Talk:Enterprise Rent-A-Car/Archive 1

Criticism
The information listed provides an unbiased description of this very large online community dedicated to talking about Enterprise Rent-A-Car. This page should not be a PR-generated puff piece about the company; there are some serious problems there and Failing Enterprise addresses them. Therefore, if information about Failing Enterprise site is desired, people can search for Failing Enterprise, not Enterprise Rent A Car. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.128.88.50 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

employees
Don't you think the statement "most employees hate working at Enterprise" can hardly be considered factual? I've been an Enterprise employee for 9 years, and while no company is perfect, I see no evidence that "most employees" hate working here. It would be pretty hard to employ over 60,000 if most hate working here. I'm not going to edit the entry since I'm not impartial. I don't expect Enterprise to be criticism free, but at least a statement of fact in an encyclopedia should be backed by some amount of evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.197.19.244 (talk • contribs) 19:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Pretty confident that 7,000 employees a year is not the highest in the US, anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.13.74.254 (talk • contribs) 17:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Age
Someone should find out how old someone needs to be to rent a car. I am 20 and I was able to rent a car from them but I had my dad with me at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajbhai87 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * With Enetrprise-Rent-A-Car (ERAC), regarding 18-20 year old renters: If your rental is being paid for by an insurance company directly through direct billing (because of a collision/comprehensive claim only), AND you meet certain insurance requirement qualifications, then you will be allowwed to rent. OR if your company has a corporate account then you MIGHT be allowed to drive as well. Other than that, ALL rentals MUST be aged 21 or more. (There is a fee for ages 21-24). Mrohsosexy (talk) 02:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Links
Anyone think that there is an inordinate number of external links on this page?Puchscooter 18:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Taken care of this, Wikipedia is not a collection of links Puchscooter 18:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

POV and signing comments
First thing first, a disturbing number of people commenting on this talk page have failed to sign their comments. When you make a comment on the talk page, always sign it by adding four tildes ( ~ ) at the end of your post. Thanks.

Second, this article sucks. If I look at the edit history, something like 90% of it is people either trying to say Enterprise is awesome or people trying to say Enterprise sucks. This is an encyclopedia people -- it's not supposed to say whether Enterprise rules or drools.

That whole "Employment" section should probably be deleted. It is okay to have a "Criticism" section, but when it was there, it was all about one website.

I sort of think that like 75% of this article should be deleted and then start fresh... Jaysweet 15:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm removing the criticism section, since it deals completely with a non-notable website. I am also removing the link to that non-notable webesite from the EL section, per WP:EL. - Crockspot 03:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Rosie?
I'm deleting the section about some supposed remarkable employee of ERAC from Milwaukee. It doesn't belong. 68.36.197.209 08:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
I have cleaned up the article in general. The biggest problem was the criticism section, which was solely about a self-published blog. I have removed the section, and the external link to that blog. If someone can come up with actual reliably-sourced criticism, feel free to add it to the article, but what was there was totally outside the bounds of Wikipedia policy. - Crockspot 04:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I hate to whine like this, but this article is a mess: Too many links about what makes/models of "might" be in what class of car (it completely depends on the region and availability, so it's pot luck what you get at each price level). There's no need for a Plug-In Hybrid wikilink in the See Also section (most pages don't need See Also sections, anyhow). The "Failing Enterprise" seems to be a non-POV addition to the site. A worthy company of inclusion, but an unworthy article.  Formulanone . one . two 20:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe that it's noteworthy to include the 'Criticism' section. If you were to go to an offline encyclopedia about the company, you certainly wouldn't see mention of a blog like this. Particularly, I don't see how it's accurate to say that FailingEnterprise is the online community for both customers and employees. There's nothing official about it. There's way too much content given too this typical complaint site. Masscritk (talk) 01:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

United Car Preps Association of Enterprise Rent A Car (UCPAERAC)
This is totally made up, so I removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masscritk (talk • contribs) 03:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

cars offered
since 2007 is over and today is 2008. Could someone who knows the company to edit the cars offered. Because some of the cars might be redesigned or discontinued by now Mike384 (talk) 02:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Enterprise-Rent-A-Car offers virtually ALL makes and modles of vehicles. The more "specialized" (or expensive!) models will tend to be found only in certain markets- large airports, or at Enterprise locations close to dealerships that sell and service that particular make (for example, close to a BMW dealership you will find BMW's. And yes, in Southern California, Enterprise DOES offer Bentleys!)You can always call your local office or airport location to inquire about specific makes and or models; however, with all car rental facilities, most makes or models cannot be promised- only the size.Mrohsosexy (talk) 02:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Criticism section
Seems POV and only supported to a small extent by the only citation. Needs properly citing and rewriting as NPOV, or deleting. --Rogerb67 (talk) 18:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Removed link to self-published criticism blog again. Gbondy (talk) 22:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I've deleted the section related to, and external link for, "Failingenterprise.com" - it does not appear to be at all notable, nor is it considered a reliable source. As an external link, it fails WP:EL #10 and #11. – xeno talk 16:21, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Since there is a reliable source, I think this perhaps should receive a slight mention as a compromise . – xeno talk 20:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's UNDUE - every major company has a complaint site. Walmartsucks.org, probably one of the better known complaint sites, is an EL on the Criticism of Wal-Mart page.  It's not a specific criticism, it's a general complaint site.  That's not encylopediac.  Wal-Mart's is widely known and is more than just a forum.  Failingenterprise just doesn't have much.  Minimal mention in a newspaper isn't enough.  Ravensfire ( talk ) 21:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Do feel free to trim it or cut it entirely. I felt that since there was a reliable source it could have a small mention (but not the large section and external link). – xeno talk 21:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Trivia?
I dont understand the "trivia" section. Is this a reference to the commercials that are airing during the Stanley Cup playoffs? I'm not hearing "Uniprise"

