towards that particular part of the article, as it would balance out what that part explicitly states. The idea is NPoV, regardless of the image that his music may have made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.11.239 (talk) 15:35, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

The Anonymous
hey in 1998 Eminem was on a record with The Anonymous called Green And Gold EP... i have the vinyl, but I'm tryna find info on it and on the group "the Anonymous" and i thought i should put it here because Eminem Associated with them.-+

Censorship of 'My Name Is...'
I am worried; why are there only about 5 websites on the whole internet that have the real lyrics to the song? Why cant i find the original version? Why does nobody seem to be aware of the fact that they are listening to the censored version?

None of these are lyrics in the song 'My Name Is...'; "My English teacher wanted to flunk me in junior high. Thanks a lot - next semester I'll be thirty-five." "Extraterestrial, running over pedestrians in a spaceship while they're screaming at me 'Lets just be friends!'" They are lyrics to the censored version, which seems to have taken over the internet. Originally it was "My english teacher wanted to fuck me in junior high. The only problem was, my english teacher was a guy." And "Extraterestrial, killing pedestrians, raping lesbians while they're screaming at me 'Lets just be friends!'"

There may be more, but i cannot recall them. There are sources on the internet, if you look hard enough, but i feel worried about trusting even them, since The Powers that Be seem so determined to dissolve the truth with their excellently fitted but false lyrics.

I'm sure this deserves at least a passing mention - we all now know that it was "Seven kids from Columbine" and nothing else, so why are the masses so ignorant to this?

Thanks, BrockFettes (talk) 15:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, the lyrics "My English teacher wanted to flunk me in junior high. Thanks a lot - next semester I'll be thirty-five." are what appeared on the "retail non censored version" of the The Slim Shady LP in the UK. (I bought it at the time, and just checked) There was also a censored version available, but I don't think anyone really buys them here. (I understand in the USA, places like walmart often only stock the totally censored version, ie the radio friendly ones). I think the "uncensored" lyrics you are referring to may have appeared on The Slim Shady EP, which preceded the LP. I actually remember at the time Eminem talking about the fact the record company made him change some things, even on the uncensored version, this was probably in his interview with Tim Westwood before the album came out, that's the only interview I remember from that time. Hulahulahulahula (talk) 01:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Stevie Wonder?
Anyone wanna tell me how a blind man like Stevie Wonder can be commenting on a video? I mean, he's blind, right?

Here's the quote discussing the Just Lose It video in the article

"Many of Jackson's supporters and friends spoke out about the video, including Stevie Wonder, who called the video "kicking a man while he's down" and "bullshit" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.9.193.237 (talk) 00:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, that Weird Al quote is in there twice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.210.168 (talk) 18:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

GA review
--  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * All done! :) Gary King ( talk )  00:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you to Gary King for getting the stuff I left at the talk page, because I have gone off and placed the article as GA. Congrats. ;) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Gangsta Rap
EMINEM IS NOT A GANGSTA RAPPER! WHOEVER KEEPS PUTTING HIS GENRE AS GANGSTA RAP ON EMINEM-RELATED ARTICLES, STOP DOING IT! HE ONLY DOES IT FEATURING IN 50 CENT SONGS-SCB &#39;92 (talk) 13:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Image
A while back there was a complaint about the quality of the picture. I've cleaned up the blotchy colours somewhat, but it's unfortunately a little blurrier. I'll let someone else decide whether to replace it on the page. http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r250/nazlfrag/eminemfinal2.png —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nazlfrag (talk • contribs) 18:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What an awful foto. Rather none at all than such a terrible cell phone shot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.57.93.31 (talk) 21:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thats a horrible photo.. Surely there are better ones.. Dillon90 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dillon90 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * To clarify, this is the same image as has been on this page for a long while, I just attempted to clean up the worst of the colour artefacts. There was a loss of fine detail though, so in the end it's still less than ideal. Nazlfrag (talk) 10:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Occultism
Recently It's been heavily speculated that Eminem's philosophical view on life is closely aligned to the Nation of Gods and Earths. This can be suppourted by earlier references in his music depicting devil worship. This can be attributed to the fact that white members of the 5% nation are classified as "righteous devils". This theory can also be suppourted by his musical influences, whom by a majority are 5%ers (Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Wu-Tang Clan, X-Clan, Nas, Jay-Z, Mobb Deep...), his collaborations with Rawkus Records, and the political/social views and subject matter in his music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.125.78.12 (talk) 16:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Eminem Youtube User
could this be eminem youtube page? http://youtube.com/user/EminemMusicRecords —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.154.35 (talk) 01:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

