Talk:Enta da Stage

Delisted GA
Reasons given: Lincher 17:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Not stable.
 * Not referenced enough.
 * Not NPOV.
 * Too many abbreviations to understand it.
 * Needs more wikilinks.
 * Who makes the claims mentioned through the text.
 * No info on the recording
 * Notes and Trivia sections should become a brilliant prose or be removed (we are not a fact book : WP:NOT).

Re-reviewed : Cues :
 * First, the track listing should be at the end of the article.
 * The Samples section should be transformed into prose.
 * The personel should be a prose for the top people in explaining why they're in the band and give a brief overview of what they accomplish.
 * Album chart position shouldn't be a table but instead it should show the highlights of the albut, like, for example, Buck Em Down was placed 2nd on the Hot Dance Music though wasn't in the Billboard Hot 100.
 * The rest sounds OK. Lincher 17:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I put the Chart Singles in the order they came out, that makes the most sense. I don't really get why that other stuff really matters, either. --PDTantisocial 23:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I have rearranged some of the pictures, fixed several factual errors in the infobox, and done some other cleanup. 69.116.150.174 03:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Citation spot check
As part of this project, I've checked a few citations from this article. It did quite well. Results:
 * 1) Footnote 2: "Their first release as a group was their 1992 single "Who Got Da Props?", which is now hailed as a classic hip hop single."
 * 2) *Checks out From site: "After dropping the critically acclaimed Enta Da Stage (Nervous), which spawned classics cuts like "Who Got Da Props?""
 * 3) Footnote 5 (a): "Buckshot was praised not only for his lyricism, but also for his lyrical delivery and breath control, with his flow and dramatic, conversational vocal tones being seen as original and entertaining"
 * 4) *Checks out. From site: "...with such forceful musicality that the literal meaning of such lines is usually eclipsed by his delivery. Buckshot raps in an aggressively playful way throughout the album, bringing flow after flow to the table while effortlessly altering his inflection and switching his structure."
 * 5) Footnote 10: "The album also spawned a number of additional remixes. Along with "Buck Em Down" and "I Got Cha Opin", the tracks "Ack Like U Want It", "Son Get Wrec", "Shit Iz Real", "How Many MC's..." and "U Da Man" all featured remixes, which were later included on Black Moon's Diggin' in Dah Vaults compilation"
 * 6) *Checks out. Track listing on site includes remixes of all listed songs.
 * 7) Footnote 12: "Enta Da Stage has also been described as "Era defining""
 * 8) *Checks out. From site: "Black Moon’s era-defining 1993 Enta Da Stage"
 * 9) Footnote 14: "Though praised for its originality and production, Enta Da Stage has also seen criticism for its monotony and lack of lyrical substance. Rolling Stone magazine gave the album a humble 3 Star rating, and criticized the release for "ignorance", and claimed that the release failed to capitalize on its promise, stating that "They leave blank the ultimate canvas - the self.""
 * 10) *Checks out. " In refusing to commodify themselves, they leave blank the ultimate canvas – the self."
 * 11) **The context given in the article seems to misrepresent the meaning of that statement. The reviewer isn't so much criticizing the musical credentials of the album as explaining why the band would not, in his opinion, be commercially successful (or so it seems to me)

--RobthTalk 11:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction
Text says "The album was produced entirely by DJ Evil Dee and Mr. Walt of Da Beatminerz." Infobox adds Buckshot. Which is correct? Rich Farmbrough, 12:04 24 February 2007 (GMT).

Was 5ft previously 5ft Accelerator or 5FT Accelerator? Rich Farmbrough, 12:37 24 February 2007 (GMT).

Adding country
This article supposes a knowledge of where East Coast hip hop comes from. All too often articles assume that readers will be familiar with the country of the subject that is being written about. The reader shouldn't have to link to another article or make inferences from the content of the article to work this out. We musn't make this assumption in an international encyclopaedia. So I added 'American'. Great article! 82.32.238.139 00:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Rationale of the image??
Avobe the images don't have any fair use rationale. Didn't anybody notice that? How can an article be judged as featured article without observing its image page (Whether they have proper rationale or not)?--NAHID 19:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Image:Entadastageback.jpg
 * Image:Blackmoonr.jpg
 * Image:Entadastagecdface.jpg
 * People forget to take a look at the images or simply are apathetic. I've opposed some recent FAC's (and withdrawn when the objections were addressed), but people just don't pay attention to media.  ShadowHalo 20:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * People should judge all matters along with media in an featured article.--NAHID 08:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm aware. That doesn't change the fact that they don't.  ShadowHalo 03:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Real Hip-Hop
I just want to say that I think the critique of this album, although good, is really missing the importance of the lyrical content of this album. The points of contention that I really have are


 * 1) 1. Referring to Rolling Stone as a credible source for the lyrical value of an album that was not, is not and will never be mainstream by any stretch of the imagination. This is a street album ... an underground legend. Thus, you should refer to those sources when building a critique of such an album.


