Talk:Emperor (band)

whoever keeps deleting my additions..
you might as well stop because im not vandalising the page as you are trying to make it look like. i once again made an addition because again you re-did the part where it says "samoth went along with members of mayhem to burn down the ancient churches of norway". first of all, as ive clearly stated and have sources from, no members of mayhem were involved in the church burnings. you also put down a link to a source which does not even note that members of mayhem were involved in church burnings, all it proves is that EURONYMOUS (not members) of mayhem was involved in a pile of bible burnings at a nearby ski jump. i also noted that they were at a point signed to deathlike silence productions, which was also deleted. once again, im not vandalising and im clearly just trying to put down here that they were signed to that label, despite the fact that you may think they werent just because they released no material. if you want proof of this, i cannot find an internet source, but an even more reliable source, because it is listed on an emperor cd itself with a poster containing small advertisements and pictures of the band. on one of the advertisements it says to "WATCH OUT FOR THE NEW LP ON DEATHLIKE SILENCE PRODUCTIONS". <<<there is ur proof, u dont think thats good enough either? go and buy the new box version of Wrath of the Tyrant, and you can see for yourself. also, if you have a problem with my additions to this page or any others, leave a note on the discussion page. Okram 09 (talk) 01:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

"Members of Mayhem"
the following quote above will be deleted in every part of the emperor page and every page that its on the emperor band members. this quote is so stupid and its becoming annoying. no "members of mayhem" were even involved in the church burnings, let alone some stupid claim that they went to "burn bibles at a nearby ski jump". this page is supposed to be about the band emperor and their music, not some stupid black metal myths. if any of yous need proof that no mayhem members were in the church burnings, look at an interview with necrobutcher, where he even states that it was a stupid thing to do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Okram 09 (talk • contribs) 08:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC) Also, just noting that for a brief period, the band was signed to DSP, but didnt release any albums from there. so im noting that they were signed to DSP. i have no internet link sources for this, but if anyone else owns the box set version of the wrath of the tyrant, it shows on a poster that comes with the cd many different photos and early advertisements of emperor. one of the excerpts states to "watch out for the next release on deathlike silence productions". this being on an official emperor cd can simply prove they were signed to DSP, though nevertheless still released no material on that label. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Okram 09 (talk • contribs) 01:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Euronymous was involved in at least one church burning. 65.25.104.44 (talk) 17:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Album Capitalization
Regarding album titles, I personally feel that all words should be capitalized, whether they are conjuctions or not. It seems inconsistent (even though it is traditional) to have a mixture of upper and lower case words, and inconsistency is the enemy. This is perhaps a moot point, but I think it ought to be defined one way or another as to which should be used. I think we ought to capitalize all words in a title, whether it is an album, a book, or whatever else. Nyght 23:05, May 28, 2004 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia naming convention is that "Titles of books, films and other works are also capitalized, except for minor words, e.g. A New Kind of Science, Ghost in the Shell.", which also as far as I know is the most common practice Skrim 18:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Melodic Black Metal and Symphonic black metal
Melodic black metal AND symphonic black metal are the two genres from the first emperor album, in the nightside eclipse. only symphonic black metal is mentioned and i think melodic black metal should be as much credited as that as it is symphonic black metal. if you look at the melodic black metal page, it states certain characteristics which all appear on in the nightside eclipse album. e.g. occasional clean vocals,atmospheric (NOT SYMPHONIC OR ORCHESTRATIONAL) sounds, not uncommon guitar solos. its all there. plus, if you didnt notice, EMPEROR IS LISTED ON THE NOTABLE MELODIC BLACK METAL BANDS PART of that page! because there is not a "reliable" source for them being melodic black metal, it is as much unreliable as symphonic black metal could be. the only source is from metal-archives. which is a byist website anyway. whoever keeps changing it and constantly getting rid of melodic black metal being listed on the page and thinking that its pure vandalism of the page, at least explain why you think its not right to be there. and ask many other people. look at all the comments! everyone is saying that theyr melodic black metal. so whoever wants to get rid of the edit again, have the decency to reply to this message! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Okram 09 (talk • contribs) 06:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Musician Names
I've moved the given names of the musicians to comments in the source. It's standard operating procedure in black metal not to call the musicians by their given names (starting with Quorthon, whose real name we still don't even know). Giving out Ihsahn's and Samoth's real names without warning is essentially a spoiler for fans of the band. I think many of us don't want to know what their "real names" are; in fact, for all intents and purposes, their stage names are their real names. Vivacissamamente


 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a black metal fan page. I vote for using the artists' real names in the article. --Rapunzel 06:09, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * You win. What I was doing was little better than deciding I didn't like English grammar and was going to change it. Thanks.