of course, ya eminem has a youtube account....RIIIIIGHT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.92.58 (talk) 09:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

thats not him but his company

were's info on vanilla ice in teh article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.35.239 (talk) 23:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Wrong Photo
That is not a photo of eminem on the front page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.178.133 (talk) 21:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

KING MATHERS & THE RE-UP
Why isnt there anything on the RE-UP on here it wasnt just him but the album is called EMINEM presents the re-up & why does it say fifth album they have a name for it its King Mathers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.31.189 (talk) 01:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I have da answer
I have the answer to "KING MATHERS & THE RE-UP" subject i dont think he would call it that becuz he is friend w/ T.I and as u know T.I calls him self that —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tupac Fan 123 (talk • contribs) 15:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Change the picture!
somebody plz change the picture, this one is not so good —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluefialka (talk • contribs) 16:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes the picture is horrible--77.42.207.17 (talk) 16:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You'll note in the talkpage archives for this article that this issue has been brought up numerous times before. The problem is, no one seems to be able to find a better photo that meets with Wikipedia's Image use policy.  If you have one, or can find one, by all means, submit it.  Otherwise, it doesn't really help much to ask for a better image here.  It is always the case that if someone has a better image for an article that they are urged to edit the article to include it. -Verdatum (talk) 17:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I changed it :D--N-G-50 (talk) 14:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Your effort is appreciated. Unfortunately, you replaced it with a copyrighted image.  You did not properly fill out the non-free use rational in accordance with Image use policy, and since a free image is available, I believe this also violates Non-free content criteria.  Without in the least filling out the non-free use rational, this image will be auto removed in a few days. -Verdatum (talk) 18:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You just copied it from here...real smart :| Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no  · 20:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * How strange...one would think that people would take pictures at concerts, etc. vlad§inger tlk  04:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

D12 - Obie Trice isn't a member!!!
Under the D12 section it says Eminem and fellow D12 member Obie Trice spoke at Proofs funeral. Obie Trice is not in D12. Someone who has the ability should change this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thaprototype (talk • contribs) 05:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Associated acts
It's unreasonable to keep adding rappers to that section. "Bobby Creekwater"??? Seriously? We might as well add all those from this list!! That section should contain only the acts that deeply affected his career: "Soul Intent", "D12" and perhaps "Dr. Dre". I'm removing the rest. Do U(knome)? yes...|or no  · 22:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

stop changing it back you stupid motherfucker 202.76.158.8 (talk) 08:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

controversy -- inspired murder
i'd love it if someone could edit this and add that a big fan of his, who even got the same tattoos as eminem, murdered a girl and stuffed her in a suitcase, like the lyrics to an eminem song. his violent, misogynistic lyrics have contributed to an actual murder. here's a link to the article: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/12/05/crime.eminem/

i'm new to wiki editing and want someone to do it properly :)really good rapper i'm talki'n real . I know all his songs.

24.193.45.32 (talk) 06:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)gynoidrebel+

Will Smith
If Will Smith is going to be hosting the Nelson Mandela Birthday And Eminem is going to perform does this officially end there beef?

