Talk:Endgame (Megadeth album)

References citing Megadeth forum
Any references citing http://forums.megadeth.com as their source should be removed, because you can't view any such pages without registering as a member to the forum. Oddity- (talk) 03:34, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

However, it's in there and it's no crap. Every week more and more up-to-date information is released in the Megadeth Forum. I don't know why we should keep the information just inside the forum and don't bring it to an open platform where you don't have to register. Fairness versus sources? Erm... yes... -- Icaras (talk) 09:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Headcrusher image
Rationale has been provided for the Headcrusher image; a rationale that could be found on virtually any music-related page. I strongly protest the either inexcusable incompetence or fait accompli manipulation of the WP system to make deletion of images as simple as waiting to see if anyone cares, that this represents. You will remove the caption from the image; it is the least you can do. Anarchangel (talk) 22:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Deleted possible vandalism
I've deleted a "review" of the album that I am pretty sure was vandalism. For the record, part of the text was:
 * I’m getting slightly aroused just thinking about it. When all is said done, it’s a clincher. Even if you totally disagree with everything else I’ve said, you will soon succumb to the undeniable truth that Endgame is better than Death Magnetic and that, therefore, Megadeth in 2009 are better than Metallica in 2009. You can’t argue with science. And I am a scientist, aren’t I? You can tell by the way I sometimes wear glasses when I watch telly and I occasionally seem a bit awkward in social situations. I’m the heavy metal Johnny Ball. I’m King Diamond in a lab coat. I’ve just written three and a half thousand words of this rubbish. That’s how much I like Megadeth. Good day to you."

And the blog that was used as a reference for this text had been deleted by Google Blogs anyways. But this sort of thing really didn't fit on a Wiki page. Oddity- (talk) 23:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That is a review from a Metal Hammer reviewer, which even though is official, probably shouldn't be on Wikipedia (as much as I agree with it :P) - Scottzar (talk) 23:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Radio Show Announcement
The second paragraph under the 'Singles' category seems to be quite unrelated for this article. Granted it is relevant to the articles about Dave Mustaine or even Megadeth, I removed it from the article about Endgame. If somebody really feels that it's still needed, here it is: As of July 9th 2009, Dave Mustaine wrote an update their official website : "I am excited to tell you that we are starting a new thing here at Megadeth.com . . . its Megaman Radio! Er, well, not exactly Megaman radio, more like Megaman has his own radio show and you can soon listen to it!! My first goal is to get 100,000 listeners a week, and I am going to do stuff that the other guys won't, and that is go into a studio and take your live calls on air and they will be repeated whenever the program repeats itself. I am also going to find rare stuff to play for you, and old interviews of mine as well. I even think I am going to be able to get Shawn Drover to come on once in a while and give me the Full-on Thrash report."

Endgame artwork, anyone got it?
Does anyone that is a member of the Megadeth fanclub have the album artwork for Endgame, and if, could you possibly put it up? A Powerful Weakness (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)A Powerful Weakness

Sorry
As far as i know the endgame artwork shouldn't be posted yet... so i removed it. If I am mistaken please do repost it. 71.133.4.28 (talk) 04:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Current Image
The current image is very aliased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mytomanen (talk • contribs) 08:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Update to higher res
I cannot update yet because i am not autoconfirmed. Here is the image of the best resolution for this album. http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7793/79c435cbc813060d8e7c4be.jpg 00:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No need for a hi res image here in Wikipedia, low res is enough. Conservoman (talk) 06:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Album Cover.
Does anyone have any background info about the story behind the album art is. or does anyone know what the art means this is another album excluding vic rattlehead and is the first to have a border. im just wondering if anyone knows its meaning or how its relevant to the album title or songs in the album. thanks, an answer to this would be a good contribution to the article for sure —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.186.233 (talk) 19:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Prepare
As we can see with the Head Crusher page, it's constantly vandalised by random IPs. I assume that this upcoming album will be Heavy/Thrash (i don't know yet) but we might experience genre vandalising after the album release in this page as well. I think that after the first wave of vandalism (if it'll happen, which is likely) we should not wait (like we did with HC) and semi protect it immediately. Conservoman (talk) 19:45, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Funny how you were the one vandalizing the page after all when you accused many people of being inferior because they were "random IPs." You have the ideals of Wikipedia all wrong. - Scottzar (talk) 18:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Better to stick to discussion about the article and not about the IP vandals and sockpuppets who keep messing with the infobox of the song. If any IPs or socks tamper with the page they will be blocked. The Real Libs-speak politely 23:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There shouldn't be too much worry over sockpuppets and vandals. Now that the album is out on the tiles and everyone has heard it there should be no pov push to scream that the album is a pure "thrash" album. Its just like every album the band has released since Rust... Primarily heavy metal with some hard rock and a few snippets of their thrash metal origins. Fill in the box now I guess... heavy metal, hard rock, thrash metal... in that order. As per always the genre listed on Allmusic is Pop/Rock. Bet that still won't stop the trolls from using it as a reference for something else. As a reference it can be negated now. The Real Libs-speak politely 01:26, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

The whole leak issue
Leave the fact that the album has been leaked out of the article until it has been given a proper release. Letting others know that an album has been leaked can horribly impact the sales of the record 01:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC) Rattleglans —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rattleglans (talk • contribs)

