Talk:Emmure/Archive 1

Alrighty
Sloppy- I know. but at least there's something more than the original article which was just the description. Please add more. Deathtalon (talk) 05:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

In 1985?
It says they toured in 1985 yet they formed in 2003? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.191.234.222 (talk) 22:33, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

haha —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeboehmer (talk • contribs) 17:20, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Fact check
In April 2009, the early history of this band was edited to mention an "original bass player", and other changes. A name was later added. These changes were not in the cited official site bio (including versions at archive.org) so I've changed the article back so that it matches the cite. Unfortunately, this unsourced information was in the article for about a year, and has been duplicated across the web. Gimmetrow 17:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Beef
Should their feud with The Acacia Strain be mentioned? Cathys Son (talk) 23:30, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The beef with The Acacia Strian has been over for almost a year since the time you posted that comment. » •  GunMetal Angel  10:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

metalcore/deathcore
I'll tell you now Emmure are a metalcore band, they do not use death metal why do people keep changing it? and the vocal style has nothing to do with genre, as its always on the vocalists preferation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by XTomScottx (talk • contribs) 18:04, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Emmure are not deathcore and certainly NOT death metal, a few songs even sound screamo/pop-punk. They are metalcore with mid/low yelling and 90% breakdowns, no death metal influence at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.8.1 (talk) 09:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Emmure are totally deathcore. They mix death metal with metalcore influences. They have plenty of death growls, lots of down tuned guitar usage... what else would deathcore be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 (talk) 06:23, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

The type of music that they play is called 2-step

there fucking deathcore

They are definitely deathcore yes, so we are leaving that genre up. Stop removing it. But after hearing felony, I think nu metal should be added to the genres. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.244.142 (talk) 03:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

These guys are brutal death metal. They're the most brutal band I've ever listened to so I changed the genre. Qpalwoskeid

So the vote appears to be deathcore with 4 votes for it and 2 against it. I disagree with Nu Metal but if you can find sources you can post it. I'm going to search for some sources saying deathcore as that's clearly what they are. I listen to metalcore so I know that it's not one of their genres, Nu Metal actually makes more sense than deathcore. And @ Qpalwoskeid:You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. On the Deathcore article you called them Post-Hardcore. Please start making sense. Kezian Avenger  21:51, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

This is not a fucking democracy, they are what you can source them to be.108.15.17.159 (talk) 20:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

They seem to be getting a fair amount of nu metal influence, based on Felony and the way they're dressing/headbanging/acting int he newest music video, but that doesn't mean they are nu metal, just influenced by it. If the new CD continues in this direction it would probably be acceptible to call them a nu metal hybrid band, but now it's just that - influence. Something between metalcore and a poppy deathcore. It could be noted they started deathcore and started to merge into nu metal recently, but a source would be needed calling them nu metal, so we should wait for the next album first? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.137.217 (talk) 03:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Ehh, I would say they're metalcore with a nu metal backlash. Deathcore isn't so much to say because they're not really deathly compared to deathcore bands like Suicide Silence, Whitechapel and Carnifex all of whom you can hear the Nile and Cannibal Corpse influence in. Deathcore can only be with their heavyness during a few parts in their songs now and then if not their lyrics about killings and violence other than that there's not much death metal. Metalcore is a definate, though. Metallic riffs with hardcore breakdowns and extreme metal screams is all the proof you need. Sure they don't have the clean vocals in choruses like a lot of metalcore bands and they may not have that much good guitar work like a lot of modern metalcore bands employ, but it's safe to call them nu metal-driven metalcore than deathcore. • GunMetal Angel  07:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, relistening to their stuff and comparing it to other bands, their composition is much more similar to metalcore... so I guess the deathcore "vibes" are more an influence in the way the vocals sound and are placed, and in the tuning, mixing etc.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.137.217 (talk) 01:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Not Nu metal
To anyone who will label any of Emmure's work as Nu Metal will have that removed. Deathcore (maybe Metalcore) is fine if you want, but NOT Nu Metal. Nu Metal is Korn, Slipknot and old Linkin Park, NOT Emmure —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.65.119.68 (talk) 02:31, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Speaker of the Dead
Should I make a page for their upcoming album? Homie C (talk) 04:38, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Mike Kaabe's depature
He recently got departed from the band and this is what he said on his personal Facebook page