Image on this page
It was a deleted link. I put the image from the Eminem Discography page for a temp image. Go ahead and replace it if you can find a better one. --Npnunda (talk) 00:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This image has been here for ages. What are you talking about? Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no 04:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eminem&oldid=225025464 this was the page just before my edits. It had a dead link and no picture. Someone must have changed it trying to add a new picture and it did not work as you can see. I must have just found the same photo that was on this page before. I felt like posting as I do not normally edit on this page and it had a protection status. --Npnunda (talk) 02:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of, could there be a worse photo of Eminem to put up? Really. 72.193.0.248 (talk) 10:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Feuds
Os this section of the article gone? I've been trying to find information on some rumored feuds involving Eminem, 50 Cent and others, but Wikipedia is mysteriously silent.68.164.200.167 (talk) 06:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Discrepancy
In the "Early life and first releases" section, it claims that Royce and Eminem "referred to themselves as Bad Meets Evil, with Royce playing 'The Bad' and Eminem playing 'The Evil', as Eminem and Royce each clearly state in the song Bad Meets Evil." Oddly enough, when I listen to the song, I hear Eminem clearly state the following:

Cause this is what happens when bad meets evil, and we hit the trees 'til we look like Vietnamese people. He's evil and I'm bad like Steve Seagle, above the law 'cause I don't agree with police either.

I can't see that I have the ability to edit the main page, so perhaps someone with the capability can make the change.

216.31.249.116 (talk) 20:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)No username

Sixth Studio Album?
Where did the fifth go then?

Slim Shady LP Marshall Mathers LP The Eminem Show Encore -> Fifth?

And if you DO count the D12 albums, it should be seventh... it can never be sixth? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.91.63.84 (talk) 22:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know how many times I've explained this already...just please click this link. Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no 04:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

80 MILLION ALBUMS SOLD
i think eminem sold 80 million albums already i read it in a newspaper that like 80 or 81 not "over 70" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.129.119 (talk)
 * I personally believe by now he might have reached 80 million of copies sold worldwide. However, I've never encountered a reliable source claiming this yet. Would you be kind enough to cite your source? Thanks. Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no 04:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Grammatical error
This sentence: This deal gave him the rights to songs my Eminem, Shakira and Beck amongst other. Should be: This deal gave him the rights to songs by Eminem, Shakira and Beck amongst other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reddox (talk • contribs)
 * Thanks for the correction. Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no 19:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Personal life section need expanded?
Like, how his dad tried to contact him at one time after he became famous and how his aunt and uncle tried to sue him because he promised to buy them a house and he didn't.
 * That's all wonderful stuff. Unfortunately, because Marshall Mathers is a living person, this article is subject to the strict policies of WP:BLP.  We can't just add information even if we are certain it's true.  You must find a reputable source and cite it along with the information.  If you can do that, then I'm sure concensus would be that it's welcome in the article. -Verdatum (talk) 14:38, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

K, just a quick question adding to this, will his autobiography he's writing be mentioned or are autobiographies something you don't mention? SlimShady6135 (talk) 06:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, autobiographies are acceptable to be used as a source for information provided the facts cited meet a few basic criteria. Details may be found at WP:SELFPUB. -Verdatum (talk) 14:08, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * (followup) Unless you are asking about mentioning the fact that he's writing an autobiography, in which case, that would be fine to add so long as you include a Verifiable Reliable Source that states he's writing an autobiography. -Verdatum (talk) 14:20, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

And more info about his children!!

His own biological daughter: Born as Hailie Jade Scott, December 25th, 1995. Parents: Marshall Mathers (Eminem) and Kim Scott Has changed between Scott-Mathers and Mathers for quite some time but is currently (2008) Scott. She's is 12. She cheerleads/pom-dances And is friends with 50cents son, Marquise, Actress, Chloe GreenField and Xzibits Son, Tremayne.