The album HAS leaked. That's the truth. Let wikipedia be uncensored. Deathmagnetic08 (talk) 07:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Rattleglans. - Scottzar (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You agree with yourself? That's a good thing. As for the topic. The information can be added if it is referenced. GripTheHusk (talk) 19:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow dude, I'm not a sock puppet. I know Rattleglans from the Megadeth forums. I'm not him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottzar (talk • contribs) 20:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Source: [Link removed.] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.13.158.2 (talk) 13:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * See, this is what i mean. You just posted the damn link to the album leak. User:Rattleglans 02:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah... that's funny
So... how the hell would I be skottzar. We both are involved in a discussion on Headcrusher(a megadeth song) and Endgame (a megadeth album)... and never have been logged in on the same IP... and i doubt even in the same country... Fuck. This site is full of so much arrogance and bullshit. First of all mr. Deathmagnetic08, of course you won't give a shit about album sales... you are a fucking metallica fanboy. Wikipedia is a free service and shouldn't promote stealing music. Everybody in wikipedia doesn't give a fuck about the content. They just care of its validity. That's the truth. Let wikipedia be uncensored. Just because there is corn in my shit the day after i eat fucking corn, doesn't mean it needs to be in the "corn" page on wikipedia and let everyone know. Wikipedia has become such a negative service lately because you have people who have no interest in the subject they are editing, they just go along and defend themselves with hypocritic statements. User:Rattleglans 02:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, whether censoring or uncensoring Wikipedia, accept that the album has leaked worldwide (Wikipedia isn't the only way to know this jajajajaja). The corn example is stupid, you don't even think the leak stuff is very relevant comparing the corn in your shit? Yeah, I accept that people should buy the album, but just think how the album is going to be sold being right now the most waited by Megadeth and seeing the amount or fans in the world that want to have the album, so wait to see how many copies are going to be sold, despite its leaking. Really, the leaking of the album isn't your problem and isn't going to affect you (anyway you going to hear it).

P.D.:Aclaring; whatever you going to response, you won't stop the leaking.

44 minutes
It's strange how the album is 44 minutes and 43 seconds. Does this have anything to do with the song 44 minutes? Somebody should do a research. 91.82.215.238 (talk) 17:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

The song is about the North Hollywood shootout Danhgilmore (talk) 12:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't know maybe its a coincidence,It is pretty hard to plan every 11 songs to be the perfect length for that I searched it up but did not find anything nice question--BloodofHeroes (talk) 14:37, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Small question
Isn't heavy supposed to be before thrash? Conservoman (talk) 19:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thrash is somewhat of a nickname for the genre Thrash Metal, so the answer is no. JRC3 (talk) 17:23, 27 February 2010

Erm, the album has been released in the UK
The album has been released in the UK, so why not replace this: "Endgame is the upcoming twelfth studio album" with "Endgame is the twelfth studio album"?Liquinn (talk) 14:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

National Album Positioning Charts?
Not sure if this info is real or made-up to appear factual, but I haven't been able to find the source referenced, and information like this is on every Megadeth album page with no citation. Citation might help if the site in question can be found... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.119.236.119 (talk) 23:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Propsed Move
Rise Against will soon release an album also titled Endgame. Move this article to Endgame (Megadeth album)?
 * I'll return to this after Rise Against has released their album. As it is most likely that Rise Against's album will be more successful and notable, it would only make sense though. Jasper420 04:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm just going to do it. Jasper420 05:34, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Genre?
I don't see any reputed people saying anything about the genre, so, with my own personal observations, I say, isn't there more Heavy metal in Endgame than Thrash metal? The songs '44 Minutes', 'Bite the Hand', 'Bodies', 'Endgame' and 'How the Story Ends' all have Heavy metal bodies with the ends sped up, and categorized as Thrash metal. And 'This Day We Fight' is Thrash Metal, but heavy enough to be categorized as Heavy Metal as well, the inverse version of this being true for 'The Right to Go Insane'. Should I set this as 'Heavy metal, thrash metal'?117.195.60.29 (talk) 12:32, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Does it really matter that much? Both terms are there, so just leave it as is.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 13:17, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

It matters, because the primary genre is heavy metal, and the terms are to be placed in the order of their prominence. 'Headcrusher is listed as 'Thrash metal, heavy metal', and if you've heard it, you'll know that it is drastically different from 'How the Story Ends', which is rightly categorized as 'Heavy metal, thrash metal' with a heavy metal body, and just a small thrash metal bridge.2002:75C3:2F84:0:0:0:75C3:2F84 (talk) 11:36, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Here's why it should be thrash metal only:
 * About.com - Endgame cements the legendary thrash band’s current relevancy.
 * AllMusic - Megadeth working primarily within their technical thrash comfort zone.
 * BBC Music - Mustaine and new guitarist Chris Broderick trading thrash riffs at a ridiculously high pace. 44 Minutes demonstrate their commitment to pushing the modern metal envelope, not through the employment of any flashy tricks or gimmicks, but by perfecting the thrash genre.
 * Consequence of Sound - Endgame is as perfect as any thrash record of the current generation if not more.
 * Metal Hammer - this one is classic Megadeth, right down to its juddering thrash framework and Dave and Chris’s sabre-like guitar slashes.
 * PopMatters - “1,320’” is an old-school thrasher, with Mustaine’s trademark twisting riffs leading the way.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

This album does contain significant amounts of thrash metal, which these reviewers gave a more or less passing mention, but for one thing, they did not mention that this album was completely thrash metal, and for another, the amount of heavy metal present is significantly noticeable and fairly obvious to anyone; Wikipedia editors should be acquainted with the subject of their discussion, and not merely form long distance opinions based on just small segments of by-the-way comments that professionals make. 117.195.53.126 (talk) 10:29, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Metal Hammer and Consequence of Sound clearly categorize it as a thrash metal album, while the other four reviewers stated that the album contains significant amount of thrash. If you want to add heavy metal to the info box you must provide at least two references that wrote "Endgame is a heavy metal album" or "features heavy metal music". Six critics consist the majority of the critical reception and if your only argument is "the amount of heavy metal present is significantly noticeable and fairly obvious to anyone", I'm afraid that won't pass.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 21:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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