Talk:Empire State Building/Archive 2

Why does the sidebar claim it's 1,550 feet tall?
Someone please fix. Really embarrassing. Ok I fixed some of it, cba to fix the rest. The sidebar trivia stuff comes up as first and foremost on a mobile search by the way. I was curious about how long it's been wrong, and it turns out it's been a month.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.65.65 (talk) 07:26, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * ✅. The remainder are fixed.  The article was vandalized on Oct. 2 by an editor (subsequently blocked) who added 100 or 300 feet to each of the height figures, which went uncorrected until now. Good catch; thanks. Hertz1888 (talk) 08:36, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

1929 or 1930?
Both dates appear as beginning of construction. Chvsanchez (talk) 02:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

History incomplete
The building was acquired by Harry Helmsley in 1961. Valetude (talk) 10:42, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Incidents
There has been at least one serious fire. And there was a potentially catastrophic incident when a lift-cable sheared, and the lift plummeted down to 200 feet. One safety system after another failed, until the final backup. By chance, there were no tourists on board, but there were two staff. Valetude (talk) 10:45, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Bad reference
As of revision 312277217, the Suicide section has contained a reference to http://books.google.com/books?id=sAQOAAAAQAAJ&pg=PT30&lpg=PT30&dq=Elvita+Adams&source=bl&ots=Ap2kHjUeVa&sig=XgIS3PBjTRKa-w7ZJj5oMn5Jtzc&hl=en&ei=5E-kSpi7GZ6ntgeO9vHSDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=Elvita%20Adams&f=false. This seems to be a grammar book. Not sure if that link was originally to a different book. We need to either find the original book or remove that reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.219.156.29 (talk) 14:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


 * What is the date of that revision? The reference in question does not seem to be anywhere in the article now.  However, here's an additional reference of interest that could be added. Hertz1888 (talk) 15:15, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Should the floor count be labeled 103?
A while back there was a lengthy discussion over the floor count of the Empire State Building. There seemed to be interesting debate from both sides. When the building was erected, a disembarkation floor was built to tether airships to the spire. This is now commonly known as the 103rd floor. As of July 2015, the floor count is officially listed on the Wikipedia page as 102 floors and there is a separate paragraph explaining what is above that. Leoesb1032 (talk) 16:23, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * You are quite correct about the previous discussions regarding the 103rd floor. My own view is that the floor is there and the floor count should be 103, otherwise the paragraph about the 103rd floor looks strange. The references describe the floor and what is was originally intended for. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 17:04, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * What do the sources say? I saw this "fast facts" from CNN that says 103.  If this is the consensus in reliable sources, then we should go with that. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:11, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It depends on what sources you look at. I've seen some citing 102 or 103 as the tallest floor. Leoesb1032 (talk) 18:57, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


 * When the previous discussion took place, I mentioned two of the most commonly cited (WP-wide), and presumably most reliable sources, which apply standard definitions of architectural height, only to be told that we don't apply standards, "we let the sources we cite do that."  In the lead, currently, three sources in a row, all major and respected, do just that.  And they all say 102 stories. If a consensus is needed, that certainly looks like one to me. The section Empire State Building is indeed confusing and needs to be rewritten to indicate that the 103rd "floor" is not generally included in the floor count, and the reason(s) for that. Hertz1888 (talk) 20:45, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ehhhh. I think CNN is quite a bit more respected than "skyscraperpage.com".  The New York Times says 103 floors in this article.  On the other hand, it says 102 floors in this article.  So, why not just say "102 or 103 floors" and include an explanatory footnote?  Obviously, some high quality sources disagree with "skyscraperpage.com". NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:04, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If reliable sources disagree, our article should say so - and explain what the disagreement is about. We don't take a vote to ignore legitimate sources just because they contradict other sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I like the footnote idea. For now, I'll add it in but keep it labeled as 102 in the article. Leoesb1032 (talk) 12:47, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't believe we need an RfC for this. Wholly support NinjaRobotPirate's comments above. 102 or 103 with a relevant footnote and explanation. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 20:00, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What NinjaRobotPirate said. This is a no-brainer.  Too many arguments break out from either/or approaches when the best one in situations like this is a very simple "and".  "Some consider the ESB to have 102 floors, others that count the floor formerly used for disembarkation, arrive at 103".  Simple. Jytdog (talk) 00:11, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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Death count
The official death count during construction is 5, but I've read in a few sources the actual number is 20-30. Are there any good sources? BrotherSulayman (talk) 22:10, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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 * The 2003 holiday comedy film Elf features one of Santa's elves who learns of his true identity as a human and travels from the North Pole to New York City to meet his biological father, who works at the Empire State Building.

