Talk:Environment of China/Archive 1

The Great Wall Picture
This picture is not trdudtrudegood because you can not tell it was due to fog or smog. 192.174.37.50 14:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

"China"/"PRC" vs. "mainland China" for page titles
Following the long discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) regarding proper titling of Mainland China-related topics, polls for each single case has now been started here. Please come and join the discussion, and cast your vote. Thank you. &mdash; Instantnood 14:50, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

Original Research or Copyvio?
This chunk of text felt like a cut n paste to me but I haven't confirmed that, rather I've moved it here for people to have a go at improving.

--72.79.9.170 (talk) 02:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)--72.79.9.170 (talk) 02:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)--72.79.9.170 (talk) 02:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)--72.79.9.170 (talk) 02:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)--72.79.9.170 (talk) 02:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)--72.79.9.170 (talk) 02:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)===China's Environment:  International Interest===

Studying China's current export vs. environment paradox is, indeed, one with many parallels throughout the world's industrialized cultures. China's particular situation at the outset of the 21st century presents one particular contrast to other historic industrial expansions. Not only is China's industrial infrastructure expanding at a rapid, reputedly unrestricted pace; China is also experiencing difficult cultural issues as China's government and society begin tepid integration with more westernized societies.

In the United States at the outset of the twentieth century, industrial pollution clogged metropolitan centers as the landscape and boundaries of many U.S. cities were formed. This parallel can be contrasted to several differences between the U.S. industrial awakening and the rapid growth of industrial mainland China. First, much of the industrial U.S. growth was in response to burgeoning new industries developed with first-run mechanical technology. This "first mover" status granted the U.S. a minor reprieve, as the unsavory results of many industrial processes could not be fully understood until years or decades after their development. Secondly, the United States government remained largely unchanged during the early industrial period. Thirdly, free market conditions existing in the United States catalyzed the creation of regulatory authorities to introduce a modicum of safety and environmental protection.

Many of the international complaints regarding China's intensifying environmental concerns either ignore or dismiss China's unknown timetable with regard to this unfolding "industrial revolution." Critics' condemnation might cite the enormous technical evidence and accepted scientific basics that regard China's industrial growth patterns as environmentally unwise. Proponents of China's newfound industry may also utilize similar historic arguments in favor of China's rising exports and economic westernization. Ultimately, every known industrialized society has recognized the benefits of modernization have necessitated environmental regulation to offer various types of socioeconomic protection. Different countries have responded to these needs in markedly diverse ways, however the combined knowledge gained during the twentieth century has provided a common knowledge base of fundamental environmental strategies. Some strategies and scientific beliefs are more commonly accepted than others, while many are society-specific or germane to certain scientific circles. The divergent sciences associated with environmental issues are further complicated by the universal groups affected by and interested in the numerous cause:effect relationships. Commercial, ecological, social, medical, governmental, educational, legal and religious concerns regularly present vociferous arguments for or against the minutae of industrial issues. China's industrialization, as one of the most watched stories of the burgeoning twenty-first century, is a critical study of perspective. For some, it is difficult to deny China its opportunity to follow an industrial quickening of a timetable and pace comfortable for a soverign nation. The greater China's integration with other first world societies, as these theories are presented, the better chance China might improve basic human rights or forge a responsible environmental treatise. For others, it is difficult to watch China repeat the well-documented mistakes of the 20th century industrial revolutions [to the potential detriment of its ecology and citizenry]. Again, critical analysis of perspective is key should a reasonable review of any of the myriad related issues be sought. China's current difficulties in management, delivery and/or availability of certain natural resources would indicate a present, legitimate need to dedicate considerable time to reviewing its industrial decisions. The potential discussions on this topic are difficult to exhaust, as China's industrial invigoration could provide the very capital necessary to implement any serious, comprehensive environmental modification.

The United States and People's Republic of China have been engaged in an active program of bilateral environmental cooperation since the mid-1990s, with an emphasis on clean energy technology and the design of effective environmental policy. While both governments view this cooperation positively, the PRC has often compared the US program, which lacks a foreign assistance component, with those of Japan and several European Union (EU) countries that include generous levels of aid.

Intro
In my opinion, the intro is too long: Nearly 50% of the article. 80.113.218.84 10:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

The intro is actually cut and pasted, from http://www.answers.com/topic/environment-of-china... Akid100 18:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

You're kidding, right? Answers.com takes its content from Wikipedia, not vice versa.--Daveswagon 18:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Confusing Sentence
According to the People's Republic of China's own evaluation, two-thirds of the 338 cities for which air-quality data are available are considered polluted--two-thirds of them moderately or severely so.

Does this mean

1)two-thirds of the 338 cities for which air-quality data is available are considered moderately or severely polluted,

or

2) two-thirds of the 338 cities for which air-quality data is available are considered polluted. Two-thirds of this two-thirds are moderately or severely polluted.

I think it means (2) but the grammar of that sentence is not very good either. Either way it was confusing. "is" should replace "are" because the subject is "data" (single) and not "cities" (plural)

[NB: data is plural, single is datum]

Deforestation
The section on deforestation in Indonesia does not belong here. This is related to an unenvironmental purchase that has its in affects Indonesia, and does NOT affect the environment in mainland China, so it should not be here.

Forestation
According to BBC website, China is one of the only few countries which have rapidly increased its forest coverage. Should I mentioned it in this section?

--193.108.87.31 (talk) 12:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Environment and development riots
I delete the following sentence:

On December 6 2005, up to 20 people were shot by police in the village of Donghzu in Guangdong Province. The incident was triggered by protests against the government's seizing of land to build a power plant.

Reason: Obviously, the riot was caused by illegal land seizure, not relating to environment problem. Sinolonghai 19:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Off-topic?
Shouldn't this be a separate topic titled "Environmental Pollution in Mainland China" or something similar? The current title is about the Environment, but the entire article discusses pollution issues and nothing about the actual geography of the country. Or am I mistaken and just missed the geography article? BigManChili 05:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. The article seems to be biased or incomplete in that regard.--Daveswagon 14:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You might be looking for geography of China. Richard001 (talk) 01:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

China's Transportation Trends
I think this page should make reference to the change in transportation trends in China as well. And the 'Transport in the People's Republic of China' page should make reference to 'the bicycle'. I cannot provide a link but I remember reading that before (about) 1980 you needed a special permit to drive a car, as opposed to now where bicycles are banned from many roads. I think this is relevant to China's environment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.238.161.204 (talk) 16:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Environmental issues
I don't see the difference between environmental issues in the People's Republic of China and this page. This is a big article and should no doubt have daughter and overlapping articles, but what exactly is that article supposed to be about, or, if you like, how is it different from this one? Richard001 (talk) 01:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)