"Well if you guys would like to know the truth I can explain to you their immature and completely hypocritical approach to were quite resolvable issues. It started when I was posting videos of myself on the Emmure FB. I went to go post a video of a lesson and saw that I was removed as an administrator from the website. I called our manager to re-add me but was already in an argument with him a few nights prior about his lack of professionalism, and the facts that I don't trust him, and that he might be stealing from us; nothing new there. So because of this he doesn't pick up his phone, even though he should because we pay his bills. I call the company he works with and have them re-add me to post the video, so then of course I get the call from our manager. He tells me that "people" in the band aren't happy with what I've been posting, though a few months prior he told me to do exactly what I was doing so that the fans realize we are nice guys with our own personalities and that whacko Frankie shouldn't monopolize the page. I ask our manager Shawn Keith what "people" and he won't say, which is obviously unprofessional on his part. So I have to go interstate my band about who could be so passive aggressive about a simple issue that could be resolved without calling our manager who doesn't like me. I find out it was Frankie who didn't like it, and his argument was "if it doesn't directly promote the band that it shouldn't be on there." my thought is that I'm the drummer of the band so anything I put on the page directly promoted the band, and unless it's in a negative way, what's the problem? I don't tell frank that he's promoting pokemon, or Mario bros, more than the band when he takes these ridiculous pics that's have nothing to do with the band. Again just a bunch of hypocrisy. So after that argument things seemed fine until I posted a remix of a drake song I did for fun. That really upset him because even though I stated that it was only by me and not the band, it received a little negative criticism and that just scared them. That's when frank decided I need to leave the band even though I've known him for nearly 15 years. So he sent me a text kicking me out of the band which was disgusting considering he lives a half a mile from me. I then spoke to Jesse whom I've known for 22 years and is my step brother. He said the band was scared that I might miss a gig or not show up because I like to hang out with friends on the road and travel on my own. None of these things ever happened with the exception of one day on warped where I was stuck at the exit a mike from the venue for 3 hours due to traffic, and could hear are set being played, and luckily Jesse knew the drums. Other than that I never missed a show, and was penalized for the show I missed. They also claimed I party and drug too much for them when I barely did drugs at any point in the band. I got free cocaine that I shared with everybody the two days we were in Vegas, quick mark our bassist did with me, and did Molly 2 or 3 times with other people on the tour, but other than that nothing. So they call me a drug addict, yet Jesse eats 90 somas which are highly addictive in 20 days, or drinks and smokes every night that he's onstage, or frank eats ecstasy and trips on mushrooms for 2 weeks at a time while onstage, yet I'm the drug addict? I don't even drink. They just didn't seem to like that I was happy and living my life as best I knew how and wanted to stop me. They claimed I was disrespectful to them because I smoked cigarettes on the bus yet so did all of them. Did I smoke more cigarettes and if so how many more constitutes me deserving to be kicked out of the band? Again they had no real argument other than that frank is a passive aggressive pissy baby along with tue rest of them who have a do as I say not as I do attitude. The best is they threw away their friendship with me that again has gone on with frank and Jesse more than half our lives over this nonsense."