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 * Thanks for the suggestion, but this seems like a trivial passing reference to the building. We don't need to list every film or book that even mentions this building, or we'd have a gigantic list of neglibible value.  The whole pop culture section is in need of cleanup. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 06:34, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Mooring mast & floor count
The ESB does not have 102 physical floors. The 86th floor is the highest concrete floor in the ESB, while the interior of the mooring mast contains a long staircase & elevator shaft. Floors 88 through 100 do not physically exist. Think of it as a mini CN Tower atop a real building. You're not going to get reliable info from the Empire State Reality Trust, as floor count inflation works wonders for marketing purposes. But I feel this article should be updated to reflect the facts. 1WTC and 2WTC were the first buildings to have over 100+ real floors, and Willis Tower is the earliest 100+ story building to remain standing today. Aaaaaabbbbb111 (talk) 06:31, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) I've visited the ESB in person multiple times. When the mooring mast's elevator malfunctioned, visitors got redirected to the stairs, which made it apparent there weren't actual floors in that mast.
 * 2) See this cross section: http://www.interestingamerica.com/images/NY_images/Manhattan/Empire_State_Building/Empire_State_Building_Mooring_Mast_412_426.jpg
 * 3) The 86-102 elevator itself does not show floor numbers, but rather the number of feet above street level, from 1050' to 1250' in 25' increments.
 * As you may know, information in WP must be verifiable in reliable and secondary sources. Direct, personal experience does not qualify! The need for verification applies all the more so to controversial information, such as whatever contradicts existing sourced content. Perhaps you can find suitable published sources to back up your interpretation of floor counts.  However, it is possible that including equivalent height in floor counts may turn out to a legitimate practice; perhaps someone familiar with architectural standards can tell us whether that is so. If it is, than the widely-published number of stories, 102, has not been inflated by false marketing. Hertz1888 (talk) 01:00, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The floors in the mast do exist but they're only metal grills. If you drop something it might fall all the way through the mast until it reaches concrete. This is how they change the light bulbs inside that make it glow - walking on the grill. (I can't be sure that hasn't changed but it was like that at least part of the 21st century) I think the floors in the "pedestal" for the mast are solid (not sure) (86-90?) I'm pretty sure the deck without a terrace is the 101st floor. The floor above with a terrace is the 102nd floor. The tiny floor above that that looks like a hat would be the 103rd floor but I believe it doesn't count according to the CTBUH as elevator/broadcasting equipment/roof access penthouses don't count (observation deck is an acceptable use) Note that the 1250 feet in the elevator is the height of the roof so it exaggerates a little. The indoor observation floor is at 1212, the floor above that is about 1224. If you stand on your toes maybe your eyeballs are at 1230. That's it. 20 feet short (1280 feet above sea level) You'd need a source to put something in the article though. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:17, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

