Talk:England

Country, State or Nation?
This helpful article helped me understand the difference between a Country, State and Nation. I note the confusion of different interpretations of each word. However I would argue the introduction of this article should read "England is a nation that is part of the United Kingdom". This would better agree with the wiki definitions of Country, Nation and State (polity). Ssojjoss (talk) 19:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * You can find academic sources at Countries of the United Kingdom. Moxy 🍁 00:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Nope, there are no academic sources which support the claim that England is a country. In the meantime, the United Nations does NOT recognise England as a country, nor does England meet the definition of a country in the various dictionaries, which invariably refer to an area of land which has its own government, something which England does not have. Texas used to be a country, still has its own government though, and is clearly closer to the definition of country than England is, as are the other 49 states, and all the states in Australia. England is more like a state of the United Kingdom, but it doesn't even rise to that level, because once again it doesn't have its own government. England is more like a group of provinces of the United Kingdom than anything else! It certainly isn't a country... FillsHerTease (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It should be definitely be changed, because England is NOT a country. There is no basis whatsoever on which it can be called a country. It doesn't have it's own government. It doesn't have passports. It doesn't have ANYTHING that an actual country has. Not to mention the fact that it is part of a ... drum roll please ... country called The United Kingdom. I'm sure people call it a country simply because it was, at one stage, and for many hundreds of years. Anyone who says it is a country needs to explain why England is a country but Texas is not, considering that, unlike England, Texas DOES have a government, and even its own Constitution. However it isn't a country, despite the fact that it was one at one stage, because it is part of another country, namely The United States. There is no such thing as a country that is part of another country! FillsHerTease (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Why England is not a country? So the English flag doesn't make sense? In what world did you think that? There is so much arrogance, so much shallow knowledge that this shouldn't even be considered an "argument",because clearly I can see that you don't understand anything about the subject,this is worst edit I've ever seen, and they still say that the problem with Wikipedia is reliable sources, being after all, no one is saved and will never be saved anytime soon, If you don't stop being intolerant and want to own the truth, you'll make me feel sorry, man, I'm in mourning, because your brain passed away a long time ago. 177.105.90.20 (talk) 20:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I explained why it isn't a country, but I'll explain again because you obviously aren't very bright:
 * 1. It doesn't have it's own government.
 * 2. It doesn't have passports.
 * 3. It isn't recognised as a country by the United Nations.
 * 4. It doesn't meet the definition of country in the various dictionaries.
 * 5. The COUNTRY it is part of is called The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and there is no such thing as a country that is part of another country.
 * These are the things which countries ALL have, FillsHerTease (talk) 20:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please try to be civil. And note, this has been discussed many times before and the consensus seems to be as the wording is now.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  20:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Dude, there's no point in saying "Ah, be civil", this guy won't accept that he's wrong. 177.105.90.20 (talk) 20:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not wrong. FillsHerTease (talk) 09:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If someone says "I'm in mourning, because your brain passed away a long time ago", then ... NO ... I will NOT be civil. Where is your admonition for the person who started it? I have quoted sources - i.e. The United Nations amongst others - and presented an argument, but he has provided NOTHING but insults in reply. If it has been discussed in the past and you have reached the erroneous conclusion that England is a country, then that's fine, I understand how it works, but don't come after me for responding in kind to someone who has don't NOTHING except throw shade. FillsHerTease (talk) 09:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Stop being an idiot, man, you should be banned from Wikipedia, you want to try to be the lord of the truth, but everything you've said so far is hypocrisy, you're a shame, listen? And don't bother filling my patience with your stupidity, because I'm fed up with it, if you want to lie, lie right, man. 177.105.90.20 (talk) 13:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Here are some more sources by the way:
 * The Encyclopaedia Britannica - https://www.britannica.com/topic/list-of-countries-1993160
 * Worldmeter - https://www.worldometers.info/geography/alphabetical-list-of-countries/
 * US Department of State - https://history.state.gov/countries/all
 * WIKIPEDIA ITSELF DOESN'T RECOGNISE ENGLAND AS A COUNTRY - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_area
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states FillsHerTease (talk) 09:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 177.105.90.20 (talk) 20:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sovereign states typically decide on the names of their component parts. Russia is made up of 'republics'. The US of 'states'. I believe France calls them 'regions'. The UK government calls its largest components 'countries'. See Countries of the United Kingdom.
 * ISO 3166-2:GB defines England as a 'country'. See also the UK's submission to the 2007 United Nations Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names which defines the UK as being made up of two countries (England and Scotland), one principality (Wales) and one province (Northern Ireland). The UK's Office of National Statistics also describes England as a country. Seems pretty definitive to me. Dgp4004 (talk) 09:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd say it seems pretty definitive that the people of England want to keep referring to England as a country. You say the UK made a submission to the United Nations, but the United Nations does not recognise England and a country - despite what people in England might say or think - and England does not meet the United Nations definition of a country. You quote the UK Office of National Statistics, but I have quote the US State Department. I have also shown what other encyclopaedias say, and shown that Wikipedia doesn't list it as a country. Doesn't seem like your argument is very definitive at all. Since when does a local custom - which, as I've said, exists for very obvious reasons, but is wrong - trump reality? FillsHerTease (talk) 10:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You mean this one: https://history.state.gov/countries/all? It says it's a list of "countries with which the United States has had diplomatic relations." And it's clearly meant for that purpose only.
