Talk:Enigma (German band)/Archive 1

Discography listing
Alright, one thing that has came to my attention is the discography listing. I created a coloured version of the listing (all mixed into one list) and it was changed by Violetriga (split into albums and singles), and then later by 80.179.68.63 (split into albums, singles and compilations).

So, I have several questions about this issue: (Please respond below my suggestions)
 * Which listing is appropriate and better suited for the article?
 * I myself prefer a colour based listing, anything's okay as long as it looks good. --Andylkl 16:06, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * The current format looks much better and is the standard used by Wikipedia. violet/riga (t) 16:50, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Err... yeah, but it could be better, IMHO. Put those wiki formatting to good use! (Like your userpage ;) ) --Andylkl 20:15, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * Does anyone oppose creating the separate article for the singles?
 * I'll do it if I have time, and I certainly wouldn't want it to get flushed down VfD. --Andylkl 16:06, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Separate articles for individual singles are common for important singles (Yesterday, for example) but I'm not sure if Enigma ones would warrant individual articles. Perhaps Sadeness and Return to Innocence might, having been successful (single sales wise) while rather different to the usual chart stuff.  If you can come up with something good then by all means go for it and good luck - I'll help out if at all possible. violet/riga (t) 16:50, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the encouragement! =) But if that's the way it ends up, does the chronology of the Engima album infobox/taxobox only links to albums and doesn't include the less-selling singles, won't the chronology be already incorrect in the first place? --Andylkl 20:15, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

Point of Interest
I have seen it mentioned in several fansites that Cretu's contract with Virgin has him doing nine Enigma albums altogether, and he's currently completed five. This may or may not be a bit of information worth mentioning in the article in the future, but I did not see a place to put it and didn't want to add unnecessary clutter. --Martin Osterman 14:29, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about that, but I did read on five.no/enigma that Cretu also has a contract with Virgin until 2010 and it's three years per album... Hm... --Andylkl 15:05, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Because the database was down a couple days ago, I wasn't able to update this. I did some research, came across this link:  Enigma Lyrics.  The site has a "Biography" Section, and at the bottom of this section it says the following:  "Michael Cretu signed a contract for a further 5 albums after the release of Le Roi Est Mort, Vive Le Roi!."  A further check to Enigma Music's Did You Know? turned up this:  "Did You Know that the Enigma recording contract from an "official" Virgin news sheet states that the recording deal Michael Cretu signed with Virgin obligates him to release an album every three years".  Going here  turned up this:  "The American magazine Billboard, in its edition dated October 23, 1996, claimed that Michael Cretu has signed a contract to release five additional albums after this last one, and it is expected that a new album will be released every three years, more or less." .  I always trust fansites and such with a grain of sand, but it sounds like we're both running along very similar lines. If there are no objections, I'd like to make mention of the expected number of albums in the article. Sorry for the length of this! --Martin Osterman 16:11, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Heheh, it's okay... Since you've got sources to back it up, I don't see any reason to object... =) --Andylkl (talk) 16:31, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

References and fansite tags
Sorry, but this article is in serious need of references. All content reads as if it was lifted from fansites. Please help! Williamroy3 22:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Where would information regarding some of the sample sources go in this artical? For Enigma's first successful album, they sampled aphrodite's child (specfically "infinity"). Though as pointed out in the page ,. nothing was credited.

Satsuke (talk) 17:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Romanian
Why is this group described as Romanian? Str1977 (talk) 15:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Michael Cretu being Romanian is not enough for that. He was only one founding member and the project was founded long after he left Romania. Str1977 (talk) 06:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction
[second album] "The Cross of Changes was released and it received about the same, if not an even larger and better response from the public" "From a statistical point of view, every Enigma studio album to date has sold roughly half of what the previous release did."

Can these both be right?--MartinUK (talk) 02:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Cover designs?
Most bands show the photos of their members on their album covers, but how come Enigma does not do that at all? BulsaraAndDeacon (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC).

---No hay banda! there is no band. It's just a one man electronica music project which is created by the one and only Michael Cretu. It's also actually a great point that he doesn't use his face because the music isn't personal and it's not about fame. Enigma is a worldwide message of contemplation and existentialism. And also it seems that Michael Cretu has no interest of buzzing for public's attention. The project was actually meant to be stayed anonymous. The album covers of Enigma are very beautiful and meaningful and I cannot imagine seeing Cretu's face on an Enigma album cover. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.38.146.211 (talk) 11:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

STOP PSOTING WRONG INFORMATION IN CHARTS/SALES SECTION !!!!
Enigma Related Pages are under vandalism lately. Someone is mad about dissinformation and can't stop posting false data about sales and chart positions. Lately editing all chart positions reducing by 1 position. And posting fantastic sales numbers.

STOP IT !

ILIAS (talk) 09:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism
Please, someone that has time to look over these (I refer to the link beneath), it seems that Enigma uses lot of samples from other songs and this should be mentioned in the main article. I know it's not a good point of view to show that he samples a lot, but for wikipedia to be realistic it should show all of those samples in a new article, honestly, that article should include: section about "Return to innocence", about lot of samples he used from Spectrasonics and also about all the other songs he samples. Actually I believe this is a behavior in World music, beacuse the only way you can compose World music is with recordings, much more harder with real artist. To finish my idea, an example, "The Eyes of Truth" samples 6 different songs, not a record but it is something. Here is the link for research: http://www.whosampled.com/artist/Enigma/ --TudorTulok (talk) 23:44, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Stop using the word "different" in place of "various"!
"...while featuring female vocals in different languages, with different singers from different parts of the world." - Different from what? Different how? You mean various! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.227.103 (talk) 05:29, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * They are synonims so they mean the same thing: link here--TudorTulok (talk) 09:03, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Bootleg Releases
There were several bootleg CD's sold as Enigma material.

Metamorphosis 2001 is a mix of songs from Anggun, Culture Beat, Venja, and some previously released Enigma material. The so-called "Enigma 4 - Metamorphosis" has no connection to Michael Cretu nor Enigma. That is why I removed this CD from the Discography section.

Any CD's with the "Invisible Halahup" logo with a large capital H are bootleg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.186.242.44 (talk) 01:29, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Influence
The text says: "The album not only popularized the "Enigmatic" music style but also introduced some technical changes in music production. With MCMXC a.D., Michael Cretu developed the technical features and intentions of sampling. Though samples were in use long before (introduced by such musicians as Jean-Michel Jarre, Klaus Schulze and others), Cretu built his own music around whole sequences of previously recorded parts. His method was not remixing and remodeling, but rather recontextualisation – by changing a piece of music’s natural environment. This was a new way of composing and creating albums, which was adopted by some Hip-Hop artists, electronic music producers, and even Rock producers as well."

This is a ridiculous claim! Hip hop artists had been doing this for over a decade before Enigma did it. Also, a lot of artists like Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly and Delerium (before they became Enigma rip-offs) did the very same thing over five years before Enigma. Other electronica artists had also been doing this for years before Enigma. The Klf, Orb, Orbital an several other artists. This section should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.19.37.201 (talk) 13:04, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

"Knocking on Forbidden Doors" was featured in the "Body of Evidence" trailer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.33.99.109 (talk) 19:11, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Philip Estevez
What about the project with Philip Estevez. There is a song on YouTube called "Harpoon". No mentioning of that anywhere :( SBL1980 (talk) 20:24, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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