The building has 103 floors, not 102
There are tons of sources for this. Why is it still listed as 102 in the Lede? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Previously discussed (see both archives & section above). Statement in lede, with its explanatory note 2, is per editorial consensus. The ambiguity was recognized and has been dealt with. Hertz1888 (talk) 19:44, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. I've checked the archived RfC as well as the disucssions from previous concerns regarding the matter. The result of the RfC is that both floor counts should be included int he Lede, and not as a note. I'd suggest an edit to include the difference.
 * And frankly it seems kind of dumb not to include something that so very, very obviously exists. Just because the average person isn't allowed in the White House Situation Room doesn't suggest that it doesn't exist. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:35, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes but 103 is not accessible to the general public. It is no more a "floor" than the access space beneath the communication mast is a floor. In fact the section entitled "Above the 102nd floor" is written to the usual pisspoor standard that Wikipedia excels at. It's contradictory and makes stuff up. For example it's claimed the 103rd floor was for dirigible departures, but 1) there is no evidence that commercial flights were ever going to use the Empire State Building, 2) the source that is cited makes no mention to the purpose of floor 103. Also it conflates the floor itself with the balcony with the machine room - making it sound non-sensical when it states it's a "celebrity hotspot". Buy a properly edited book on the building if you want facts. 86.182.43.116 (talk) 13:13, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2017
Correct spelling of storey in the first sentence (currently spelled story) ThatDave R (talk) 21:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That is correct spelling for US English. RudolfRed (talk) 00:31, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Caption
The caption to the panoramic view ought to state whether it's a view over the Hudson or the East River. Valetude (talk) 07:18, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. Caption edited. View includes both rivers. Hertz1888 (talk) 10:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Why not use a better image of the building?


Cropped perhaps.

16:18, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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Under the ownership section the word "building" is misspelled as "buildign" it should be fixed to be spelled correctly. Zagduck (talk) 20:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)


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Additional information about Mohawk ironworkers
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I want to add more information about the Mohawk Ironworkers that are mentioned in the history/construction section. The two new paragraphs should follow: "The project involved more than 3,500 workers at its peak,[1] including 3,439 on a single day, August 14, 1930.[114] Many of the workers were Irish and Italian immigrants." here is my proposed edit:

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Mohawk Ironworkers from the Kahnawà:ke (Kahnawake) reservation also made up a sizable minority of those working on the construction of the Empire State Building. In fact, large portions of Kahnawà:ke Mohawks have practiced ironwork since 1880 and continue into the present. Today, about 200 Mohawk ironworkers are employed in the New York area, out of 2,000 structural ironworkers, according to the union. Most still travel home on weekends to Kahnawà:ke near the border of Canada and New York State by the St. Lawrence River.

Mohawk ironworkers have made significant contributions to American Cultural icons such as the Empire State Building. The role of Mohawk ironworkers from Kahnawà:ke in constructing the post-industrial skyline in New York City and across North America has been romanticized for decades. . Their image as “sky walkers” has lead to the idea that they have assimilated into United States culture (See Cultural assimilation of Native Americans). However, Mohawk people from Kahnawà:ke have historically “Insisted on being and acting as peoples who belong to an autonomous nation that is not the United States or Canada”

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Inflation adjusted price
When I use inflation calculators, I end up receiving a different value for the inflation adjusted price of the empire state building, usually in the ballpark of $500-600 million. http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ The above site puts the inflation figure at 1377.1% when comparing 1930 prices to 2016 prices, which would put the value of the empire state building at $600 million. 71.11.191.21 (talk) 05:11, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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Question
"The elevators were mechanically operated until 2011, when they were replaced with digital elevators during a $550 million elevator replacement project." I think the 550 million figure refers to the overall renovations not just the elevators. I think it should be rephrased. $550 million in elevators as a rule of thumb is just too much. Thank you Triplecaña (talk) 03:50, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed. That ranks as a typo, as the cited source says "final phase of a $550 million renovation project." (emphasis added) Hertz1888 (talk) 07:38, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I have fixed it. The $550 million building renovation is mentioned twice in the article. I must have misread it originally. epicgenius (talk) 17:28, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

