Talk:Enlace Nicaragua

Requested move 24 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: Enlace Nicaragua, Nicavisión, TV Red, Viva Nicaragua, and Vos TV moved as requested; Telenica (Canal 8) moved to TN8 per discussion, with a hatnote to the postal code; Televicentro (Canal 2) moved to Televicentro (Nicaraguan TV channel); and Telenorte Canal 35 moved to Telenorte (TV channel) (rather than TV station) because the article calls it a channel. Please initiate a new move request if a move from any of these titles is warranted. Dekimasu よ! 20:38, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

– Look closely — these article titles for Nicaraguan television stations aren't parenthetical disambiguations!
 * Enlace Nicaragua (Canal 21) → Enlace Nicaragua
 * Nicavisión (Canal 12) → Nicavisión
 * Telenica (Canal 8) → Telenica
 * TV Red (Canal 11) → TV Red
 * Telenorte Canal 35 → Telenorte (Nicaragua)
 * Viva Nicaragua (Canal 13) → Viva Nicaragua
 * Televicentro (Canal 2) → Televicentro (Nicaragua)
 * Vos TV (Canal 14) → Vos TV

Instead, they list the channel numbers of the stations in question (these are typically national in scope in a country as small as Nicaragua).

Not only is the disambiguation unnecessary in some cases, as there is no article at Enlace Nicaragua, but it's confusing in others. We have Televicentro (Canal 2) and Televicentro (Honduras), for instance. (Only two of the eight articles need parentheticals; for the other six, the current article titles break WP:CONCISE.)

Note: Telenica (Canal 8) could also be moved to TN8, which is currently a UK postcode redirect. The corresponding article is located on eswiki at es:TN8, while their social media presence indicates that's the current channel name (Twitter, for instance) and Google News dredges up many more recent hits for "TN8" "Nicaragua". The last English-language mention of the channel, in an industry trade publication from 2016, uses Telenica, but it appears Nicaraguans mostly don't these days. Raymie (t • c) 18:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. &mdash; Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 20:33, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Split vote
 * Support for Enlace Nicaragua, Nicavisión, TV Red, Viva Nicaragua, Vos TV.
 * Oppose for Telenorte and Televicentro. Per WP:NCBC and WP:NCTVUS they should be - Televicentro (Nicaraguan TV channel) and Telenorte (Nicaraguan TV channel) (Telenorte says in the lead its a network, while its listed as a channel at the template, so not sure what this is. If the it is a network and not a channel then the Nicaraguan version can be renamed without the country adjective).
 * Comment regarding Telenica - I guess this depends what the official name is. If the channel refers to itself as TN8 on the air and never as Telenica then I agree that would its new name. --Gonnym (talk) 23:28, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Telenorte appears to be a *station*, not a network of stations, with one transmitter (and apparently regional coverage only). Unfortunately Nicaragua's telecom records are some of the least comprehensive in the region. There are mentions of them being broadcast-only and others of them being cable-only, and there have also been other national broadcasters who have faced closure attempts from the government. Many of the articles themselves require significant work to bring them up to standards. Raymie (t • c) 23:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * If the Chilean one is indeed a staion, then per WP:NCBC, there shouldn't be an issue with naming and it can be Telenorte (TV channel). --Gonnym (talk) 23:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I was talking about the Nicaraguan one. The Chilean Telenorte was a network with coverage in several major cities. Raymie (t • c) 01:15, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok. Are you sure the Nicaraguan one is a station and not a channel? In the example given at WP:NCBC: NBCUniversal (corporation) operates the NBC (network) which is broadcast by WNBC (station) in New York on channel 4, is Telenorte the WNBC or the NBC? Or maybe it's a channel like in this example: BBC (corporation) operates the BBC Television (network) which provides the BBC One (channel) from many transmitters around the UK, and like the BBC One? --Gonnym (talk) 16:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * It's a broadcast station with no associated network. Raymie (t • c) 18:43, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Then it should be Telenorte (TV station)--Gonnym (talk) 22:22, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The thing is it seems more reliant on cable than anything... Raymie (t • c) 00:10, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I've lost you. Please don't make this harder then it should be. Either it's a station and its Telenorte (TV station) or its a channel and its Telenorte (TV channel). Pick whatever you think it is and I support this but just give a final answer what this is. --Gonnym (talk) 23:20, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.