Talk:Energy Brands/Archive 1

Advertising
vitamin water has some new adds with ray allen and other people doing sports, someone should put that on there

-Blackkat30 4:10 pm Oct. 18, 2006

Shaquille O'Neal
Maybe Shaq should be listed in multiple categories, as he is a talented actor and musician.

Sugar and calories
The article overstates the amount of sugar and number of calories in the drinks (according to the source that's given) and doesn't cite any "nutrition experts" who argue that vitaminwater isn't healthy. From a brief look through Google, the consensus seems to be that it's not a great source of vitamins (i.e. doesn't offer many health benefits), not that it's unhealthy.


 * I have changed the numbers to reflect the variation in content with flavors, and added another source. Thanks for adding the comparison with soft drinks, this is really the crux of the issue:  vitaminwater may promote obesity if one drinks it instead of water, but it may be helpful if it replaces regular soft drinks in one's diet. Prithason 22:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Lowercase
I never got a clear answer on this. If a proper noun is supposed to be written with a lowercase first letter, is it capitalized when that word is the first word in a sentence? As it stands now, the article is inconsistent. Sometimes, such as the opening sentence, Glacéau has a lowercase 'g.' But towards the end of the page, it has a capital 'g.' Is there a grammar ruling on this? Ac e  tic  ' Acid  18:59, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Shouldent it be GLACÉAU instead of glacéau that would also get rid of the technical restrictions. The bottles and websight say GLACÉAU in Capts or atleast Lower case caps.  Should we Move the artilce to fix this?--E-Bod 06:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but on the website, it is written in lowercase. (Actually, everything on the website is written in lowercase.) Acetic Acid 03:35, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * When i see the websight [] The First Page is GLACÉAU while contact us is glacéau. If you had to chose between 2 corect ways of capts/lowercase and one coulden't display properly wouldn't you chose the other (GLACÉAU) to avoid the problem I am proposing a page move to GLACÉAU.  Chanses are if sombody were to go to the online sight first they'ed know what they wanted to know and if they came frome the Bottle they would think GLACÉAU.

Initial research indicates that the name of the company is "Energy Brands" and glaceau is a brand name. I would suggest that the page be renamed to "Energy Brands" with redirect from glaceau since the company is clearly notable and deserving of an entry, whereas the bar is set higher for brand names having a separate entry. Prithason 06:25, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Does Energy Brands sell anything other than GLACÉAU stuff. Becose The most comon name should be the title.  (also why did you remove the section on minimal advertizing and remove the name bug from the top)--E-Bod 16:59, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Also there are 4 sight names --E-Bod 17:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry for premature removal of the name bug. I have restored it. But while marketed as "glaceau", the brand line is commonly referred to as "Glaceau" in business news reports. Futhermore, inital press reports state that Energy Brands Inc. refers to "Glaceau" in its recent April 5 court filings. I couldn't find any independent evidence for minimal advertising -- certainly they can now afford expensive front-of-store dedicated displays at my local CVS. Maybe there is verifiable evidence for minimal TV advertising?  Finally, Energy Brands does have other lines which include the "America's Best Brew" line of ready-to-drink coffee beverages. Prithason 18:20, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Now that you explaied why youremoved the name but i don't mind if your remove it or not. Thanks for your edits--E-Bod 18:39, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * No, the title is perfect as it is now. Glacéau is fine. There is no need to change anything. Yshoulduknow 07:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In my experience with marketing glacéau products, the name should always be written in lowercase except when it's in the form of the logotype. In fact, all glacéau material/correspondence is lowercase, particularly flavor names.Tfilt 21:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Larger bottles
Recently glaceau has added larger bottles to their vitamin water line.. I'm not the best writer and didn't exactly know how to word it, so if anyone would like to improve what I put, please do. Thanks. ^_^ --Oh yeah, I forgot 03:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

can someone double-check on when the 32oz sizes were first released as I'm sure I saw them well prior to mid-2006 --just.enough.luck 3:40, 10 Sept. 2006

Oh wow, my bad. I had forgotten to look it up and make sure ... Well we know for a fact there's larger bottles, if we get rid of the info on when they appeared, would that improve the article any? I'm not sure where to look and make sure when they first appeared.. --Oh yeah, I forgot 20:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

This is very badly written. Ex: "Seeing as..."