English Stone
The building is partially clad in stone from the Wirral opposite Liverpool. This needs to be mentioned. https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC1TKDD_from-storeton-to-new-york?guid=bbd37570-eba2-466b-8b14-ef19338ad7ad  90.196.212.150 (talk) 14:55, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * While that's true, I don't know why this fact should be prioritized over anything else. The article already says the materials for the building came from far and wide, even with some examples. epicgenius (talk) 02:54, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It's also cited in the Storeton/Stourton Quarries article although apparently those quarries produced sandstone while the building is clad in limestone. CastWider (talk) 21:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Inaccuracy not borne out by cited reference
This text "370 short tons (330 long tons) of steel" is clearly wrong as it contradicts a previous statement that the building was constructed with over 57,000 tons of steel and that the exterior includes 730 tons of aluminum and steel. The word 'tons' only occurs twice in the cited article and neither has this weight of steel attached to it. This claim should be stricken. If the weight of steel is required then perhaps the previous value from earlier in the article should be used? Chann94501 (talk) 19:28, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I have fixed it. This was a typo (source does say 730 tons, rather than 370), compounded by a lack of clarity. Thanks for bringing this up. epicgenius (talk) 14:39, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2018
Grammar error / "extra" word: "Building was a for a" which should be "Building was for a" 128.234.24.244 (talk) 14:07, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
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Consignement
Take note that this aricle is only useful if useful information is provided. Citing other notables leaves little doubt that the article is anywhere near acurate. As for lodging and business done there, be mindful of the stasis at which ownership takes place, then feel free to restablish or establish your opion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:DFC0:6:7D8F:2108:C1D9:2C07 (talk) 00:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

New Entrance
A series of recent edits modified the building's address from 350 Fifth Avenue, to 20 West 34th. In reviewing the source, as well as several others, I believe the 34th Street address is the observatory entrance only and not the building's official entrance or address. Tenants will still enter at 350 Fifth. In support of this proposition: 1) Empire State Realty Trust, which owns the building, still shows the address at 350 Fifth. Empire Realty Trust-Empire State Building; 2) Various news reports also identify the 34th Street location as the observatory entrance. 6SqFt: Empire State Building Reveals its New Deco Inspired Obvservatory Entrance. Finally, while the source the editor provided doesn't itself specify it as just the observatory entrance, it alludes to it: "Beginning Thursday, visitors to the 87-year-old building will enter at 20 West 34th St., around the corner from the old 350 Fifth Ave. entrance". It indicates this is the visitor entrance. This would be, presumably, in contrast to the tenant entrance. Malkin said, "Our leadership in innovation continues with this transformative reinforced of our entrance, the first phase of the completely new Observatory experience”, which also seems to imply the entrance relates to the observatory. I'm pretty convinced 350 is still the address of the building. Anyone feel otherwise?  ButtonwoodTree (talk) 18:15, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, according to the Department of Buildings, both 350 Fifth Avenue and 20 W 34th Street are correct. I will clarify this in the article shortly. epicgenius (talk) 20:03, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Empire State Building 417 yards high, Former 1 World Trade Center 417 meters high
It should be pointed out that the height of the Empire State Building of 1,250 feet is converted to 417 yards high. 'Coincidentally', the Former 1 World Trade Center which replaced the Empire State Building as the tallest building in the world was 417 meters high. 129.171.233.86 (talk) 21:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

The floors in the mooring mast. Real floors?
Everyone says that the ESB has 102 floors. The 86th floor is the highest concrete floor in the building, while the interior of the mooring mast contains a long staircase & elevator shaft. The floors in the mast do exist but they're only metal grills. If you drop something it might fall all the way through the mast until it reaches concrete. This is how they change the light bulbs inside that make it glow - walking on the grill. Are these metal grills floors REAL FLOORS? If the answer is yes, then it is right to say that the ESB has 102 floors and that the 1 World Trade Center tower has 104 floors etc....I think that it is an important question.


 * The 87th is solid because it's the roof of the 86th. All the 80s might be solid, indoor observatory might be 102 after all. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

However also in this photo (https://www.pinterest.it/pin/49680402110543264/) the real floors seem to be max 97. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.98.190.131 (talk) 01:53, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That may have been the 1930s. It'd be inconvenient to have to climb a ladder to change some of those light bulbs. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:10, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2019
Storeys is spelled wrongly (written as "Stories" in the article) Jacksonmahr1 (talk) 09:57, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * As this is an article about an American topic, Wikipedia uses American spelling - "stories." An article on a British subject would use "storeys."  Acroterion   (talk)   12:04, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * just to expand a bit, one of our site style guides is WP:ENGVAR, which says we should use whatever national spellings are appropriate for the article subject. Both spellings are "correct" in certain contexts or nationalities (just like you will find either "color" or "colour" used in different articles). DMacks (talk) 14:27, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the info, I understand, although you really need to pick one style - this might be OK for buildings in America, but how do you determine this for people? If you write an article about an American citizen, then that person moves to the UK and gets British citizenship, do you change the style? What if your article is about a french company that is taken over by a German company?