Enterprise Holdings vs. Enterprise Rent-A-Car vs. WeCar
I updated the article so that it covers both the new Enterprise Holdings and Enterprise Rent-A-Car (as well as a brief section on the company's WeCar subsidiary). It may be wise to have Enterprise Holdings, Enterprise Rent-A-Car, and WeCar be separate articles but I leave that for someone else to work on. 72.244.201.95 (talk) 02:09, 17 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Moved paged to Enterprise Holdings, the others redirect here. Doesn't seem to be enough for separate articles yet. – xeno talk 17:25, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

In regards to the Impala information there is some misinformation and speculation from and uncredited source. GM offers Fleet branded cars that are different than ones sold to the general public. The Impala's side curtain airbags were not standard on "fleet" models and the time. Enterprise did no actively ask GM to take the airbags out, but merely chose a package that did not include them.

Clearly this needs citation and I am not savvy with this stuff, just thought somone who cleans up this page may want to look into this fact since the Impala comments in this article seems biased and not entirely true or omitting facts (however you want to look at it)

Other things that may want to be included in article are 28 mpg average for fleet, The Enterprise Foundation that donates moneys to local charities throughout the country and Andy Taylor's Million Tree Pledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.201.166 (talk) 01:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Technical problem with references
Notice the references on line 1? Someone recently updated this article and did not reference their edit correctly. I'll watch the page and try and find time but I'm kind of new so it may take me some time to figure out where to cut and paste the ref's. Raquel_Baranow (talk) 03:54, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move. Discussion of splitting off a new article for the holding company should continue below.--Cúchullain t/ c 16:10, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Enterprise Holdings → Enterprise Rent-A-Car – The way I see it, there are two similarly-named entities here: Enterprise Rent-A-Car, the business where consumers go to rent cars; and Enterprise Holdings, the holding company that owns the aforementioned business. Notwithstanding the fact that I just rewrote the lead section, the bulk of this article is about Enterprise Rent-A-Car and so the article title should reflect that. I am willing to create a separate article on Enterprise Holdings, consistent with the separate articles on American Airlines and AMR Corporation, or Alaska Airlines and Alaska Air Group. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:15, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - there probably needs to be some guidance on this written into Naming conventions (companies), as Holdings invariably exist (for tax reasons etc.) but are not as notable as the public-facing brand/company doing 99% of turnover. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:19, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose – the proposal would be fine if this holding company didn't also operate National Car Rental, Alamo Rent a Car, PhillyCarShare, and WeCar. Perhaps a separate article on the Enterprise Rent-A-Car subsidiary can be written as well – Wbm1058 (talk) 22:24, 6 December 2012 (UTC) Hey, maybe I shouldn't respond so fast. Yes, I see what you're saying. Just be sure to carve out at least a stub for the holding company. Wbm1058 (talk) 22:49, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I have started a userspace draft on an article on the holding company; see User:Kuyabribri/Enterprise Holdings. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 20:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - per others below, looks like there's a unanimous consensus. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll Support the proposed move with the requirement that the draft version be moved in to replace this article at the time of this move. Also, appropiate article cleanup should be made to remove redundant material.  Additional cleanup can follow.  Inbound links can be fix prior to the move by simply changing them to the correct rental car company redirect. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:03, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support in accordance with Vegaswikian, including the moving of the draft into the mainspace. Tiggerjay (talk) 08:31, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support exactly as proposed by Vegaswikian and supported by Tiggerjay. Good draft. Andrewa (talk) 08:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Types of vehicles available to rent
The facts given in this section appear to apply for USA branches only. Here is a list of vehicles to be rented in Germany: Audi,BMW,Chevrolet,Citroën,Ford,Hyundai,Jaguar,Mini,Nissan,Opel,Peugeot,Renault,Seat,Škoda,Smart,Toyota,Volkswagen,Volvo. I think you cannot say these are "mostly" General Motor cars. There are most German makes except Mercedes available and I do not see a preferential treatment of any make.--Hundehalter (talk) 19:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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