 * 1) 2. Along the same lines you wrote that the album's lyrics contain nothing more than violence and braggadocio.

This album came out as a trail blazer that would lead to other albums by similar artists such as Nas' "Illmatic", Biggies "Ready To Die", Mobb Deeps "Tha Infamous" ... albums also critiqued as classic that have the violent braggadocio attached to them. The violent references are two fold. They are an expression of the artist themselves and where they are coming from, but more so, in a critic of social conditions in the inner-city, it is a commentary on what is actually happening in the ghettos of America. "Make Munne" is a classic example of this. That song isn't simply about making money. The song is about what money means to inner-city youth and the high value that society has attached to it. It's violent .. but, hey, George W. and his cronies are doing mass violence right now for the same thing. Same mentality, different level.

Another classic on the album "Slave" is an extremely pivotal track on the album. This song in itself describes why The Boot Camp Clik in general has never tried for commercial success. They are "Slaves" to real hip-hop. That song expresses the love for hip-hop music and its relationship to the streets. "Commercial rap get the gun clap day after day..."

"Enta Da Stage" the title track and the album in itself is an exemplification of what hip-hop is. Raw lyrics, raw beats, with the ability to move the crowd like none other to classic samples and breaks: definitively MC'ing.

One of the greatest albums in hip-hop history. Word up.

Brannu 21:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)BrannuBrannu 21:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Opinionated Statement
I just want to say, I deleted the quote "It is worth noting that Rolling Stone isn't a credible reviewer for rap albums(case in point, only giving 3 Feet High and Rising 3 stars)." It is a comment based on your opinion, not actual fact. What is good to 1 reviewer, may not be to another. If you were quoting someone else's conversation, where they said "Rolling Stone gives bad reviews," you may be able to use that. Even at that, you'd have to present it in a way where your comments wouldn't seem bias (i.e. You couldn't quote a bunch of negative comments against "Rolling Stone," w/o presenting positive ones...it would seem 1 sided). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.172.72.215 (talk) 19:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

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FA in need of review
This article was promoted in 2006 and has never been reviewed since. For such a short article, one can identify a number of problems/inconsistencies at a glance:


 * Lead: The album was produced by Black Moon member DJ Evil Dee along with Mr. Walt of Da Beatminerz.; Infobox: Producer - Da Beatminerz, Buckshot; Text: DJ Evil Dee and Mr. Walt of Da Beatminerz, who produced the album - The lead assumes that the reader already knows a lot of things, like DJ Evil Dee also being part of Da Beatminerz. Was Buckshot a producer or not? Da Beatminerz's Wiki page says "The duo produced the entirety of Black Moon's acclaimed debut album, Enta Da Stage...". All of this is very confusing (for someone who does not follow hip-hop) and should be clarified, especially if Allmusic says that this album enters the discussion of "the greatest hip-hop production efforts of all time".
 * The lead is too short and does not adequately cover every aspect of the article, particularly the album's legacy.
 * Speaking of legacy, when I read "Influence", I think about the influences on this album, not the influence the album had in others - that should be changed to Legacy;
 * Failed verification:
 * This source says nothing about Mr. Walt or Dewgarde Crib of Hits;
 * This source says nothing about signing to Nervous "based on the strength of the debut single" and does not have a single mention to "charts";


 * The failed verifications above show that this article is even less adequately reffed than it looks (ie. it lacks refs in the "between sentences", not only at the end of the paragraphs);
 * The Music section intro has a single ref that covers the quote, but the very first part about "the performance of lead MC Buckshot" and the nickname "Buckshot Shorty" are not mentioned in the source;
 * OhWord is a blog, should it be used at all?

I think that this article needs work to rise to current FA criteria, most notably:
 * Ref work, since right now they don't cover all the facts, especially the "between sentences" of paragraphs;
 * Expand the lead;
 * The article takes a lot for granted, like readers being familiar with group line-ups and braggadocio (rap). RetiredDuke (talk) 15:30, 23 November 2020 (UTC)