If an American author is writing an article about a Danish soccer player who lives in and plays for a team in Spain? When if a British author adds more info the the article? These are different languages and countries, so if you're describing the colour of his hair do you spell the colour with or without a U? I'm confused by who determines appropriateness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacksonmahr1 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If there's no clear-cut "identity", then it's based on however the article was first written. Because neither one is "wrong"--just "not what you're used to seeing, depending where you are from"--there could never be a consensus for a universal choice for wikipedia as a whole. So WP has consensus not to take sides (neither a preference overall, nor an allowance for switching once an article exists) for articles that do not have national ties. See that ENGVAR link for the full guideline. DMacks (talk) 16:10, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2019
Add to 'In popular culture' section:

The 1767-piece LEGO Architecture Set, Empire State Building (Set Number 21046) is a model of this building, released in 2019. HomeImprover (talk) 16:07, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That section is only a very brief overview, and I don't think this is significant enough for inclusion in that overview. I see you've already added this information to Empire State Building in popular culture, where it's a much better fit. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 16:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Mistakes. Inconsistency within Wikipedia. Empire is 7th in NYC and 9th in USA.
First paragraph of intro, penultimate sentence:

"As of 2019, the building is the seventh-tallest building in New York City, the sixth-tallest completed skyscraper in the United States, and the 45th-tallest in the world. It is also the sixth-tallest freestanding structure in the Americas. "

Should be 7th in NYC and 9th overall in USA according to the NYC and US tallest buildings articles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_New_York_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_New_York_City — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.208.153 (talk) 00:49, 7 February 2020 (UTC)


 * There is no inconsistency. It's still the sixth tallest completed building in the US. Central Park Tower, 111 West 57th, and One Vanderbilt are still under construction. epicgenius (talk) 02:52, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2020
Please add the following to the History - 21st Century section "On 20th July 2014, The Empire State Building was awarded platinum level Wired Certification from WiredScore on account of its digital connectivity." WiredScore (talk) 15:32, 25 March 2020 (UTC)


 * ❌. Unsourced, promotional. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 15:48, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2020
pls add or if you can fix the grammar, thank you. Write "On March 2020 during 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, The building glare a red light for intended to thank emergency workers and people on New York were anxiety and panic when the glaring light appears thinking that the country might be in emergency. " 134.249.159.83 (talk) 10:49, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


 * ❌. It's difficult to even decipher what you mean exactly. However, this is just a facet of the current domination of the news cycle and doesn't really belong in the article anyway. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 15:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Empire State Building is 417 yards (416.66) high
This article should include the Empire State Building's height in yards: 417 (416.66). 'Coincidentally', the former 1 World Trade Center was 417 meters tall. 73.85.203.14 (talk) 15:34, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * We'd need a reliable source reference to help us see the significance of this coincidence. Humans are primed to see patterns that are coincidences, but "fun facts trivia" aren't really in scope for an encyclopedia. DMacks (talk) 15:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Years of tallest building.
As of doing some work on the swedish version I found that the years of being the tallest building was different in the english and swedish infobox. I did some reesearch and it seems to me that the problem has to do with the definition wich seems unclear. Is it antenna, no antenna, does only completed buildings count? For instance, here is one source (at least i regard reuters as a good one) suggenting the final year to be 1972 opposed to wikipedias 1970. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-worldtradecenter-newyork/empire-state-building-about-to-lose-status-as-tallest-in-nyc-idUSBRE83N1FZ20120424 Maybe it is only unclear to me, but it may be worth a mention, or at least a discussion here if there are people more invested and knowlegeble in the subject than me. Tobbe s 97 (talk) 10:40, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Note that the page History of the tallest skyscrapers says 1972, as well as the italian version (at the very bottom) witch is considered a good article. Tobbe s 97 (talk) 11:56, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , the other articles are wrong. 1972 is the topping out date for the entire World Trade Center complex. However, the height of the first WTC tower passed that of the Empire State Building in 1970, despite not being complete. The roof height of the first WTC tower, at 1,368 feet, is taller than the entirety of the Empire State Building. The other articles seem to mention only completed buildings. epicgenius (talk) 14:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2020
Page says "The Empire State Building stood as the world's tallest building until the construction of the World Trade Center in 1970; following the its collapse in the September 11, 2001 attacks, the Empire State Building was again the city's tallest skyscraper until 2012."