Flavors
All of the flavors in the vitaminwater drink contain vitamins which help the body in various ways. Below is a list of all flavors and their contents.

Power-C (Dragonfruit)
The Power-C drink contains Vitamin C and taurine. Taurine helps the muscles to recover and grow, and the Vitamin C helps protect cells from damage and keeps the body strong.

Energy (Tropical Citrus)
Energy contains ginseng and Vitamin C. Clinical research has shown ginseng to restore energy quickly, and Vitamin C helps protect cells from damage.

Revive (Fruit Punch)
B Vitamins and potassium are found inside this drink.

Multi-V (Lemonade)
The calcium in this drink is important in maintaining strong bones and teeth. Vitamins C and E help protect cells from damage and keep the body strong.

Focus (Kiwi-Strawberry)
Vitamin A helps to maintain a good eyesight, while ginkgo biloba helps to maintain concentration and focus.

Essential (Orange-Orange)
With 1/3 of the sugar, Essentials is a good replacement to orange juice in the morning. It contains many of the essential vitamins from A to zinc.

Formula 50 (Grape)
Formula 50 provides half of the many vitamins you need every day (folic acid, B vitamins, and vitamins C and E.

Defense (Raspberry-Apple)
The zinc helps to maintain a healthy immune function, and skin health. Vitamin C protects cells from damage.

Rescue (Green Tea)
Chamomile is a traditional remedy used to calm the body and soothe the mind. B Vitamins are essential for keeping the body's systems running smoothly.

Endurance (Peach-Mango)
Ribose rapidly replaces depleted energy, while Vitamin E helps keep the body strong.

Vital-T (Lemon Tea)
Vitamins C and E help keep the body strong.

Balance (Cran-Grapefruit)
Glucosamine helps flexibility.

This all seemed like an advertisement to me. Anyone care to edit it? Prithason 07:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I was just about to add all the flavors but then decided to check the talk page first. We can get rid of sentenses containingn wesal words--E-Bod 06:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

In energy the beverage ingredient is Guarana, not Ginseng

Glacéau Sidebar
I think this page would be better is someone were to add a little sidebar to the page with the company logo, the stocks and revenue, the products and all that other stuff. I don't have enough "WikiSkill" to do it. Yshoulduknow 07:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Done --BJ 02:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Racism???!!!
I noticed that someone has removed the section on Glaceau's racist voicemail incident. Who did that? I betcha' it's one of Glaceau's lackeys. They did that to Eric Stoller's blog, and now they wanna corrupt the quality of the wikipedia?! Are we, the netizens of the cyberspace, gonna tolerate this? Hell no!! I've put the section back, and from now on I will monitor this page to make sure that if someone wants to remove it, they have to go through this formal discussion process on THIS PAGE first!

There is one certain racist called MrGear who removed the section on Glaceau's racist voicemail again without first going through discussion on this page. Shame on these lackeys. I will keep the section UNTIL someone objects to its inclusion ON THIS PAGE.


 * I agree that this is potentially interesting, and that it should not be removed without discussion. However, as currently written it does not meet wikipedia standards for neutrality and verifiability, as described in WP:A.  Are there only self-published reports of the incident?  Is there a non-anonymous primary source?  Prithason 04:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * To the best of my knowledge, this went around via a few higher education listservs. I posted it on my blog, but at that time Glaceau had changed their voicemail to the current non-racist version. I do not know of any news outlets that covered the story. ericstoller


 * In February of 2007, it came to light that Glacéau's voice mail system was "narrated by some dude with a horribly fake Asian accent, doing kung fu schtick." While Glacéau changed the recording shortly after the story broke, the original Blog that broke the story received a post that said, in part, "i really didn’t think it was offensive… people are doing and saying more important things in the world that i can bitch about." The IP address of the poster was later tracked to Glacèau's parent company, Energy Brands. As a result, the main story became not the questionable humor of the original voice mail system recording, but the clumsy and blatant cover up attempt.


