Talk:Entheogen/Archives/2020

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 * Entheogens


 * Biotas

In essence, all psychoactive drugs that are biosynthesized in nature by cytota (cellular life), can be used in an entheogenic context or with entheogenic intent. To exclude non-psychoactive drugs that sometimes also are used in spiritual context, the term "entheogen" refers primarily to drugs that have been categorized based on their historical use. Toxicity does not affect a drug's inclusion (some can kill humans), nor does effectiveness or potency (if a drug is psychoactive, and it has been used in a historical context, then the required dose has also been found).

The substances vary from psychoactive drugs, and less often physical painful or dangerous venoms (Bullet ant, and Nightshades respectively).


 * Extracts

Many man-made chemicals with little human history have been recognized to catalyze intense spiritual experiences, and many synthetic entheogens are simply slight modifications of their naturally occurring counterparts. Some synthetic entheogens like 4-AcO-DMT are theorized to be prodrugs that metabolize into the natural psychoactive, similar in nature to how the synthetic compound heroin is deacetylated by esterase to the active morphine. While synthesized DMT and mescaline is reported to have identical entheogenic qualities as extracted or plant based sources, the experience may wildly vary due to the lack of numerous psychoactive alkaloids that constitute the material. This is similar to how pure THC is very different than an extract that retains the many cannabinoids of the plant such as cannabidiol and cannabinol.
 * Chemicals

-- Jytdog (talk) 01:12, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Merger proposal
The article is long. I suggest that we merge this list along with Entheogen to List_of_entheogenic/hallucinogenic_species as suggested here. However List_of_entheogenic/hallucinogenic_species should be renamed because not only species (plants/fungi) are involved but also synthetic chemicals like 2C-B, DPT. --Jilja (talk) 07:19, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think this is a good move. We can probably just call it List of entheogens. A similar move was made splitting List of designer drugs from Designer drug Sizeofint (talk) 17:06, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The above list needs sourcing issues fixed before inclusion. However, if we go through with this we can WP:PRESERVE it on that article's talk page until it is ready. Sizeofint (talk) 17:11, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Done, I updated List of entheogenic/hallucinogenic species. --Bawanio (talk) 11:07, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Synasthesia causing drugs?
Synasthesia is not a "god". The article should point out that these are synasthesia causing drugs in general, by unserious factors claimed a god. It is nothing but "the old Satan". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:FE0:C700:2:687C:E90D:DA70:B07D (talk) 10:29, 20 October 2020 (UTC)