Should be: "The Empire State Building stood as the world's tallest building until the construction of the World Trade Center in 1970; following its collapse in the September 11, 2001 attacks, the Empire State Building was again the city's tallest skyscraper until 2012. 2601:281:8100:6B40:8049:FF45:C306:F190 (talk) 04:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks. ɱ  (talk) 05:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

136.49.211.114 (talk) 17:51, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi protected edit request
I think that the caption "The building, tallest in New York, from 2001 to 2012, seen here in 2010" is confusing. Could it be changed to "The building, which was the tallest building in New York from 2001 to 2012, is seen here in 2010"? Thanks. 136.49.211.114 (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Airships in sky near almost-completed Building
This photo is in the article: File:Zeppelin bij Empire State Building in aanbouw - Zeppelin near the Empire State Building under construction (6943970242).jpg. From Netherlands archive.
 * Copyright is fine, I just want to know if it is a true photo, not altered to show airships in the sky. - - Prairieplant (talk) 22:42, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Even if it is, it's fine. I added the photo to the article to show the building under construction; if proven to be doctored at the time it only adds intrigue to the image, a historic artifact to show what was important at the time. ɱ  (talk) 23:49, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2021
In the first paragraph the article states "As of 2020, the building is the seventh-tallest building in New York City, the ninth-tallest completed skyscraper in the United States, the 48th-tallest in the world, and the fifth-tallest freestanding structure in the Americas". This however should read either ..."sixth-tallest freestanding structure in the Americas, or "fifth-tallest freestanding structure in the United States", as the CN Tower in Toronto Canada is taller (as shown on the currently linked wiki page) making it the 6th tallest free standing structure in the Americas. BCArmillaria (talk) 03:35, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 07:00, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Setbacks don't make sense
33rd and 34th Streets were 2 times districts and 60 and 100 feet wide. Fifth was a 1 and quarter times district and 100 feet wide. So it should be 10 and 10.416 average office floors for 33rd and 5th and 16.6667 on 34th. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC) Or 10 and 16 in whole numbers, maybe 17 if you make them a few inches short. Or 12 and 20 if you make them average residential floor height. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:45, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Empire State Building 417 yards high & 1 World Trade Center 417 meters high Encodes Jesus Birthday of 4/17 (6 BC)
This needs to be added to this article... "Freemasons encode everything" - two programs on History Channel The Empire State Building is 1250 feet/417 yards high. This encodes Jesus' actual Birthday of Saturday/Sabbath 4/17/6 BC (see astronomer http://MichaelMolnar.com ). 'Coincidentally', the original 1 World Trade Center North Tower was 1,368 feet/417 meters high as is the new 1 World Trade Center minus its 408 feet antenna/tower. Otherwise, 1 WTC/'Freedom Tower' is symbolically 1,776 feet high. 2601:589:4800:9090:1835:E368:900E:D8C3 (talk) 22:18, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You're going to need to provide a source to indicate that it was done on purpose, not by sheer coincidence.  Acroterion   (talk)   22:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2021 U.S.S. Los Angeles
The U.S.S. Los Angeles or the ZR-3 was a rigid airship built by the Zeppelin company in Germany it was NOT a blimp..... 2600:6C50:757F:F257:A9E4:83C5:1623:4D7A (talk) 03:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌. Read the image caption again. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 06:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