 * I moved the section here in case this can be sourced to wikipedia standards. Prithason 22:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

added a pic
I added a pic of the vitamin water product lineKing of the N00bs 18:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Supermarket Availability
Has anyone else noticed that some flavors seem to be only available at delis and minimarts, and not at large supermarkets? The two that come to my mind are Rescue and XXX. Does anyone have an answer for the discrepancy in stock and, if so, can you add it to the article?

chain grocery and convenience stores are bureaucratic businesses that in many cases only want to carry the "top sellers," at least until a company has proven the value of its entire product line. bodegas, delis and other mom-and-pops are much more flexible and eager to try new flavors, generally basing their decisions on what appears to sell in their store. MrGears 02:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Vitamin Energy flavors
Does anyone know what the numbers after the flavor mean?

the numbers refer the number of formulas attempted before they got the "right" one. MrGears 02:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Subjectivity
I question the neutrality of this article. There are many places where the tone changes to be that of an anti-company stance, for whatever reason. I can be more specific if I'm the only person who sees this. Themikeg 14:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC) I agree. I especially think this part lacks neutrality and a citation: "It should be noted that Glacéau uses crystalline fructose as a sweetener in Vitamin Water, and that recent findings show that elevated levels of this in the body over a period of time may have negative effects on the liver, such as a fatty liver or even cirrhosis. This is because crystalline fructose contains a very high concentration of fructose, and must be broken down by the liver." This really should be cited or removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cionar (talk • contribs) 18:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Diet Vitamin Water?/Coca-Cola
Has anyone wondered with the acquisition by Coke whether or not they will start making a diet version of Vitamin Water? Coke would be stupid not to grab the diet market, it already has with Diet Coke/Coke Zero/etc... I know that Vitamin Water is supposed to be "all natural" but they could make a version with Splenda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.94.13 (talk) 12:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

thanks for putting out this multimillion dollar idea
and not patening it...now coke dont got to pay u a single cent dumb*** —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.170.81 (talk) 01:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes it was my idea to create a diet version of a drink. Think before you type next time please.

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== Coke acquisition fyi i removed the bit from coke acquisition section about the anti-trust thing because it has no real bearing on the article. the point of the anti-trust filing was that it was a public gesture that dictated Coke's timeline for announcing its intentions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrGears (talk • contribs) 02:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Source of SmartWater
I notice the writer says SmartWater comes from municipal water. Could someone please explain where their source of this information is? I can not seem to find anything on the company's fancy flash web site about where the water actually comes from. If in fact it does come from municipal water, I would consider Smartwater no better then Desani or Aquafina or any of those other waters that are deceiving people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.118.127 (talk) 16:16, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Fatty liver
How someone reached "It should be noted that Glacéau uses crystalline fructose as a sweetener in Vitamin Water, and that recent findings show that elevated levels of this in the body over a period of time may have negative effects on the liver, such as a fatty liver or even cirrhosis. This is because crystalline fructose contains a very high concentration of fructose, and must be broken down by the liver." from "High intakes of fructose could, theoretically, increase production of lipid precursors and increase the risk of hypertriglyceridemia. However, this effect is not consistently seen, even in those who are at high risk of elevated plasma triglycerides." is beyond me, but it is false, misleading, slanderous, and, considering the source does not directly mention vitaminwater, it constitutes original synthesis and is against policy. I have removed this passage. Punctured Bicycle (talk) 17:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Sugar Content Part Two
I have removed a very misleading statement from the controversies section, that overstates the sugar content of VitaminWater in comparison to soda. You can't compare a 20 ounce bottle to a 12 ounce can and call it a fair comparison. Looking at a proper 8 ounce serving to serving comparision, VitaminWater has 13 grams of sugar compared to the 26 in a regular soda. I've also done some link clean up, and tagged the article for several issues. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Is vitamin water really healthy?
I will be discussing how healthy and beneficial vitamin water really is. --Dennis duong (talk) 18:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This is not a discussion forum nor a place for personal opinions or research. AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Vitaminwater Seperate article?
Should we do a seperate article for Vitaminwater? It's really catching on.JIMfoamy1 (talk) 00:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * At this time, I'd say no. This article itself could support more information on the product, particularly if it were cleaned up. AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

