Talk:Empty nose syndrome

why did they decide to call the condition empty nose syndrome
Hello why did they decide to call the disease empty nose syndrome as it is an odd name

Why these doctors decided to call the disease empty nose syndrome should be included in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.94.255 (talk) 15:43, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it's quite self-explanatory from "Empty nose syndrome has been observed to affect a small proportion of people who have undergone surgery to the nose or sinuses, particularly those who have undergone turbinectomy (a procedure that removes some of the bones in the nasal passage)." Dubbin u &#124; t &#124; c 16:38, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * It was named by one Doctor, Eugene Kern, M.D. of Mayo Clinic. Previously, the symptom complex was known as secondary atrophic rhinitis. "Empty nose syndrome (ENS) was originally named in 1994 by Dr. Eugene Kern to describe a combination of symptoms suffered by some patients who had received a partial and/or total middle and/or inferior turbinectomy (removal of part or all of structures that attach to the side wall of those nose and filter and humidify the air we breathe). He described patients who suffered from severe nasal dryness and crusting, and a sense of nasal obstruction despite enlarged nasal airway passages." It has always clearly been associated with nasal surgery and in particular turbinate reduction surgery. Its prevalence in the 1990s was a result of the resurgence of the "total turbinectomy" in the 1970's which gained popularity until the sequalae were identified. Total turbinectomy is informally condemned by the ENT profession in the U.S.ZebraEquus (talk) 19:20, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

It was called Empty Nose Syndrome by Dr. Kern snd the name stick. Not all with ENS have an empty nose so it’s not ideal. If we ever succeed in getting icd it will likely be more like turbinate dysfunction - right inferior. But we aren’t there yet so no point updating to that level. Azariah Anna (talk) 04:56, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Wrong information
There have been several advances in screening airflow as done at osu in ohio. Measuring the effects of air flow of ens patients is currently being conducted. Onelove25 (talk) 21:51, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Changes to referenced text
has made a considerable number of changes to article text without providing citations to justify their changes. I've requested that they provide citations to justify their edits, and, in the meantime, reverted the changes until that is done. -- The Anome (talk) 10:48, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Misquoting of article
There is an error in this section. Minor procedures: submucosal cautery, submucosal resection, laser therapy, turbinate outfracture, septoplasty, hump reduction and cryosurgery.

I have the full text of the article. This is what it actually says. Please update and remove the procedures not supported in the literature such as septoplasty and hump reduction. Only surgeries and procedures involving the turbinates can cause ENS. Please reference Dr. Houser’s article accurately “ Although total turbinate excision is most frequently the cause of ENS, lesser procedures (eg, submucosal cautery, submucosal resection, cryosurgery) to reduce the turbinates may cause problems as well if performed in an overly aggressive manner.” Two of the ENS type patients in this series underwent laser turbinate reduction, which necessarily destroys overlying mucosa to reach the targeted underlying vascular tissue.

Thank you - coadmin of ENS awareness forum with Dr. Houser. 173.215.80.203 (talk) 05:01, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I went ahead and created an account and fixed this in the Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azariah Anna (talk • contribs) 04:51, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Suggested improvements
I edited this article quite a bit in the top sections for clarity and readability. I don't know about this subject so have refrained from making new statements. I wanted to suggest some improvements for future editors or those who are more knowledgeable about ENT: Pingnova (talk) 22:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Briefly describe how the nose works and why it's important, which will make it easier to understand the rest of this article
 * Include explanation for each argument: what exactly professionals argue for or against psychosomatic
 * Explanation about turbinate surgeries specifically, since it seems those surgeries and this syndrome are linked in being controversial
 * History of the syndrome
 * Search for updated sources, most seem to be circa 2016 and I am commenting in 2023, presumably there has been more research
 * A section on patient advocacy around ENS and any wider cultural awareness

ICD code (or lack there of)
It's technically inacurate to claim there is no ICD code, when it's a dedicated code that's lacking – and very few conditions have dedicated codes. I have therefore altered the sentence in the lead, and added symptom codes from ICD11 and ICD10 to medical resources after skimming the article. Other codes may become appropriate as research continues. Little pob (talk) 17:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)