 * In any case, you don't seem to have a consensus on changing the term I'm afraid. Dgp4004 (talk) 10:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, another person claiming that the US Government hasn't had diplomatic relations with England. LOL! I already agreed that I know how things work, and that if it has already been decided - ERRONEOUSLY - that England is a country, then that's fine. If you don't want this encyclopaedia to be accurate, then there's nothing I can do... FillsHerTease (talk) 19:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Putting the term 'country' aside for a moment, what do you suggest England is? You've given one source which uses the term 'constituent'. Is that your suggested term? Are there other sources which call it simply a 'constituent'? I see you've said 'group of provinces' also. Are there any sources which define England as a 'group of provinces'? Dgp4004 (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Putting the term 'country' aside for a moment, what do you suggest England is? You've given one source which uses the term 'constituent'. Is that your suggested term? Are there other sources which call it simply a 'constituent'? I see you've said 'group of provinces' also. Are there any sources which define England as a 'group of provinces'? Dgp4004 (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Is there a reason why this page has neither the HDI nor Gini of England listed? All other UK nation pages (Scotland, Wales, United Kingdom etc) have them. 92.15.85.19 (talk) 15:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * We can't get a source for England HDI, sadly (see the source on the other pages). And for GINI, the only source was the Scottish Government which somebody objected to as it was felt to be unreliable. Dgp4004 (talk) 15:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no basis whatsoever on which it can be called a country. England is a country because the vast majority of people in the British Isles call it a country. It's that simple. For WP purposes there are numerous quality RSSs that also call it a country. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Exactly! It was a country, once upon a time, and a very powerful one at that, so people have kept calling it a country - for obvious reasons - but this is an encyclopaedia, and in the real world England is not a country, so this encyclopaedia should not refer to it as one.
 * Here is the entry on England in the Encyclopaedia Britannica - https://www.britannica.com/place/England - which refers to it as a "constituent", which is what it is (though I think I used the term "province" above).
 * Here is the link in the New World Encyclopaedia, which also refers to it as a constituent - https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/England
 * I could easily add another 20 different sources which make it clear that it is not a country... FillsHerTease (talk) 09:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Where are all these sources - I have provided multiple sources - and when are they going to be added to the page? FillsHerTease (talk) 09:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Quote: Exactly! I'm glad you agree with me. It's bed time, but referring to your sources, and before I turn off the light, WP doesn't count as a source. The US govt source, that isn't secondary, says This section provides historical reference information on the countries with which the United States has had diplomatic relations. Where does it say England isn't a country, or that the USA doesn't recognise England as a country? I don't have time to explain why your other sources aren't siotable. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hilarious! So England is a country, but the US Government hasn't had diplomatic relations with them??? LOL!
 * "I don't have time to explain why your other sources aren't siotable." - I'll take that to mean that you don't have any good arguments, and that your claim that the US Government has never had relations with England is the best you can do... FillsHerTease (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Perhaps we should make Talk:Countries of the United Kingdom/refs more clear so our readers can educate themselves. Moxy 🍁 21:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 May 2024
Please change "the greater metropolitan of which has a population" (Intro) to "the metropolitan area of which has a population" because i. there's no noun following the adj ii. 'greater metropolitan' is not justified by the content of the relative article (Greater London is more specific, and there are other area definitions as well) Aethalides 02:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ M.Bitton (talk) 20:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 May 2024
Under transport, 'Bus Rapid Transit' is incorrectly in capitals. It should be bus rapid transit (BRT). 2A0A:EF40:E81:7701:C9E4:23A8:8929:A3F7 (talk) 08:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ M.Bitton (talk) 15:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 May 2024 (2)
In the third paragraph, the opening sentence "England is the origin the..." should be changed to "English is the origin of the...". Toor137 (talk) 21:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Should be changed to: "England is the origin of the..."
 * can't believe I made a mistake while correcting one! Toor137 (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Tollens (talk) 05:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 May 2024
Cite badminton in sport section Backdoored (talk) 17:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 June 2024
Under energy, add the Viking Link and National Grid network, such as the following:

Much of Great Britain's National Grid electric power transmission network runs through England. The English parts of the National Grid are controlled from the National Grid Control Centre located in Berkshire. The Viking Link between Denmark and England is the world’s longest land and subsea interconnector, which was completed in 2023. 2A0A:EF40:E0D:1D01:4971:1631:57B8:4CC0 (talk) 23:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ as this is a request to verbatim restore an edit by LTA banned user Lam312321321. They are the reason that this article is currently edit protected. --Belbury (talk) 08:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 June 2024
Add all the English cities designated City of Literature under Literature; this includes Exeter, Manchester, Norwich, and Nottingham. KingandcountryGB (talk) 16:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: why? M.Bitton (talk) 00:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Charliehdb (talk) 13:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Update
The poltics section needs to be updated, due to the aftermath of the UK general election. 2A0A:EF40:E4A:E101:1D3D:909:A1B3:2F4B (talk) 10:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 July 2024
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> Change the MP make up of England, after the results of the recent election. KingandcountryGB (talk) 18:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done macaddct1984 (talk &#124; contribs) 13:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)