Talk:Entre a Mi Mundo

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Copy editing: 6/18/17 UTC
Hi! I am currently copy editing this article for the GOCE June Blitz. I will keep a task list of what I am planning to do/have done to this article on this page. If anyone has any questions, suggestions, or comments relating to my copy editing, please let me know. Also, please feel free to add tasks to the task list. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 08:09, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Discussion (CE 6/18/17)
''This section is for questions, suggestions, or comments relating to my copy editing. Notice added by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) at 08:09, 18 June 2017 (UTC).''

Tag resolving (CE 6/18/17)

 * Thanks for your copyedits to the article. As I skimmed through the article I found several "clarify" tags that did not explain what you did not get while reading the text you highlighted. I am going to add those below here and maybe you can help me understand what you did not get or explain what needs to be clarified. – jona  ✉ 20:15, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * a habit that Pérez found to be surprising giving the amount of importance that the group put on it.
 * Does this mean that Pérez was surprised at how much importance the group put on sequencing the music? This is the only reasonable conclusion I can pull out of this sentence, but it seems like there could be others. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The first one, I am assuming that with Shelly Lares they did not put that much of an importance on their production sequence than with Selena and her band, so he was flabbergasted. – jona  ✉ 12:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I find this explanation very confusing. Can you rephrase it? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Perez found it surprising that the new group (Los Dinos) put so much importance on the music sequencing during the production of this album. – jona  ✉ 01:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation! I will change the sentence accordingly. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:34, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * her first songwriting credit since "My Love" (1989)
 * What is a "songwriting credit"? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Where her name appears as a songwriter or co-writer of a song on the album's liner notes. – jona  ✉ 12:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response! Is there some way that this can be expressed in the article, less confusingly than it is right now? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It was the first song she wrote since "My Love" in 1989. – jona  ✉ 01:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation! I will change the sentence accordingly. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:34, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * "their" - you asked to explain who, but the text does say the narrator "compares their love to a flower"
 * The real question I want to know is if the love that the narrator is talking about is
 * her relationship with her ex-lover, or
 * her ex-lover's relationship with his new lover.
 * Does the text specify one way or the other? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The song describes a woman who sees her former lover with another woman, she (the woman former lover) compares their (former lovers) love to a flower that has withered and died. – jona  ✉ 12:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response! This is very clear. I will change the text to express this. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * "believing California was then fixated with the singer." - this is what's written in the book, I believe the author meant that the crowd was captivated by the singer's performance and wrote the text as if the crowd represented California.
 * In that case, the text should probably be removed, as it is then redundant. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * I'm not sure what you mean by "non sequitur" for the text that states the singer's Spanish was far from fluent?
 * The non sequitur here is as follows (paraphrased): Tejanos were looked down on, and the singer's Spanish was far from fluent. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of that so I'm not sure what you are saying. – jona  ✉ 12:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I actually just realized that there is no non sequitur in the text, as both sentences are related to the sentence before them, so I will remove the tag. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * "backbonning" - is exactly quoted from Paredez' text
 * The purpose of Template:Sic is to say that the text, while ungrammatical, is an exact quote. Since it is an exact quote, then one of two things should happen:
 * If the slip is textually important, the "?" parameter should be removed from the template, making it appear as follows: [sic]
 * If the slip is not textually important, the "sic" template should be removed and the typo should be corrected.
 * Please let me know if the slip is textually important or not. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) Message written at 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC); ping added at 00:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * – jona  ✉ 13:02, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * How does one contribute as an Amazon.com music editorial? - Joey Guerra is a music journalist for the Houston Chronicle who did a promotional editorial piece for Amazon.com's market page for the album.
 * In that case, the text "Contributing as an Amazon.com music editorial, Joey Guerra" should be changed to "Joey Guerra, doing a promotional editorial piece for Amazon.com,". Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * "helped challenged"
 * Does this mean "helped challenge", "helped and challenged", or something else? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The first one. – jona  ✉ 12:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer! I will change the article accordingly.
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * What does it mean to "continue [ones] streak" at something? - she previously won the award.
 * Thanks for the update! Which award? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The awards that are linked in that same sentence. – jona  ✉ 12:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * So Selena won both awards previously, and then won them again? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is not uncommon for performers to win awards consecutively year after year. – jona  ✉ 01:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification! I will change the sentence accordingly. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:34, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * Shouldn't this be "the two-week period"? - I'm not even sure if Billboard reported a two-week sales period for the chart itself, all I know that it was bi-weekly during this time period.
 * In that case, I suppose that the "clarify" tag can then be removed. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * EMI Latin then considered Selena y Los Dinos a commercial group. - According to Chris Perez (in his book), after the album debuted on the Top Latin Albums chart, the company considered the group a "commercial group".
 * What is a "commercial group"? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The author does not give specifics of what he means of what a commercial group is. – jona  ✉ 12:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Since a "commercial group" does not seem to mean anything (see this and this), I will simply remove the text talking about "commercial group" from the article. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * "her back catalogue." - her previous albums
 * In that case, "her back catalogue" should be changed to "her previous albums". Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)
 * In music terminology, it is appropriate to say "back catalogue" when an album is older than 18 months and saying "her previous albums" makes the prose weak since they both actually mean the same thing. – jona  ✉ 12:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification! I will revert the text, and provide a link to Wiktionary as a footnote for those who do not know what a back catalogue is. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋), reverting previous implementation in this thread