His niece whom he adopted: Born as Amanda Marie Scott, May 3rd 1993. Parents:Dawn Scott and father unknown. After Kim and Eminem adopted her, her name changed to Alaina (Lainie). Just like Hailie her name has varied between Scott and Mathers, but is currently (2008) Scott. She's 15. She cheerleads/pom-dances

His wifes daughter from another relationship: Born as Whitney Laine Scott Parents: Kim Scott and Eric Hartter Kim fell pregnant while Eminem was on tour, But apparantly Eminem is now a legal guardian for Whitney. She' 6. Quote about Whitney by Eminem: "Im in love with that girl man, she's so sweet and funny.I think I'll adopted her soon, if Kim agrees......" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.202.172.179 (talk) 12:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Suicide linked to Rock Bottom's lyrics
David Hurcombe killed himself in 2001, and it is believed that Rock Bottom's lyrics which were discovered in his bedroom were linked to his suicide. How come nobody mentioned this.
 * Probably no specific reason beyond the fact that Wikipedia was brand new in 2001. Unless specific action was taken against Eminem, it could be argued that this fact is related to the song, and not the artist.  But, speaking for myself, so long as the fact was properly cited with a Reliable Source, such as a reputable major news publication, I'd have no problem with it being in this article. -Verdatum (talk) 14:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

New book by Eminem
Eminem wrote a new book and its going to come out this year: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Way-I-Am/Eminem/e/9780525950325/?itm=1 and on the back cover in the pics it says that hes soon going to come out with a new record this year so i guess it confirms the new album? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.58.95 (talk) 01:37, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If what you say is correct (I didn't follow the link), this only confirms that there are plans to come out with a new album. Specific information about release schedules for albums change all the time.  IIRC there is also a cited quote saying any new album will not come out in 2008, so the two facts would need to be placed in parallel (e.g "Source A states that Sleeping Beauty's dress will be pink, however, Source B states that the dress will be blue."). -Verdatum (talk) 14:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I remember them confirming that there wouldn't be an album in 2007, but not 2008. Nobody ever said the album wasn't coming out this year. SlimShady6135 (talk) 02:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm...I can't remember where I saw that claim; it may be all in my head or I might have been thinking of a different artist. Regardless, I can't find it now, and Eminem's sixth studio album has plenty of sources claiming 2008.  So nevermind me :) -Verdatum (talk) 14:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Minor Grammar Fix
Please fix the accolade in the first paragraph. I'm sure Mick Jagger & Co. like Eninem, too, but the list is by Rolling Stone (so this is "Rolling Stone's" article, not "The Rolling Stones'").

This is a good article.


 * ✅. Good catch. -Verdatum (talk) 15:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

minor correction...
I think this sentence: "He also addresses the charges he faced over assaulting a bouncer he saw kissing his wife in 2000. " requires 'allegedly' (...a bouncer he allegedly saw...)

It's in the 2002–2003: The Eminem Show section (later in 'Legal Troubles' allegedly is used)

Otherwise great article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haydskies (talk • contribs) 00:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Eminem spent alot of years in st.joseph
I am not for sure the exact years he was in saint joseph,MO but i can tell you he was in saint joseph,MO through out middle school and highschool and yes there are year books proving this claim. so i think you should look into that a little more -samantha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.39.53.22 (talk) 16:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eminem&oldid=96352679#Controversies

Why were these things taken out from much older versions? The entire old article contains a LOT of information missing in this article today.
 * This general question has been asked a few times in the past. Some of it justifiably would have been removed because it does not meet WP:BLP.  Any controversies or other information that is documented in reliable and verifiable sources is welcome so long as the source is provided.  The reason why this hasn't been done is probably just because no one has bothered. -Verdatum (talk) 16:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Notability
Eminem does not meet the notability criteria for person/band. Why is that article still here?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.149.198.76 (talk) 10:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * (Moved to bottom of discussion page per convention.) I can only guess this comment is an attempt to make some sort of point. Eminem has recieved signifigant coverage in a number of independent resources, and the article reflects this fact.  If the editor is serious, in what way do you believe he does not meet notability criteria? -Verdatum (talk) 16:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Typo
St. Clair Shores is spelled incorrectly--was going to fix it, but it's locked and I don't have an account. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.234.198 (talk) 05:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Done! Melmann (talk) 00:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