This isn't the first "Empire State Building" in town
640 Broadway had the same name. &#91;&#91;User:Rickyrab2&#124;Rickyrab (2nd account)!&#93;&#93; &#124; &#91;&#91;Talk:Rickyrab2&#124; yada yada yada&#93;&#93; (old page: &#91;&#91;User:Rickyrab&#93;&#93;) (talk) 08:37, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * "640 Broadway[2] was called the Empire State Bank Building in honor of the property's former tenant." Similar, but not identical. Firebrace (talk) 21:32, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Height
"As of 2020, the building is the seventh-tallest building in New York City, . . . and the sixth-tallest freestanding structure in the Americas." I assume that this is due to some mix of measurement criteria (with or without mast, etc.) but it needs explanation in the text or else it is nonsense. Cross Reference (talk) 02:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2021
The link for citation 42 is broken and needs to be fixed. The correct link cannot be easily found and a new citation is likely needed. Brittneyr (talk) 22:19, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Citation 42 seems to work fine. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:00, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2021
Change "Pfer" to "Per" in the third sentence of the section entitled "Structural Features".

Per the final specifications of the building, the corridor is surrounded in turn by office space 28 feet (8.5 m) deep, maximizing office space at a time before air conditioning became commonplace. MPascale (talk) 23:34, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Deaths in construction
There are two references to 42 deaths. Do both claim the 42 is wrong? Can someone provide copies of the relevant pages? 151.210.135.51 (talk) 06:53, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Notes and references
I don't think it's really necessary to have three or four top-level headers about notes and references. There was previously 1 top-level header for that topic, in addition to the 9 top-level headers for the rest of the article; these edits created two and three more, respectively. Footnotes are considered a subset of references, per MOS:NOTES, so they should be treated accordingly. There's no reason why notes, citations, and sources should all have their own header, since they are part of the same thing, like the exterior and interior design sections. (However, I see MOS:NOTES indicates that further reading is indeed not part of references, so I have left that as its own section.) – Epicgenius (talk) 00:09, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed that sources, bibliography, and notes are generally placed as subsections of the "References" section on Wikipedia, and should be here, while "Further reading" should be placed outside that section. ɱ  (talk) 00:54, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Are some parts of the Empire State Building actually clad in sandstone from Wirral, UK?
Was Storeton Sandstone from the Wirral, UK used for some small parts of the Empire State building or is this an urban myth? The Higher Bebington White Freestone Quarry - which closed in 1959 - was the last producer of this fine quality lighter sandstone. This highly regarded stone from the Storeton area had been quarried since the Roman period. Sources state the outside of the Empire State building was clad in Indiana Limestone (which makes commercial sense because it's cheaper to transport overland by rail the majority of building materials than transshipping it across continents), without mention of any Cheshire stone being used (or was the amount so small sources ignore this because it was negligible amount?).

Doing a search for details behind this fact shows it is repeated many times, however, what is never revealed (aside from it being said to have been used) is where it was actually put? Or how much was ordered? I like to think this is true but there is no hard evidence aside from saying it was used, which is frustrating. Are there any Empire State manifests that could show the ordering details for the building's construction? 146.200.202.126 (talk) 10:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

re 'Elevators'
" ... mechanically operated ... "? Aren't all elevators in bldgs? Should the wordage be 'manually operated'? 149.20.203.67 (talk) 22:10, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2023
Can someone add, under the light show section, about the controversy about showing Eagles colors after their win the AFC champsionshop? Source: https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/empire-state-building-lights-eagles-green-colors-fans-reaction-new-york-super-bowl 98.113.8.17 (talk) 20:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Not done: not a significant event over the building's long-term history. ɱ  (talk) 20:45, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Really? It seemed to have received a substantial media blowup, and it seems appropriate. (I’d add it to the NFL playoff article expect they don’t seem to have an “aftermath” section. --98.113.8.17 (talk) 20:55, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Nope. This is so stupid. Who cares? A one-night color change in support of the wrong team in a sports game. So? ɱ  (talk) 21:00, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:25, 31 January 2023 (UTC)