Talk:Enrico Coleman

I reverted some of the reversions of Justletters and numbers and wanted to explain why. I do not want to try an rewrite the article, which on the whole is thorough and better than most of what I submit. I find it, in fact, excellent.

But the minor points are that: 1) founding a new group is redundant 2) please do not eliminate blue links, I understand wikipedias attempt to reduce red links, but in cases like this I would have preferred keeping the red link. If your read the WP paragraphs on red links, it says not to redlink names or lists of questionable notoriety, but I have been adding 19th-century painters, and some of those redlinks would in the future be added, so as per WP, it would be acceptable to place them as red links 3) I would anglicize the "4th Espozizione Nazionale", the term 4th already creates an expectation of an English entry, and the term National Exposition is just dandy. I am not interested in translating placenames or people names, but WP encourages translating general terms. The same could be said for Biennale di Venezia, this could be replaced by Venice Biennale. Of course, when in Rome... but this is the English Wikipedia, and conventional use that is commonly understood would suffice. 4) I don't like to use the term "leading force" since I am not sure the group forced anything. "Leader" or "leading representative" or "most prominent representative" might be appropriate, even the force is not with them. The use of "of which" to me sounded imprecise as to whether it referred to founding members or the group itself. 5) Finally, while I am not insistent on unanimous attention to the rule, in describing an action or event, I typically adhere to "time, place,and manner" in order of appearance in the sentence or phrases.Rococo1700 (talk) 17:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for starting a discussion. As a general observation, it might have been preferable to do that before re-adding the grammatical errors and so on that I had already removed once (the general idea is WP:BRD: you make the changes you think fit; if someone reverts them, you discuss, you don't make the same changes again). But no matter, here we are discussing. You are quite right about the founding of a new group, it's a ridiculous tautology, thanks for pointing it out and editing it out. We use "in" rather than "at" for places that are large; thus "in Rome", but "at the Trevi Fountain" (of course, "in the Trevi Fountain" is also possible, but less usual!). "Esposizione" does not translate as "exposition"; that word is used either for the laying-out of a logical or rhetorical argument or thesis, or, more often, in musical terminology for the first part of the tertiary structure of sonata form. I respect your desire to translate things from Italian into English; however, scholarly usage has no problem with the use of Italian for Italian institutions, concepts and structures, and I suggest that it is also important to follow the source. Since most of the sources for this short page are in Italian, I have mostly used Italian names for things; an exhibition that is called Esposizione Internazionale d'Arte della Città di Venezia in the source is called by the same name here. The bit of the MOS that comes closest to dealing with this is WP:UE, though that is a discussion of article titles; the bit I think applies here is "Portuguese for Brazilian towns". On red links for names, I believe our guideline is more often honoured in the breach than in the observance; however, I try to stick to it most of the time, and have removed from the article one such red link that I had myself left there (the solution there is to create the article on that person, then link from here). Did I eliminate a blue link? I should not have; which was it? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:13, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

In Spanish, which I know better than Italian, Exposición is equivalent to Exposition. I do not see that it is different in Italian. In all three languages, Exposition can have various meanings, but art expos convey the same meaning in all three languages.

I was made well aware of the arguments about translation of Italian names when I objected to changing the name of the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome to St Mary Major. But a more prosaic term such as 4th National Exposition should suffice. I typically do not use a translation if it was called Mostra. I hadn't thought of in versus at; in a sentence with time and place, I stick to in time and at a place.Rococo1700 (talk) 06:35, 16 November 2013 (UTC)