Should this info (but not the whole thing) be posted on the bands page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.222.167.160 (talk) 06:24, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Controversy section
I added things that seemed important to the band's history. They are both referenced and shouldn't be deletedwithout proper argument. Homie C (talk) 19:35, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It violates WP:CONT, plus some of your sources that you edited this article with are not reliable in any way. Not to mention your genre section was totally unsourced. I am not so against having a genres section as describing this band is a tad difficult since they appeal to both metalcore junkies (August Burns Red, TDWP) and nu metal/rapcore fanatics (Limp Bizkit, P.O.D.). But the "controversy" section cannot be made, even The Acacia Strain personally denies no conflict ever happening between the two parties, wherein the ordeal with Kaabe should only be kept with one sentence instead of getting into the drama of how he was believed to be a drug abuser, when this is not the case of what happened with him. These topics are definitely a violation of these guidelines. - GunMetal Angel  01:24, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Then why was the "style and theme" section deleted? Homie C (talk) 20:09, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I just clearly explained that. It didn't have one source in the whole thing. However, you can restore it as long as you source as much as you can of it. • GunMetal Angel  02:29, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Genre change NEEDED!!!
I am a STRONG advocate for having Emmure's genre changed to metalcore. I honestly believe they are too melodic for the deathcore moniker, and calling them deathcore after albums like Goodbye to the Gallows and Speaker of the Dead is a stretch. Not to mention they were named "Metalcore Band of the Year" by a major magazine. I'm not saying delete deathcore altogether, but it seems to fit in as more of a secondary genre. Homie C (talk) 18:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Slave to the Game
I have started a Mypage for their upcoming album of the same name so that everyone can edit it without moving it into the article space prematurely. Edit it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Homie_C/Slave_to_the_Game Homie C (talk) 19:11, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Steindler
I'm tired of this. Please provide a genuine, reliable source that mentions "Steindler". Text from user-editable sites is simply not reliable. Texts that appear to be copied from old versions of this wiki page are not good enough, either. (Texts copied from here are not independent sources, whether they copied versions mentioning this person or not.)

The site emmure.com was generally understood to be the band's official site, and the band history there does not mention this person. Now, I can imagine that emmure.com might not have been an official site, but it also matches the old band history at Victory records. (The current band history page at Victory does not have early band history.) Also, there are also hardly any internet hits for searches for this person in relation to the band, and none of those that I have checked look like reliable pages. Enough fans try to list themselves as members of their favourite band on wiki; I'm sure you understand that some decent sourcing is expected. Gimmetoo (talk) 17:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * This is ridiculous!! This was an extremely important part of my life and it's sad that I have to go back and forth to prove to people that have nothing to do with EMMURE that I was a big part of EMMURE!!!If you contacted anyone of the current or recent members they will tell you that I was there from the beginning!! Im not going to waste anymore of my time because EVERYONE knows that what im writing is the truth!!! Enjoy the rest of you're life knowing that all you are is a wanna-be and I'll have the satisfaction that i actually contributed something to the world!!! Enjoy this gift i give you and have fun being a follower and spending all your time making sure im not on here!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dansteindler (talk • contribs) 01:53, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Gimmetoo, as you can see I have re-edited the Emmure page AGAIN to include original bassist and founding member Dan Steindler to give him the credit he unquestionably deserves. I have included two references, the first being a bio from MTV affirming that he was in fact the original bassist  ("Mark Davis joined when the original bass player (Dan Steindler) had to leave for work-related reasons"). This is undoubtedly a reputable site, so now that I have provided sufficient proof I DO NOT want to see this page edited again to remove Dan Steindler's name.


 * I have also provided a second reference which is a link to a picture which will serve as photographic proof of Dan Steindler's inclusion in this band.  Feel free to remove this link as I have included it with the sole purpose of providing you with yet another source of proof that he was in fact a part of this band, just in case you are still for whatever reason doubting his affiliation with Emmure.


 * I sincerely hope that this is the last time I need to concern myself with this matter. Thank you Ncas17 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:35, 16 March 2012 (UTC).


