Talk:Empty Orchestra

Songs

 * Human League - Don't You Want Me
 * Whigfield - Saturday Night
 * Elaine Paige, Barbara Dickson - I Know Him So Well
 * Wham - Wham Rap! (Enjoy What You Do)
 * Rainbow - Since You've been Gone
 * Yazoo - Only You
 * David Guetta (Featuring Sia) - Titanium

Deaf
Wikipedia style doesn't capitalize "Deaf" (or "Black", etc.), even though other styles do. See MOS:CAPS. -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:55, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Could you point to the part of that guideline you are referring to? Searching for "deaf" and "black" reveals nothing relevant. As I have said before, I am not completely set on the capitalisation, and I am open to working out some kind of compromise. As I see it, the considerations in favour of capitalisation appear to be the following: 1) Respecting the self-identity of the actor in question; 2) Following the cited source; 3) Following area-specific norms (i.e., it seems to be acceptable, if not mandatory, to use Deaf when referring to the Deaf culture in Deaf studies). 4) Erring on the side of caution when it comes to writing about a minority group. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:07, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The lede: "Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization. In English, capitalization is primarily needed for proper names, acronyms, or for the first word of a sentence. Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is a proper name; words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in sources are treated as proper names and capitalized in Wikipedia." And there's no exception made for "Deaf". I found where it was briefly discussed there: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters/Archive 20. There are sources for Empty Orchestra that also use "deaf". -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:16, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is a proper name": And it seems like the sources are in disagreement about whether Deaf (referring to "member of the Deaf culture") is a proper noun, so the guidelines are hardly as clear-cut on this matter as you take them to be. Two further thoughts: 1) I think your certainty that it is inappropriate to use Black is misplaced. 2) I don't deny that some sources use deaf when talking about the character/actress in "Empty Orchestra", but I do deny that they are by Deaf people talking about their own self-identity. Ultimately: I don't think there's much to be gained by arguing about this, so if you definitely feel that it's absolutely completely necessary to decapitalise, I won't revert you. But I'm not going to do it myself. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:33, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't say it was inappropriate. I said that Wikipedia doesn't, per its style guide. You've already reverted me without discussion, so you have already definitely acted as if it's absolutely completely necessary to capitalize. -- JHunterJ (talk) 21:08, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * And I said that your interpretation of the style guide was not as obvious as you take it to be. I note that there has been discussion, so your characterisation of my revert is unfair- you can see discussion at the GA review above and elsewhere. Even if there was none, my actions would have been consistent with the usual bold, revert, discuss cycle. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:20, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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<!-- Actually went to a Kareoke booth in London; in a basement. Not to sing, to have a look. Rooms very small; smaller than in the episode. "How the hell am I going to spend half an hour in this room?"- Steve

Set up the ultraviolet light.

Reece: Talked about doing a musical. Thought about writing a traditional one. Forgives it being a musical. Conceit: Tell the story through the songs. Steve: Wishes there wasn't as much dialogue. Reece: But reality of this difficult to maintain.

Reece: Hard work week, relentless replaying. But hysterical. Hadland/Outhwaite knew each other, but had not worked with Reece/Steve before. Immediate party atmosphere.

Last one they wrote in the series. A lot of uncomfortable episodes; wanted to do one more lighthearted that felt different.

Studio; Shepherton.

Each song has its own look with different lights.

Howlett: Auditioned. Want to see the events of the night through her eyes. Situation a nightmare for many anyway, but even more so for a deaf person. Not the victim. Asked Howlett what her experience would be, and that's why character turns off hearing aid.

Wrote character with Javone Prince in mind. Didn't know he was a massive MJ fan.

Wanted characters in fancy dress thought visually would add another layer.

Difficult decision: What is Howlett's character hearing? Needed to make a decision about sound. And not just from Howlett's POV. Believable music: far from Glee.

Reece's suit not inflatable; constant sound of air. Final one just padded foam.

Had to record vocals without any music, so characters wore earpieces.

Didn't want to have the situation where music "dips conveniently". Always had to shout dialogue over music.

Emily helped with the idea of "listening" by touching.

Hotel Babylon; Steve worked with her.

ALways some darkness; cruelty.

Six characters one room. Lots of stories. Guillem storyboarded. Challenge to direct. Small space, continuity issues.

All dancing choreagraphed by cast.

UK songwriters; certainly not American, can't get rights. Difficulty: Which song for which character. Steve heard his song on radio; didn't immediately make connection, but it stuck in his head.

Sides came off room to allow cameras.

Strap-on-Sally, Ride 'em Girl. Steve's character. Simple costume; glasses, hair done slightly differently.

At end: Happy endings for the nice people, nasty people have been punished.

Knew Him So Well: Purest example of the original plan.

Howlett counted in by Tamsin. In post-production, put Howlett's singing out; originally, she was "too good", too much on the beat.

Not a twist- a surprise. Don't need to have a twist.

Hen do; last day. "They were brilliant". They were thrilled to just dance to the song all day. Original idea was to have Janet sing Titanium, but that would be "a little bit too convenient".

Bryony volunteered to be the person who "liked the silver fox".

Steve: Most fun week of all the series (but not for Reece). All wanted to be the most fun cast.

"When do we ever do anything romantic?" Steve.

Didn't have an ending really- worked it out with Howlett. Reece: "very moving", "sweeter" than might be expected.

Steve: Thought people might imagine that the kareoke booth was hell. -->