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Requested move 14 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. "Imperial Majesty (style)" is now a redirect to "Imperial Majesty", but the hatnotes confuse me. Would someone kindly update the hatnotes? Thanks. —usernamekiran (talk) 09:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

– per WP:CONSISTENT and WP:GNL (first three), WP:TWODABS (last one).
 * His Eminence → Eminence (style)
 * His Holiness → Holiness (style)
 * His Honour → Honour (style)
 * Imperial Majesty (style) → Imperial Majesty

23 other articles about noun-form styles are at "Noun" or "Noun (style)" where necessary (Apostolic Majesty, Britannic Majesty, Ducal Serene Highness, Exalted Highness, Excellency, Grace (style), Grand Ducal Highness, Highness, Illustrious Highness, Imperial and Most Faithful Majesty, Imperial and Royal Highness, Imperial and Royal Majesty → His Imperial and Royal Majesty, Imperial Highness, Imperial Majesty (style), Majesty, Most Excellent Majesty, Most Faithful Majesty, Most Gracious Majesty, Orthodox Majesty, Royal Highness, Serene Highness, Sultanic Highness, Worship (style)). The three proposed to be moved are the only ones at "His Noun".

The His form has the disadvantage of arbitrariness and over-specificity: they could equally be at "Your Noun", and most of them are also applied as "Her Noun" or "Their Noun".

An argument that the pronouns are required because they are integral to the style would be wrong – both Debrett's ("... would be entitled to the style Royal Highness and the title ... was created Royal Highness, but ... with the style of Highness and ...", all p. 58) and the the Queen via the Gazette ("... should have and enjoy the style, title and attribute of Royal Highness with ..." ) omit the pronouns when referring to styles of this form without a name. I suggest that Debrett's and Letters Patent are the limit Wikipedia should be aiming for in terms of formality and hyper-correctness, and neither uses a pronoun when referencing styles in the abstract.

These moves were previously discussed in 2018 as part of a larger set of proposals. This proposal is a subset of the prior proposal, and if accepted would now create a full set of consistent articles at either "The Adjective", "The Adjective (style)", "Noun" or "Noun (style)".

Somewhat relatedly, also proposing moving Imperial Majesty (style) to remove the disambiguator – there are only two full links at the existing disambiguation page, it should be deleted and disambiguation done with hatnotes. Charlie A. (talk) 20:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Support move. Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  05:04, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, clarifying that this is not about an individual. BD2412  T 22:45, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Showiecz (talk) 18:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.