NPOV Tag
No one has given a reason as to why this article is POV, therefore, I am removing the tag. If anyone feels this article is POV, please do not place the tag on the article unless you are also willing to describe a reason here. NoHitHair (talk) 00:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Smart Water -- Just a Marketing Scam?
I can't find any information on the amount of electrolyte in Smart Water. Is there *any* benefit to this product over tap water or is it just a scam. Based on the dietary content (0mg Sodium) and undisclosed additional magnesium and potassium salts, my gut feeling is there are no more than trace quantities of electrolyte and that you might as well drink tap water for electrolyte. (Also calcium chloride + potassium bicarbonate -> potassium chloride (which tastes salty) + calcium carbonate + CO2... since Smart Water doesn't taste salty or fizzy, there must be almost none of this stuff in it.)

Finally -- the early formulations of Gatorade (which was designed to do what smart water is implied to be good for) made people throw up (as salt water does).

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Sweetener
So in Canada, they use cane sugar. Is this true in the States too? Or did they formulate it differently for Canada? Cuz it should be clarified in the article. SKS2K6 (talk) 22:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes.JIMfoamy1 (talk) 23:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Price note
I was just wondering if the article should mention pricing of Vitamin water. In most vending and store locations it costs twice as much as other similar drinks. The drink seems to fair well even when costing much more than competitor's pricing. I think it is noteworthy that this drink called vitamin water costs two dollars for 20 ounces, which is beyond the mainstream prices in the product market. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NeuGye (talk • contribs) 01:58, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

parentheses
Multi-V - Lemonade (“Vitamin A to Zinc”) (Jet Ski) ←What's this?JIMfoamy1 (talk) 23:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

"This Product Contains Lead"
That is not entirely accurate. What is in there is Crysstiline Fructose. Which aperenly has lead as one of its components in mimute amounds but tha doesnt mean it poses ahealth hazard, if anything it should be said that one o its ingrediants contains minute amound of lead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tennekis (talk • contribs) 20:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Probably Inaccurate Information
I doubt the authenticity of the following statement: * The fructose used contains arsenic and lead.[citation needed] 69.3.201.99 (talk) 01:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Especially as fructose is a chemical compound with a defined structure... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.179.147.71 (talk) 20:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Controversies
The third bullet point in the "Controversies" section (about "I Rest My Case") should be deleted.

The paragraph at issue comes across as a promotion and advertising for Vicki Roberts and her services. It describes her (without any support) as a "high profile attorney, actress and producer" and includes links and references to her IMDB page and websites and a press release issued by her. WP:NOTSOAPBOX WP:PROMOTION WP:NOTADVERTISING

There also is no evidence that the supposed incident described in the paragraph at issue was in any way a "controversy." There are no independent news articles supporting that a controversy existed (which is in stark contrast to the other two "controversies" listed in that section, which include as references links to independent, third party sources). The only "evidence" is a link to a press release issued by Roberts herself. WP:NOT

70.18.35.167 (talk) 23:20, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Article Name
I have moved this article from Glacéau to Energy Brands. While some sources do refer to the company as Glacéau and its website primarily pushes that name, Energy Brands is still the actual company name per official company directories and Coco-Cola's own financial reports (page 6). As such, that should be the name for the article, with Glacéau now redirecting here and the article appropriately noting it uses both names. I also removed the logo as it is purely stylized text and an editor's recreation rather than the actual, which would seem to make it unnecessary. Thoughts on these changes? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 08:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

50 cent
According to this article, 50 cent doesn't own 10% of the company. ed g2s • talk 14:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Any other reliable sources refuting the 10%? One saying now while a bunch say yes, means the bunch tend to be seen as correct.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Privately Owned Subsidiary
I challenge the assertion in the article that Energy Brands is 'a privately owned' subsidiary of Coca-Cola, a public company. That is impossible —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murtom (talk • contribs) 21:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it isn't. Shares of Energy Brand itself are not sold on the public stock market, so it is privately owned by the public company Coca-Cola. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs)

Well, I think the right way to say it is "Energy Brands is a subsidiary of The Coca-cola Company" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murtom (talk • contribs) 18:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It would not be fully correct. The current statement is the factual designation. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)