Quorthon's real name is Ace Börje Forsberg, it was written on his obituary. I also changed the description of Cradle of Filth from black metal to gothic metal. http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=24Ladysway1985


 * I say I don't want to know his given name, and in response you tell me. Thanks. Vivacissamamente


 * No, I responded to your statement that Quorthon's real name was not known. Don't bitch. As for Cradle of Filth, well, Flowing Tears, For My Pain, Lacrimus Profundere and others sound almost nothing like Tristania or Theatre of Tragedy, etc. Just as there are different kinds of metal, it is not unexpected that there are different kinds of gothic metal. Cradle of Filth's black metal influence is clear, but all in all that is not what they are. "Extreme gothic metal" is a fitting description in my opinion. So, enough with this. Ladysway1985

Genres
Cradle of Filth might belong to quite a few musical genres, but they are definitely not gothic metal! Sirenia, Theatre of Tragedy, Lacrimas Profundere, Xandria, To/Die/For and so many others are gothic metal, so please compare the sound of these bands with CoF and notice that this has absolutely no sense. You may write that they are a group of sell-out posers who think they are black metal despite not being, whatever, but they are not goth metal. --Sn0wflake 17:59, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


 * i see cradle of filth as more as melodic black metal than anything else. lol sellouts, so true.


 * Cradle of filth is not black metal, I thought that was a debate that ended some time ago. Why does it still appear as black metal, I agree gothic metal isn't their genre either, so there must be some genre they fit.Ptikobj 20:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * CoF is not melodic black metal AT ALL, and that is an insult! Bands like Rotting Christ are melodic black (on most of their releases).  CoF is not pure gothic metal, but there way of playing has many gothic metal elements.  I'd just call them extreme metal, but bad. 76.105.40.151 21:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, welcome to the Emperor discussion page. Take bitching about CoF's genre to that page. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 01:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

i have no idea why emperors genre is reffered to as "symphonic extreme metal". does that even exist? everyone knows they are a symphonic black metal band and also their old recordings were melodic black metal. i got complaints because i wrote a similar comment on the c.o.f. discussion page because their genre is debated very much. fair enough, i get that now. but emperor is not debated within their genre. the characteristics are there in their first album at least of melodic black metal, and of course, symphonic black metal. i just think that they should be labelled as a melodic black metal band and as a symphonic black metal band because they are. please someone on the site agree this fact so i can add (not change) the genre name as melodic black metal above or below symphonic black metal. this is correct, and there should not be any problems with it. it is at least more accurate than "extreme symphonic metal". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Okram 09 (talk • contribs) 10:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Cradle of Filth support
I just want to correct an error in the article... Emperor didnt support cradle of filth. CoF supported emperor.. www.emperorhorde.com  for confirmation. The official emperor site

Extreme symphonic metal
I'm confused...I don't see how "extreme symphonic metal" is anything but a broader term that encompasses "symphonic black metal". Do we really need to say "symphonic black metal" AND "extreme symphonic metal" on the genre listings? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PearlTheater (talk • contribs) 18:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

I agree. It seems completely unnecessary to mention "extreme symphonic metal" since it doesn't have it's own article and is two separate genres scrunched together. Zanders5k 20:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

It is necessary to have both because he band changed their style from Symphonic Black Metal to Symphonic Extreme Metal. Symphonic Extreme Metal is the equivalent of saying Symphonic Blackened Death Metal. Emperor did Change their style halfway through their career and there are sources that call them Symphonic Extreme Metal. It stays. --Sindelar 15:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Ehm but Emperor was creators of Melodic Black metal NOT Symphonic Black metal. Listen to ITNE, it was first melodic black metal release and there's NOTHING Symphonic about it. Also there's nothing sort of "death metal" about Emperor, NOT even in their later career. Growling vocals alone doesn't make it "death metal". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.23.199 (talk) 09:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Look, 'extreme symphonic metal' or 'symphonic extreme metal' or whatever are not real genres. They don't even have Wikipedia pages, and if you created them, I imagine they'd end up as AfD fodder pretty swiftly. Therefore there is no point whatsoever listing such illusory genres within the infobox when they're just going to get re-directed elsewhere. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 01:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