 * The mtv.no link is not a reliable source for this . Here's a big reason why - it's a copy of the Wikipedia page version from February 18, 2010 . Mention of Steindler had been added by an IP editor  on January 9, 2010 to a statement that had existed for a long time. The reference to an "original Bass" was also an addition not in the source used . It has been identified by various names in the history of this page. (Yes, Steindler is one of those names.) Again, if you really have connections with the band, ask them to change the official biography on  an official page, like Victory Records, that cannot be edited by random users and is not a copy from Wikipedia. Or, if you are credited on official releases of the band, point us to one of them so it can be verified. If you're not credited, then the obvious question is - why?  Gimmetoo (talk) 17:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not clear what if anything the facebook picture "proves". I've removed the inappropriate sources. Please try to find a good source - a newpaper report of an early performance, credits on an early release, something. Gimmetoo (talk) 17:56, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow, you are really just determined to deny him credit for his involvement in the creation of this band, aren't you? Just because the MTV bio is the same as the prior wikipedia page, this does not mean that this was where this bio info derived from. As per your own link  the original reference source for the information included in to bio was http://www.emmure.com/main.php?pageID=bio, and as you can see this is no longer a valid web page.  However it seems obvious to me, and to any intelligent person, that this is most likely the bands old website and was the source of the prior CORRECT bio information.  And furthermore, do you think I would be this adamant about having his name included if he did not truly deserve to be credited??  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.106.158 (talk) 18:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for agreeing that the band's official website is the correct info. That's the info that doesn't mention Steindler. There are many reasons someone might be adamant about adding unsourced information to a page about a band. Provide a source that's decent and adding the info won't be a problem. Gimmetoo (talk) 18:51, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

This doubt presented in this conversation towards Dan Stiendler's involvement with Emmure is by far ridiculous, immature, and completely uncalled for. This user Gimmetoo should be embarrassed by his actions. Dan Steindler, unquestionably, has been a valuable member of this band. It is apparently obvious that this conversation is in fact a desperate attempt by a local business to discredit Dan and his amazingly successful business. The simple fact of the matter is that any current member of Emmure will be more than willing and very happy to vouch for Dan and his ongoing dedication to his brothers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.48.149 (talk)
 * This is not complicated - just provide a reliable source. The problem here is the absence of any reliable sources presented that refer to Steindler in the context of the band. Are there any? If, as the anonymous editor claims, any band member will vouch, then ask them to mention Steindler in an interview with a reputable media outlet, and it will be "problem solved". Gimmetoo (talk) 21:41, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

" This Is Joe Lionetti. The founder and original member of "Emmure." I can assure Wikipedia that Dan Stiendler was and original member of "Emmure." He may have taken out of the original bio because "Emmure" may have needed a quick and to the point bio. Dan was a important part of "Emmure" in the beginning stages and deserves to have his name on the wiki page..You can confirm who i am by email me at : joemmure@gmail.com or Joelionetti@gmail.com or http://www.facebook.com/joesephlionetti...Here are other websites that have the bio in it...http://dictionary.sensagent.com/emmure/en-en/, http://deathgrindcore.wikia.com/wiki/Emmure, http://comfibook.com/n/Dan+Steindler. Someone is determined to have his name stricken from record for no good reason other than someone to make Dan out as a liar which he is not...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.177.148 (talk) 20:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Metal?!?!
I don't agree with calling them a metal band. Why? It is because they're metalcore/death core/raPcore and they're more a hybrid of death/extreme metal and beatdown hardcore. So mathematically, they're half metal and half hardcore punk. But I wouldn't call them hardcore with metal influences. I think also that they should be called rapcore instead of nu metal because nu metal has grunge elements and it sounds more like rap metal or alternative metal but with different elements. But rapcore is a hybrid of rap and punk/hardcore. I'm putting metalcore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.233.231 (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Brocore?
I understand that there's a lot of back and forth about what genre you guys want to shove this band into.

But what the hell.

Brocore sounds like some derogatory slang some punk uses within the confines of a select few buddies. Can we please select an actual genre, i.e., one that appears on this site other than within this specific band's page? 68.226.71.137 (talk) 06:00, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Eternal Enemies
 Split  - An article on Eternal Enemies should be created from parts of the controversy section. Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 05:09, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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Adam Pierce
He has been listed in the "Members" section of the band's Facebook. It's safe to say he is an official member now.

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Influences.
--72.251.108.97 (talk) 19:08, 24 August 2014 (UTC)  Frankie on twitter said that he is influenced by Linkin Park too. a fan named @Nu_Metal_Man asked him and he said yes he was. I saw it. Look it up. --72.251.108.97 (talk) 19:08, 24 August 2014 (UTC)