records sold
Eminem Has Sold Over 83 Millions Can You Update This Please
 * Infinite (1995) (Sold roughly 500 copies out of the trunk of his car/unofficial)
 * The Slim Shady EP (1997) (Precursor to The Slim Shady LP, sharing many of its songs, also including tracks with original, alternate beats/unofficial)
 * The Slim Shady LP (1999) #2 US (5x Platinum); #12 UK (Platinum) (9 million worldwide)
 * The Marshall Mathers LP (2000) #1 US (8 weeks) (1X Diamond) (10X Platinum); #1 UK (6x Platinum) (22 million worldwide)
 * The Eminem Show (2002) #1 US (6 weeks) (9X Platinum); #1 UK (5 weeks) (4x Platinum) (21 million worldwide)
 * Music From And Inspired By The Motion Picture 8 Mile #1 US (2002) (4x Platinum/soundtrack) (9 million worldwide)
 * Encore (2004) #1 US (4 weeks) (6x Platinum); #1 UK (3x Platinum) (15 million worldwide)
 * Curtain Call: The Hits (2005) #1 US (2 weeks) (2x Platinum) #1 UK (5 weeks) (7 million worldwide/miscellaneous-greatest hits)
 * Eminem Presents: The Re-Up (2006) (Shady Records) (compilation) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noddyyyyy (talk • contribs) 22:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I was just about to say this. Yeah, someone needs to update it to "over eighty million" everywhere it says how many albums he has sold. Also should be updated on the highest selling artists of all time article. I'm pretty sure I've seen different articles on different websites that say he has sold eighty million. SlimShady6135 (talk) 19:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I found sources for this. I updated the article and provided the references. — Do U(knome)?  yes...or no 02:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Birthday
He wasn't born in '72. HE was born in 73. Just listen to the Cleanin out my CLoset —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.122.117 (talk) 16:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that evidence alone would generally not be considered a reliable source. Especially since the song doesn't say "I was born in 1973" or even anything along those lines.  Plus, '72 doesn't rhyme with "multi-platinum sellin' CD." In the context of the song, '73 refers to the date when his father left. -Verdatum (talk) 15:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Also in the song "cleaning out my closet"; It says "maybe i was a couple of months". eminem was born in october 1972, so by 1973 january, he is a couple of months old.

78.147.229.206 (talk) 17:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC) Delvinv

New Image
I've insert on Commons a new Eminem's image from Flickr, the title is Eminem. If you like it you can add the image in to the article.--FENIX 89 (talk) 20:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

It's excellent. Thanks. SlimShady6135 (talk) 04:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Autobiography
Shouldn't we add something about his autobiography The Way I am? --Bnvdarklord (talk) 11:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. A mention of the book has already been added. I just got a copy of it yesterday, so I was planning to flip through it today to see if there was anything worth adding. -Verdatum (talk) 17:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

"Homo"
Unless someone can prove that Mr. Mathers is scared of gay people, please change "homophobia" to "anti-homosexuality." Thank you. 64.221.15.66 (talk) 20:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * While it is true that it is much more likely that Eminem has been guilty of "anti-homosexuality" than of homophobia, the reference supplied uses the term "homophobe". The fact in question is not related to what Eminem is or is not, it is related to what he has (or has not) been accused of. -Verdatum (talk) 21:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Other Beefs
There's no mention of Em's beef with Benzino (although a reference to the request to pull the Michael Jackson song is in the article) including the four-song diss EP Eminem released as well as the full album Benzino released dissing Em. Also, no mention of his beef with DMX and Ja-Rule.

I suggest either an entire new article devoted strictly to his beefs (which he has more of than most rappers, imo) or at least a stub.