'Extreme symhponic metal' doesnt exist. whoever put it there did it cos they read the crappy genre name off metal-archives. it should NOT be listed there and it should be symhponic black metal AND melodic black metal (for in the nightside eclipse). the first album is melodic black metal and the rest are symphonic black metal and like it is mentioned by a few from the previous album, that with elements of progressive metal. someone tell me that they understand this so when i add (NOT CHANGE) melodic black metal to their genres list, it will not be changed. and for those who are complaining that theyre not, you have them listed on the melodic black metal page, so then there should be no problem changing the genre on their own page. also before i even joined wikipedia, i remember seeing melodic black metal listed on the emperor page. so i am not the only one. i also say that c.o.f. is melodic black metal on the first 3 albums too but their genre is debated so i am not going to get into that. but emperors genre IS NOT DEBATED. Okram 09 8 March 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 03:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

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What about?
What about the Call From the Grave Rehearsal release? I don't see that in the discography section... 76.105.40.151 21:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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Record Label
I see that In the Nightside Eclipse is noted as released under Roadrunner Records. To my knowledge Emperor has had no affiliation with Roadrunner and I am unable to find sources that prove me wrong. The band's official website cites the album being released under Candlelight Records and re-released by Candlelight and Century Media. Emperor was with Candlelight Records consistently for their primary studio releases, and seeing as how I can find no evidence of a connection with Roadrunner, citing it as such seems amiss.--Junked up (talk) 20:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not even sure Roadrunner was around when Nightside was released... Yeah, it sounds unrealistic. Without any sources, change it. ≈  The Haunted Angel  21:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Roadrunner certainly existed then (they've been around since at least the mid-80's i nfact) but without having any copies on hand, emperorhorde.com indicates that it's a Candlelight release and that's good enough for me. Thee darcy (talk) 19:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, my mistake then; although I wouldn't imagine Roadrunner signing a black metal band - at least not today's Roadrunner. I think the closest they get today is Cradle. ≈  The Haunted Angel  19:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Release formatting
It appears that using the album covers on this page has been deemed unacceptable, so I'm going to format the album section like the other releases. It's too bad but it'll look nicer this way. I guess we'll just have to learn to be happy with the more detailed info appearing on the album pages. Thee darcy (talk) 17:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

ItNE credits
Hoping to get some support here- every couple of months a whole bunch of BS gets added to the ItNE page about how the album was recorded at Samoth's home studio in Tromso, it was produced by Samoth, it was released on Roadrunner (see "Record Label" above), Ihsahn and Samoth were the only musicians who played on it, and so on... just keep an eye out for it if you can. I'm trying to stay on top of it but it's always anon IP users who seem unwilling to provide any source on the info their providing- info that contradicts the albumliner notes & the band website, but still, it'd be nice to see where this stuff is coming from.

Anyway. Just keep an eye out. Thee darcy (talk) 16:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Scholarship in or band contest around 1991?
In Det svarte alvor, Jon Jarle Haugen said that Emperor received some scholarship in 1991, and I also heard about some band contest Emperor participated in; unfortunately, I don’t know more about this. Who does? By the way, Haugen also said that Emperor’s fascination with Satanism wasn’t that special since Edvard Grieg wrote Til en hunndjevel, Klaus Egge wrote so-called Devil music and Faust also found his way into operas. --217 /83 18:42, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

“highly influential”
I can understand this edit, but this is not just opinion, at least not for Wrath of the Tyrant and In the Nightside Eclipse. There may be more bands copying Burzum and Darkthrone, but Emperor’s early work is highly influential. --217 /83 18:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * My suggestion is phrase it along the lines as "has been regarded as highly influential" with sources, preferably primary sources from bands (particularly prominent bands) themselves. Dark Prime (talk) 21:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that and also some journalists since some users might not accept the edits otherwise. --217 /83 19:49, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Timeline
Could we have a timeline showing major releases and members at the time (like in the pages Mayhem, Metallica and Slayer)? That is, if someone would be so kind... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vargtimmen (talk • contribs) 22:20, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Progressive Metal
i added Technical Black Metal to genres,because the Progressive style of their last album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GREYBOYY (talk • contribs) 14:31, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

"Controversy"?
Hi,

Why is the material on arson called a controversy? Doesn't that require some, well, controversy?

And why is it included at all? The ref is some weird fanblog, generally not RS and absolutely not for BLP material. T 85.166.162.8 (talk) 22:12, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

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