Talk:Enoteca Pinchiorri

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I proposed this article for deletion. One of the editors claims that three stars on Michelin guide qualify for notability. I have some question about those criteria:

1) If this restaurant serves bad food on one week, does this change the criteria? 2) If Michelin downgrades the restaurant to two stars, does that change the notability? 3) If the chef leaves or the service changes, does that change the notability? 4) How does this differ from an advertisement? 5) Are all 3 star, 4 star, 5 star Michelin restaurants included in Wikipedia, and if not, then why not? 6) Should we include all two star restaurants?

I am still going to propose this article for deletion; I recommend it be placed in some place like Wikitravel. Two hundred years, perhaps two months, from now the notability of this restaurant may be nil; the entries in this encyclopedia should reflect things, persons, and events that are more numinous.

I sincerely think this does not fulfill the criteria for notability established by Wikipedia. I will wait 24 hours and then again request deletion. If that is contested, then I think it should rise to higher levels. The editor who is against deletion should find me a similar debate in Wikipedia that has followed his criteria. I am certain this has occurred before.

Baroque1700 (talk) 16:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There is no such thing as a four or five Michelin starred restaurant - three star is the top grade, only achieved by a very small number of restaurants (five in Italy in 2008). For a restaurant to get three Michelin stars is the equivalent of a film getting an oscar, and invariably leads to significant coverage in reliable sources as the ones I have put in the article and many other books and newspaper articles. To answer your other points, this will not stop being notable if it loses its status. Notability is based on the sources that have written about a subject. Those sources won't be unwritten if the chef leaves or the restaurant loses a star. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

1) Again, are all three star restaurants listed in Wikipedia? I apologize, I am not a star-crossed lover of restaurants and ignorant of Michelin standards. 2) You say it will not stop being notable if the quality changes, but your sources are mainly industry publications. I include Michelin guide as an industry publication. Why should not notability depend only on that fleeting qualification, and be subject to diminution. 3) How does this differ from an advertisement?

Finally, why does this restaurant have that makes it fit to be categorized among "buildings and structures of florence". You could move the restaurant to a different location and it would still be the same food? Why should it be catalogued amid the Laurentian Library or the Loggias in Venice? I still believe this is an inappropriate entry for an encyclopedia, and will proceed along the customary methods for deletion. I will remove it from some categories, if you are to alter that change, please provide ample justification. Baroque1700 (talk) 01:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

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