Talk:Enlightenment (software)/Archive 1

Things I'd Like to see here (some of which I intend to add myself)
--Jxn 19:52, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * A history of the enlightenment project, including the whole sha-bang with being the default gnome wm and the sever from redhat/gnome, development issues, rewrites, and the new EFL.
 * known features of past enlightenment versions.
 * links to articles about developers of the project
 * a list of all the apps/libs with a breif description of each (or perhaps this belongs in an EFL article)


 * I'd also like to see when E17 was first started. I remember hearing about it a long time ago, and it apparently is still in development. --Gwern (contribs) 05:33 18 December 2006 (GMT)


 * i'd like to know which widget toolkit was used, if any. --Jerome Potts (talk) 07:58, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Non-Unique?
It mentions that you can have virtual desktops- I am no window maven, but I recollect that newer Gnomes had that as well. -- Maru Dubshinki


 * To be clearer I have changed the feature to 'its virtual desktop concept' because although the concept of virtual desktops is frequently used, E's particular desktop metaphor is quite original. --Baryonic Being 17:44, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just a few changes ...
First of all, please refrain from comparing Enlightenment and Mac OSX; this makes both Enlightenment sound inferior to Mac OSX, and makes Mac OSX sound preferable to E. Also changed the OS field to recognize that E was build using GNU software, and that Linux is NOT unix. I did keep the Unix there since E runs on a good majority of UNIX Systems, and Unix-Like Systems. --Voidengineer 03:20, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


 * That's fine. It was only the fact that most people will know exactly what you mean when you say a Mac OS X-style dock (I presume Mac OS was the pioneer of the dock idea?)

The Dock comes from NeXTSTEP, actually. Of course, OS X is the successor to both Mac OS and NeXTSTEP. In responce to running Enlightenment on OS X, it should be possible, as KDE and GNOME have been ported to OS X. I have yet to try them on OS X, though. Mandanthe1 22:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe Enlightenment will even run on Mac OS X itself - I intend to try it some day - but that would come under Unix I suppose. --Baryonic Being 14:14, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Developers
Shouldn't developers have a subsection for all the important past ones too, like Mandrake? Shouldn't it be mentioned that Raster started it? JeffBurdges 02:58, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

no include
What is that thing at the top of the page? Is there a way to remove it? It doesn't seem to be in the editable text. Perhaps a bug? Reported to helpdesk. --Daev 02:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

The screenshot
The screen shot is marked as that of 'a copyrighted software'. Is E copyrighted? --Anupam Srivastava 18:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Nearly all software is copyrighted -- are you expecting E to be in the public domain? Dysprosia 08:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)


 * What you mean is probably: "is E copyrighted so it can't be used in Wikipedia?" The answer is no, but the tag is used anyway. You can probably choose between linux-software-screenshot, free screenshot, gpl and fairusein. Maybe more. --Ysangkok 20:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

History
I would like to see more of Enlightenment's history included. It says here that E is mainly for older systems but it wasn't always this way. E16 used to represent bleeding edge features and E has always been released as developer releases (DR). At one time E was considered too "boated" and eye candyish for people's systems because of all it's features. Animations, graphical pagers, freeform pixmap borders, ripples at the bottom of your desktop and more. An example of an old school E theme might include borders that make your computer look like it came from an alien ship or something. All this long before skinning went mainstream. E was all about features and eye candy above performance. Smoke tetsu 09:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have slightly changed it so it is not so egregious an error, but I have not added all the information about the graphics and candy. -- Centrx 02:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Merged Engage into here
Did the suggested merge; the Engage article was tiny. --John Nagle 16:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Screenshots
There were 4 screenshots in the article. I first removed 2 of them as mostly superfluous, but User:Dysprosia added them back in a new "Other screenshots" section. To clarify, I didn't remove them because they took space, but because they attract attention uselessly and increase page load time. With the new edits, losing space is another reason though. So I'm removing them again. However, I don't know much about Enlightenment, so feel free to revert that. But in this case I would appreciate that significant reasons for keeping the screenshots that will be remaining get listed here. We already directly link to a site with tons of screenshots, so there's no need to keep superfluous ones in the article.--Chealer 04:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Place newest talk at the bottom of the page, not the middle. The reasons you provide for removing reasonable content are also not strong; for such a customizable window manager as Enlightenment it benefits the article to provide examples of this customizability. There is also no policy to remove content from articles based on page load time. Dysprosia 04:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't provide strong reasons for removal, but removed anyway because I didn't see strong reasons to keep. I agree that there is no policy to remove based on page load time. It is just a criterion. In the second edit, waste of space was the main criterion. Examples of customizability can be a reason to have several screenshots, but there are already two. Of course, we could show as many themes as we'd want, but then Enlightenment isn't the only X window manager to support theming, so there should be a reason to show each of them. The screenshots I removed may show interesting customizability, But in this case I would appreciate that significant reasons for keeping the screenshots that will be remaining get listed here. For example, I see that Screenshot-dell shows transparency (but this wasn't mentioned in its thumbnail's description), which is 1 reason to keep it (or to redo the other 2 screenshots to also show transparency).--Chealer 10:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

GNOME
This article says it was the default WM for GNOME until Metacity replaced it in 2.2, but the same is said in the Sawfish (window manager) article. Which one is right? - Sikon 12:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it was first Enlightenment then Sawfish then Metacity. Mack the Turtle 16:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Stable
Any news as to when the first E17 stable is foreseen to be out? (DrSlony 19:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC))

Enlightenment as a default desktop
I read recently in an article from Wired that some company (I forget which) made a contract with WalMart to sell $200 Ubuntu machines with Enlightenment as the default window manager. If we could find that article and add it to the article, that would be great. Mandanthe1 22:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Major?
What does "major retired" mean? D021317c (talk) 16:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)