Talk:Environmental Defense v. Duke Energy Corp.

A bit lopsided
Yes, there's a bit of shoehorning going on, but it does serve to demonstrate the lopsided nature of this article. The background information is way too much. A lot of this info is covered in those articles' pages. Only content relevant to this case should be in this article. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that the amount of background information was excessive, but restored the original section structure, which I thought was more structured and made more sense (Background should not include things like the parties and facts of the case, etc.) Thanks for helping edit this! Dcoetzee 18:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, where do you put facts of the case if not in the background section? This article is about the U.S. Supreme Court case, so you generally have three sections: background to the case ("Background"), the Court's holding ("Opinion of the Court"), and then subsequent developments ("Subsequent developments").
 * The parties section is unusual for a U.S. Supreme Court article and seems completely necessary to me. It's two paragraphs of irrelevant information about the parties (including Duke's mission statement); this is all information that readers can find in the articles of those subjects or on those subjects' Web sites. The entire "Parties" section can be cut, as far as I'm concerned. Similarly, the prior cases section is all background to the main topic of this article: the U.S. Supreme Court case. So it makes sense to put that info in the background section and beef up the other sections to make the article better balanced. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. I haven't looked closely at other SCOTUS articles - my intuition is that the prior decisions on the same case in lower courts are especially relevant and it doesn't make a lot of sense to split those into other articles. I agree that the description of the parties can be cut down (I think a one sentence summary of each with a link would be sufficient in this context). The background section feels a bit verbose, but it does focus on the definition of "modification" in each statute which is the bit that is relevant to this case - other parts of the background description might be reduced. Dcoetzee 05:31, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Right. It's mostly a matter of paring down the background info. Some of it is plainly irrelevant and can be easily cut.
 * One of the benefits I see to following the format adopted by WP:SCOTUS is that it forces the writer to focus on why this case is being discussed: because it's a U.S. Supreme Court case. That gives it pretty much inherent notability here, so it's important to try to keep the article well-balanced between background info, the opinion itself, and its impact or other subsequent developments.
 * Looking at the current version of this article, what should be the real meat and potatoes of the article is covered in two paragraphs. The opinion itself is a decent length, so there should be more to say. (We're not talking about a paragraph per curiam opinion here or anything!) There's some real substance to the Court's opinion (and Thomas's concurrence) and that should be the heart of this article.
 * There's currently a weird imbalance, but the two easiest ways to address that are to cut the unimportant bits from the background section and flesh out the two other sections. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:34, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for helping to edit our article! Where would you suggest to add more info to in order to make the article more well-rounded and less lopsided? Ymauricia (talk) 23:09, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied above. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 04:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Peer Review
I think it is a well organized and extremely thorough article, you both obviously put a lot of work into this, great job!! ElleJean 18:50, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

You both did an impeccable job laying out the elements of this case in a thoughtful way. The "significance" portion explained why the case was relevant and what sort of precedent was set by it, which helped me to organize my thoughts while reading through the facts. rrosa3005 22:45, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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