Talk:Enten controversy

Currency
As this is an article about Japan I think that all the amounts quoted ought to be in Yen. Dancarney (talk) 17:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. That makes sense. :) --➨♀♂ Candlewicke STundefined 17:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Quote
Not to draw away from the more serious discussion of improving this article, but the line from when the guy was arrested -- "I'm leading 50,000 people. Can they charge a company this big with fraud?" -- is absolutely priceless. Just had to point that out. 24.174.68.191 (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not to mention the one in the top corner. I'd say he'd be great for Wikiquote. --➨♀♂ Candlewicke STundefined 20:52, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Move
It's premature and a WP:BLP violation to term this a fraud, rather than a scandal. No fraud has been proven. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No scandal has been proven either. In fact that's a much worse word to use and one I've been told to avoid in the past. "Scandal" seems to suggest a swing in the other direction, i.e. that the scandal is the arrest of this nice and perfectly decent businessman who must be innocent because he says so... which isn't exactly neutral either... how many old women will it take for it to become a fraud? Or would a young woman be more likely to not be accused of having taken leave of her senses? --➨♀♂ Candlewicke STundefined 22:04, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If anything it is now worse so I'd suggest changing it back... it now seems to be suggesting that members of the general public are lying so as to bring down one individual who quite clearly isn't the full shilling... --➨♀♂ Candlewicke STundefined 22:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Has Enten been used to refer to anything else? No fraud has been clearly established, and "scandal" is innapropriate, as discussed above. Would suggest a move to Enten or (2009) Enten investment scheme. I don't quite understand why the year needs to be labelled (was/will this happen in another year?).--ZayZayEM (talk) 23:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The article has been moved to Enten investor fraud. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Until someone is found guilty of a crime in a criminal court, it should be referred to as an alleged fraud. --81.157.142.106 (talk) 23:27, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

What is needed is a term to describe such examples of ingenuity - where it is clear something not quite above board has taken place but where the precise nature of the non-legality has yet to be determined. Wilhelm Voigt might be another example - and the Frenchwoman of the late 19th century with her "mysterious bos" who talked up a monetary construct (name anyone?) Jackiespeel (talk) 13:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Moved to "Enten currency investigation" - npov title. Exxolon (talk) 19:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I really hate the overuse of the word 'controversy', as used in the tile currently, I don't think it's even necessary here. This article could simply be titled Enten and the article already at that page moved to Enten (deity). Dancarney (talk) 13:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Math Error
I fixed the currency exchange LOL. Previous text said USD 1.4 billion was equal to 1.2 YEN. Hahaha wow, I think we need to work a little bit on sourcing. It gave the false impression that the one lady who was quoted lost 30 million dollars, when in fact it would be somewhere around USD 300,000. Let's make sure this doesn't happen again! Wikifan12345 (talk) 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Update: Yes, it is billion and not trillion. Conversion calculator error. At least I found the error. LOL. Wikifan12345 (talk) 07:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank goodness mathematically inclined minds are on hand to resolve such situations. :) --➨♀♂ Candlewicke STundefined 04:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Haha. Wikifan12345 (talk) 08:19, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Investigation start?
The article opening line currently states that the "The Enten currency investigation began on 5 February 2009...". However, this is the date on which 22 executives were arrested, and, as mentioned further down in the article, the investigation began in 2007. --DAJF (talk) 04:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * How about rephrasing it to the investigation "was publicized" on 5 February 2009? --BorgQueen (talk) 04:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And we could rename the article to "Enten currency controversy"; "investigation" sounds rather awkward. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I moved the article and re-wrote the lead paragraph. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:42, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That makes it much clearer now. --DAJF (talk) 11:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Nami's Inspiration
It would be interesting to put that Nami derives inspiration from a 16 th century Japanese Warlord...Jon Ascton (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 04:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC).

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