Talk:English brewery cask units

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Should this not now be British or UK rather than just England? Or do they have different measures in the rest of the UK?

Is firkin the source of the expression "dewberry-firkin" meaning something which cannot currently be named? i.e. a thingy-bob or what's-it. I cannot find any citable sources on the etymology of the expression.


 * The terms are now universal throughout the UK although historically Scotland has had different measurements for various terms (including 'pint') Firebuild (talk) 10:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Does butt = pipe?
Yeah, I know.

In English wine cask units, a butt unit is the same as a pipe unit. Is that not true for brewery butt units? If it is, someone should add it. If it is not, then someone should add a note such as:


 * Note: Although in wine cask units of this general era a butt unit was also called a pipe unit, there is no pipe unit in brewery cask measurements. See English wine cask units § Pipe or butt for more information.

(Or "...a pipe unit does not equal a butt unit in brewery cask..." if there is one but it contains a different amount, and then of course add that unit to the article. By the way, be sure to copy the above note in wikitext format to get the # → § correct link formatting.)

Sorry all I can do is point this out, but my real-life limitations won't let me do more. Thanks in advance! —Geekdiva (talk) 12:18, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Tun and Butt
If a Tun is 252 imperial gallons how can half a Tun (aka Pipe or Butt) be 108 imperial gallons? The Hogshead which is apparently a quarter of a Tun and is 54 imperial gallons, which would make a Tun 216 imperial gallons. This whole article is a mess and is full of dubious numbers. Avi8tor (talk) 09:38, 15 December 2022 (UTC)