Talk:Emo glasses

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Very recent slang applied to a very old style, and even then it is not that common. A short definition with an excerpt from an external website, no real potential to become anything more. Maybe deserves a mention in the main Emo article at most, but a separate article is excessive and unnecessary. &rarr;Reene&#9998; 09:27, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * weak delete, possibly merge with an article on stereotypes? Thryduulf 18:13, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename and keep. We have articles on gothic fashion and punk fashion.  An article on emo fashion seems needful given these precedents, and here is some data to start with.  The info within seems good enough, cites sources and relates it to other things.  -- Smerdis of Tlön 21:46, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Just curious: By "cites sources" do you mean the excerpt taken from the Maddox website from an rant he made about camera whores? That's not really a source: and by those standards it wouldn't even belong in Wiktionary, and they're pretty loose about this sort of thing. Also, calling Buddy Holly and his glasses "emo" is pretty absurd considering he existed nearly two decades before "emo" (specifically emo kids and emo fashion) did. Very shaky premise for an article. All this and more is why I feel it isn't deserving of its own article; even an "emo fashion" article is pushing it, as there's not a lot to it and it would easily fit on the main article. &rarr;Reene&#9998; 01:17, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename as suggested by Ihcoyc/Smerdis of Tlön. GRider\talk  22:32, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I concur. Samaritan 00:43, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, make a paragraph in emo. Rhobite 23:52, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into emo, or incorporate into a new article on horn-rimmed glasses. Psychonaut 01:25, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to emo. silsor 01:27, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge valid content into Emo. No Buddy Holly stuff. - Vague | Rant 01:32, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete or merge into Emo, certainly dont leave as is. Megan1967 04:11, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Trim, merge and redirect to emo (which currently is a structureless wonder, but that's another matter). This doesn't deserve it's own article, and the Buddy Holly stuff should just go from a merged version &mdash; the connection is iffy at best. We can have emo fashion if that ever branches out from the main article. Calling these glasses "emo" and tying them to Buddy Holly is a silly POV. JRM 23:39, 2005 Jan 12 (UTC)
 * Keep -- valid, plus slightly humorous. Ekips 02:45, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Ekips' 5th contribution ever, and first since March 2004. - Vague | Rant 03:12, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename and keep to horn-rimmed glasses or Nerd glasses or similiar. --Pengo 09:09, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to emo. FYI these glasses are neither horn-rimmed glasses nor nerd glasses. They look like this. Gazpacho 23:18, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * In pop culture, thick, black, square-rimmed glasses (such as the ones in that image) have typically been associated with nerds and geeks. Their assumption as an aspect of "emo culture" (heh) is very recent, on the line of just a few years (I was in high school at the time, and was perplexed at the sudden spike in the number of people who wore glasses identical to mine). And the glasses are still commonly associated with nerds and geeks moreso than they are emo kids. &rarr;Reene&#9998; 00:30, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Glasses recognized as "emo" have shorter lenses than those recognized as "nerd" glasses. Henry Kissinger, for example, is not emo! And yes, it is a recent development. Gazpacho
 * On this point I would have to disagree: While it is true that longer lenses are typical of male "nerd" glasses, females were (and are) often depicted wearing a shorter lense compared to the male glasses. Indeed this is the reason I picked up my old pair initially, as I thought they were cute and was surprised at the open embracing of geek fashion. Of course this was before I realized what they were being marketed as, and was just before they became very popular in my area. I suppose that's neither here nor there though, and we'll have to agree to disagree. &rarr;Reene&#9998; 02:49, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep, it's encyclopedic. Rename if there's a more valid name, however "emo glasses" gets plenty of Google hits.  The recentness of the term is not an issue, this is Wikipedia after all, and up-to-datedness is a feature not a bug.  This is not someone's original-research attempt to coin a neologism, as Google hits show it's a well-established term.  Of course, Buddy Holly didn't call them "emo glasses" because back then all glasses looked like that.  But Buddy Holly didn't refer to his TV set as a black-and-white over-the-air analog television, because that's all they had back then too.  The new name of "emo glasses" is simply an example of a retronym.  Having an article on this style of glasses is no different from having an article on Pince-nez aka Oxford glasses.  The article should exist; what to call it is another issue.  If there's some more standard name, emo glasses should be renamed to that and survive as a redirect.  -- Curps 06:50, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Buddy Holly wasn't emo, nor was his style (of music or dress). Saying it was does not make it true. The fact that the author of this article is attempting to draw weak parallels between Buddy Holly and his style of dress to one very tiny element of so-called "emo fashion" is just an attempt on their part to make this seem somehow valid as a stand-alone article. &rarr;Reene&#9998; 07:07, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well then the article should be edited, not deleted. There should be a standalone article on this style of glasses just like there is a standalone article on pince-nez glasses. Google gets around 4500 hits for "emo glasses" so the name seems well-established. -- Curps 07:17, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Google gets nearly 6,000 hits for "nerd glasses" and over 2,000 for "geek glasses", which is the same style with a name that has been established for much longer. &rarr;Reene&#9998; 07:28, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, then perhaps rename to nerd glasses with geek glasses and emo glasses as redirects, and edit accordingly. Although some seem to argue above that nerd glasses and emo glasses aren't quite the same thing. Maybe ask on Peer review if they really are the same. -- Curps 08:17, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to one of emo or emo fashion. User:Premeditated Chaos 07:48, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep or if possible Merge with the emo-culture article or some such article suggested on here. -CunningLinguist 01:54, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Emo --GaidinBDJ 15:37, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Emo. There's really not much to say on the topic of glasses here, but definatly needs to be mentioned in the core article. --InShaneee 15:40, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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