205.219.133.1 (talk) 14:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * He never had beef with DMX. 74.5.62.46 (talk) 04:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I do believe it would be possible to write content, if not an entire subarticle on his beefs with other artists. I seem to recall some revisions of this article containing some of them.  Unfortunately, such content must be presented extremely carefully, due to the strict nature of WP:BLP.  For example, supporting claims through artists' song-lyrics alone would not be considered a sufficiently reliable source.  I expect it is for this reason that the content is conspicuously outstanding.  If someone wants to take a shot at putting together the content with inline citations to reliable sources, I'd be happy to do any formatting/copyediting needed to render it appropriate for Wikipedia. -Verdatum (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

release date is wrong
Release date states May 17th despite being backed up a source that clearly states May 19th. (in the main intro description) Can this be changed ASAP by somebody with access. The release date was clearly announced as May 19, not 17. Thedevilspoon (talk) 00:04, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a larger discussion of this on the page Talk:Relapse (album). Go there Kiraisgod666 (talk) 22:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Glasses
Why is it that in the Mockingbird and Stan music videos and part of the Lose Yourself video, Eminem wears glasses? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.178.3 (talk) 04:08, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Per Talk page guidelines talkpages are for discussing the article, not the topic. Even if anyone did have an answer, I fail to see how it would result in any changes to this article. -Verdatum (talk) 21:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Cry about the "rules" some more. Also, he's probably wearing glasses because he actually requires glasses to see.  Sometimes he goes without/wears contacts and sometimes he prefers to actually wear them.  I assume while shooting the videos he just chose to wear them.

Crack a Bottle
Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? It went to #1 in the US. — R  2  00:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The general convention on major artists like this is to only list full albums in the biography, and to use Template:Main to link to a discography page to report on smaller releases, like singles. I believe that song is mentioned on Eminem discography, so all should be well as is. -Verdatum (talk) 21:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Picture
If anyone can please guide me, I have a free photo of eminem on my PC, how can i get it up here.?
 * Please follow the directions at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Upload
 * Once it has been uploaded, you can either add it to the article using instructions at WP:IMAGE, replace the current image, as no one really likes it much, or just put the link below, and I or someone else will make sure it gets in all pretty-like, providing it improves the article. Happy editing! -Verdatum (talk) 21:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

thank!!, but someone has already uploaded a better picture of him, so no use, thanks anyway! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.145.75 (talk) 06:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I had to put the old one back, it was likely a copy violation. Sorry. — R  2  06:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

oh, snap! :(, anywa now i'll try to get my photo up there —Preceding unsigned  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.150.74 (talk) 07:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

btw, now i'm logged in !;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvivid13 (talk • contribs) 07:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

hey this is the picture i uploaded, now how can i get it on this page? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eminem-Live.Aug.9.05.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvivid13 (talk • contribs) 08:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try for you. — R  2  15:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've cropped the image to focus on Eminem himself. I'd still love to see a higher quality image, but I believe this is at least marginally better than the previous image.  The image feels oddly familiar though...I don't suppose it was on a previous revision on the article?  I'm probably just losing it. -Verdatum (talk) 21:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to be accusatory to the original uploader, but this looks very much like a screenshot. It almost looks like someone took the image from a video browser and used an image cropper to upload it here. This could be easily from the DVD  Live from New York City 2005. Do U(knome)?  yes...or no 22:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know enough about Eminem to comment on the validity of the image, I own one of his studio albums and a greatest hits album, so not an expert I'm afraid. I'm assuming good faith that he owns the copy right to the image, as he claims. —  R  2  05:02, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Udonknome. The new image does indeed look like a screen shot from a video and has no metadata, so it could very well be a copyright violation. However, if the image actually is taken by uploader, it's not any better than the previous lead image. In fact, it might be even worse. Karppinen (talk) 19:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What a pain. It does rather look like a widescreen screencap.  Given that the guy has actually written songs about fans stopping him in the bathroom asking for autographs and such, you'd think one of these people would've snagged a decent photo and would be kind enough to release the thing under a friendly license.  If anyone feels it better to revert to the previous photo, I won't fight about it. -Verdatum (talk) 15:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I have nominated File:Eminem-Live.Aug.9.05.jpg at the deletion requests on Commons. Anyone interested is welcome to comment, although keep in my that their deletion policy is much different from ours. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 00:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Associated Acts
50 Cent, G-Unit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.18.215 (talk) 10:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅; Based on the information on Template:Infobox Musical artist, they seem appropriate to me. -Verdatum (talk) 16:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

