Talk:Eneabba Stone Arrangement

Date anomaly
This sentence "In the late 1830s, an expedition under J. E. Hammond burned hundreds of acres of scrub and spend about a fortnight searching the area with the aid of a metal detector, but without success" doesn't seem to fit in the article's chronology. Its placing suggests the Hammond expedition followed the 1875 Burt discovery. Can the dates/order of 'discovery' be better set out/clarified? Dick G (talk) 00:41, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

maybe it means 1930s? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.126.11 (talk) 11:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

It should have been 1930s. Fixed now. Thanks. Hesperian 12:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Eneabba Stone Arrangment and Ring of Stones
Dear editor, The Wiki article on the Eneabba Stone Arrangment and the Circle of Stones has a number of fundamental errors, misconceptions and limitations. It is difficult to know where to start, but here goes. I am not sure where the idea comes from that views have been revised regarding the origin of the Circle of Stones (I prefer to refer to it as the Ring of Stones) but it defintely has no connection with the Eneabba Stone Arrangement. It is in fact doubtful the Eneabba Stone Arrangement even exists. There is a site listed under this name as a man-made structure in the Register of Aboriginal Sites (S01963), with coordinates listed but no informants. I have visited (using GPS) and searched this location on 2 occasions and there does not appear to any stone arrangement in the locality. The vegetation in the area (Banksia, Zamia plams, Xanthorrea, Hakea scrub) bears no resemblance to that in the photo of the Ring of Stones, which appears to be Melaleuca. I have numerous photos and have written to the Registrar to inform him/her of my research. Furthermore, if one reads the account in Uren, Burt was travelling from Arrowsmith Well to coast to meet Captain Archdeacon. This place him on a track about 18 km north of the Eneabba Stone Arrangement. In fact last year we (myself and my collaborator Bob Sheppard) located Burt's original account which he wrote to the Commissioner of Police in 1930 reporting the Ring of Stones, with an accompanying mudmap. I can provide you with a copy of these. We also obtained Burt's account of their 1st search in company with Constable Loxton,and Const. Loxton's reports of the first and second searches. The mudmap showed the Ring of Stones to be located about 800 m from the coast approximately 6 km north of Gum Tree Bay. I believe I relocated the Burt's Ring of Stones in October 2008. However it appears the Ring was destroyed by treasure seekers in the 1930s. What remained was a pile of stone that had the appearance of a grave. My collaborator agreed with that and the WA Maritime Museum advised we inform the WA police. The WA police investigated early this year and found that it was simply a pile of stones. We believe it was the Ring of Stones because it was in the right location, it was in a clearing where there were no other stones (as described by Burt) and we have found 2 similar piles in the area. We believe misguided treasure seekers in the 1930s found the Ring piled up the stone, dug around, found nothing, and then searched other stony areas in the vicinity, piling up the stones so they could dig. An outcome of the Burt report and mudmap was the realisation that the Burt's Ring of Stones was in fact different to the one reported by Hayes and Penney, which they photographed. Burt's was a simple ring, the Hayes/Penney Ring of Stone was a ring with a line of stones leading off it, the size differed (4 ft vs 8 ft) and Hayes/Penney indicated it was 3 miles from the coast whereas Burt's was "half a mile". Using maps from the 1940s we have been able to reconstruct in approximate terms the route Hayes and Penney took and have identified a 6 sq km area south of Dongara where we believe their Ring of Stones is. I have been, time permitting, conducting a systematic search of that area for the last year. It appears to be the right area as the vegetation in parts matches what appears in the photo. About 1/2 of the area has been covered so far but without a result as yet. GPS coordinates and photos can be provided of the Burt site. Metal detecting has been carried out 3 times at the Burt site with no result. I have also discovered a small man-made wall in the region in a very inaccessible location but have beenunable to ascertain who builtit or why. Metal detecting and test pitting have revealed nothing. The search and its outcome was the subject of a paper I gave at the Australian Map Circle/Mapping Sciences Instiute Australia conference in March this year, and the paper will be published in The Globe, the journal of the Australina and NZ Map Society soon. I am happy to provide you with a copy of that paper. Perhaps you could also refer to my discussion of the Ring of Stone being a directional indicator, left by the 68 sailors from the Vergulde Draeck, in "And Their Ghosts May Be Heard" (Fremantle Art Centre Press, 1994/2002) pp.237-241. Regards Rupert Gerritsen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rupert Gerritsen (talk • contribs) 15:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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