Talk:Ent/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: AirshipJungleman29 (talk · contribs) 22:19, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

GA Review
I'll review this article. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:19, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 00:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria


 * 1) Is it well written?
 * A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
 * One or two minor points of correction, which will be outlined below.
 * B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction (N/A), and list incorporation (N/A):
 * 1) Is it verifiable with no original research?
 * A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
 * B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons&mdash;science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:
 * C. It contains no original research:
 * D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
 * B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
 * Almost completely.
 * 1) Is it neutral?
 * It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
 * 1) Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
 * A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
 * B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Should only be a short hold. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:24, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
 * 1) Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
 * A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
 * B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Should only be a short hold. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:24, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Should only be a short hold. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:24, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Source and image review

 * All Tolkien references appear to be accurate.
 * Noted.


 * Spotcheck of accessible sources:
 * 3 - good
 * 6 - good
 * 7 - good
 * 8 - good
 * 9 - good
 * is 15 really necessary?
 * Removed.
 * 16 (Screen Rant): while listed as a marginally reliable source at WP:RSP, the link does not provide any evidence of the Groot character being linked to Tolkien.
 * Removed.


 * Most images are fine. Is File:Twisted Plumeria tree trunk overgrowing the steep stone stairs of Wat Phou temple, Champasak, Laos.jpg really necessary? AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * To my eye the image supports the text and caption well.

Other issues

 * "Treebeard, who (credibly) claims to be the oldest creature in Middle-earth" does Treebeard actually ever claim to be the oldest? Or is he just called such by Gandalf and Celeborn? See.
 * Yes, they call him that. Fixed.


 * Is there any analysis available linking Ents to the folklore mentioned (Dryads, Germanic groves, etc.)? Such as the David Day source?
 * Removed the mention.
 * "Treebeard boasted of their strength to Merry and Pippin; he said that Ents were much more powerful than Trolls, which Morgoth made in the First Age in mockery of Ents, as orcs were of elves"." there's a quotation mark at the end, but none preceding it.
 * Removed.
 * Could the description be made a subsection of the Internal history section? I feel like that would work better.
 * Done.
 * If so, you could incorporate some of the material from the passage beginning 'Ents are an old race...' into the First Age subsection.
 * Done, and removed the overlap.
 * I don't think the Erchamion is necessary.
 * Gone.
 * "Samwise Gamgee mentions his" --> mentions that
 * Added.
 * I assume the closing bracket after the Great Sea quotation was a typo.
 * Removed.
 * Could the "Ent-like creatures" subsection be renamed to 'cultural derivations' or similar? I feel that that better represents the contents. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Done.

Nice! Promoting now. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Would it be worth making mention of Cad Goddeu as a possible source of inspiration? I don't know if Token ever mentioned it but I'd be surprised if Tolkien hadn't read some of the book of Taliesin. Even if, if he did draw on it as a source of inspiration, he used it with some different themes attached. Thedirefulspring (talk) 22:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)