this is eminem —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.73.186.110 (talk) 16:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you implying that 50 Cent and G-Unit are not associated acts? You don't pay much attention to what's going on in the hip-hop world, do you? Mertens21 (talk) 05:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

should change to main picture of him...
to this http://www.hiphoprx.com/content/uploads/2007/11/eminem_all-black.jpg, it is a way better pic of him then the one that is up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.119.132.64 (talk) 03:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See that writing on the bottom of it? It's copyrighted.  We can't use it. -Verdatum (talk) 14:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * We need a freely available picture, it seems the one we have is from a fan's cellphone. I've tried to clean it up here but it's still ugly. We do need a decent picture released under a creative commons licence or similar that we can use, but for now the picture stays. I'll upload my version to wikimedia if it's required, though it's hardly much of an improvement but more just a slight colour correction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nazlfrag (talk • contribs) 17:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, at least your image is an improvement. It would be nice if you uploaded that image to this link so that the current image would be replaced with your version. I can't believe no one has found since 2005 a better free image than that one. Do U(knome)?  yes...or no 18:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Most newspapers/medias use similar pictures of him. Isn't there a possibility to get hold of a legaly availiable picture by a newspaperor something comparable? Or Interscope. They make pictures of him as well, are they really all copyrighted or not to be used by common persons? I mean this picture is DEFINIATLY ugly. --DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 22:00, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

hey on www.eminem.com there is a free picture of him, everynews article uses it, why can't we use it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.146.67 (talk) 15:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The image has an implied copyright unless stated otherwise. so the issue is one of WP:Non-free content, which states, "Unacceptable use...Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images. " (My emphasis), So if you want a better image, find him, ask permission to take his picture if possible, and take a better photo.  Alternatively, you can request an image through eminem's agent By either Requesting_copyright_permission of an image, or requesting they release an image under a compatible license (Creative Commons, Public Domain, etc). -Verdatum (talk) 17:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

alright what about this pic? http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/eminem_lead_narrowweb__300x376,2.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.119.134.119 (talk) 03:58, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * i think that ones from 8 mileД narchistPig (talk) 21:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

How about this? http://images.askmen.com/blogs/entertainment/should-eminem-retire.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by REK101 (talk • contribs) 12:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Every photograph of Eminem has an implied copyright unless it can be proven otherwise. The intellectual property owner must explicitly release it to the public domain, or release it under a license that gives us explicit permission to use it.  If you don't see such a release, we cannot use it. -Verdatum (talk) 15:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Mmmm can't we just take a part from the album cover of Marshall Mathers LP Limited edition? It's far better than the current image, and being on wikipedia, it must be copyright-free.(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/The_Marshall_Mathers_LP_Limited_Edition.JPG) Bnvdarklord (talk) 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, we cannot. Again, the details are outlined at WP:Non-free content.  If you go to the page for the uploaded image in question, File:The Marshall Mathers LP Limited Edition.JPG You'll see a tag declaring the image to be copyrighted.  Copyrighted images are allowed to be uploaded and used in Wikipedia, but they are only permissible for certain specific applications.  An image of an album cover is permissible on the article about the album itself, but it cannot be used to represent the subject in the photograph. -Verdatum (talk) 15:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

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