 * What's this for? - The RIAA is the official issuer in music certifications in the United States, sales figures are often higher (by reporters and music companies who often inflate and over exaggerate) than what is certified by the RIAA who certifies based on shipments not sales in the country.
 * In the phrase "As of December 2002, the album had been certified six-times platinum (Latin)", I'm not quite sure why the phrase "(Latin)" is there. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The album was certified 6x platinum (Latin) = 600,000 units and not the standard 6x platinum = 6,000,000 units. There's a difference between what the RIAA certifies for a Latin album than a standard album (non-Latin). – jona  ✉ 12:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see a RIAA certification for Latin music on the RIAA certification page. Can you direct me to a source that specifies that in Latin music, platinum = 100,000 units? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Here's the link – jona  ✉ 01:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link! I will change the sentence so that it will use the link. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:34, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't actually figure out how to change the sentence properly., can you do so for me, or give me some advice on how do so? Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ – jona  ✉ 13:02, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Tag resolving 2 (CE 6/18/17)

 * Were Vela and Astudillo involved in overseeing production and track composing, or just track composing? - no Selena's brother A.B. Quintanilla oversaw production of the album.
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * Which group was trying to feed their families: the street vendors, or the dance club patrons? I would assume the street vendors, but the usage of the word "who" implies the dance club patrons. - The street vendors were trying to feed their families.
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * Their - Full Force's recording studio.
 * ✅ by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋)


 * More than what? - emotion and soul
 * What I meant to be asking was: It says that she added "more emotion and soul" into her music. What I'm wondering is: What is this compared to? Where she did not have as much "emotion and soul" in her music? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 04:30, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The source does not specify at which point from when she improved on, my guess is from her previous studio album but that's just my opinion it could have been a collective of her two previous studio recordings but not sure. – jona  ✉ 15:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

For the two currently unresolved items, I'm not quite sure what to do with them. On one hand, there is nothing that can be done to make them less ambiguous while remaining true to the sources; on the other hand, keeping them in this state is ambiguous, making it somewhat confusing due to its ambiguity. I can't figure out a solution to this problem. If you can help me find a solution, that would help tremendously! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:18, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Since when? - source does not specify, but he has wrote songs since the band began recording albums and producing since the late 1980s. – jona  ✉ 14:03, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Phrase redundancy (CE 6/18/17)
I noticed that, in the lede, the word "diverse" is used twice (once as "diversity", in the following sentence part, occuring in the lede (emphasis added):
 * The group members' diverse backgrounds aided in the diversity of the genres explored on Entre a Mi Mundo

The re-use of the word "diverse" twice in the same area appears again in the Composition section, in the following paragraph (emphasis and ellipses added):
 * The band members came from diverse backgrounds, which added to the album's influence [...]. The album contained a diverse musical style

Can you help me figure out a way to change one of these occurences of the word "diverse" in each of these cases to another word without losing the meaning in either case? Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 04:11, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I am not too sure what could be replaced to make the sentence remain true. – jona  ✉ 14:05, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Task list (CE 6/18/17)
''This section is for marking tasks needing to be done concerning this article. Unless stated otherwise, tasks are to be done by me,. Notice added by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) at 08:09, 18 June 2017 (UTC).''
 * ✅ First copy edit of article.
 * ✅ Tagging of parts of the article that I cannot clean up myself.
 * ✅ Second copy edit of article.
 * ✅ Resolving of tags added before the final copy edit by and me.
 * ✅ Final copy edit and related tagging.
 * Resolving of tags added during the final copy edit by and me.