Talk:Environmental justice

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Archiving talk page
As much if not all of the material on this talk page was dated, I've archived it; it is now accessible (and searchable) via the talk header... DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:13, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Section on USDA
The section on EJ at the USDA may be interesting, but seems out of balance for the article as a whole. I would suggest that it be spun off to a separate 'daughter' article. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:13, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I was just looking at doing this. I agree that the section on the USDA is WP:UNDUE. Unfortunately, nearly all the references in this section are from the USDA, and I don't think there are enough secondary sources to establish notability for its own article. The material might be more appropriate in the article on the USDA, but I think it would even be a little unwieldy there. It seems to me that much of it should be cut. Some of it reads like a USDA promotional pamphlet. I'm interested in this article on EJ, and I'd like to move some of this USDA material out of the article, but I'm not sure where to put it. Thoughts?Larataguera (talk) 14:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have cut the USDA material by about 80%. I think most of the material was a highly detailed and excessively wordy description of internal USDA operation that is not especially notable. If anyone would like to review the material I have cut, it may be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Environmental_justice&oldid=1052109238. I am also going to put the edited material into USDA with a note in the talk page as to where it came from in case anyone there has interest in the material I have cut. (It's possible that the section here should be transcluded from the USDA article.) Larataguera (talk) 12:27, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Including Environmental Injustices?
I think that this article is very informative. However, I feel that this article should represent more of a worldwide view of the subject of justice by exploring environmental injustices. Looking at the impacts on countries in which the United States obtains most of their resources would look into more of the injustices that certain countries and peoples face. I think that this would make the article a bit more well-rounded. It is a very interesting article though! Annkat22 (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

History of Environmental Justice
This post is generally informational and covers the basics of Environmental Justice but I have two problems. The first is that there is not enough information about the history of Environmental Justice and the various movements that influenced Environmental Justice. Related to that, the references to Environmental Justice around the world should be prefaced with their specific history and how/if it relates to the United States. Kennedy.aok (talk) 02:03, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Citations and Structure
Hello, overall this is a really good and in depth article on environmental justice. I like how the citations are from a variety of reliable sources and the information comes from books written by experts in the field and not from opinion blogs or other bias sources. However, I think the structure could be improved as the introduction leaves out some of the big picture about where environmental justice fits into society. Also, I don't quite understand how it is structured so i would suggest maybe structuring it chronologically documenting important environmental justice events such as the Flint Michigan lead poisoning event recently. Thank you! Wiki$ (talk) 04:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Critiques of the article
Information to be added: In the background section of Government agencies, it is made out that the USDA does not have any sub-branches supporting it. It should have more breakdown and highlight these sub-groups or an attached link to the USDA.Gov website. In the section: Emergency planning & Right to know Act of 1986, under the Right-to-know movement, it is missing a URL to take you to the page that can further explain that Act.

Quinn SchmidtQuinn Schmidt11 (talk) 23:55, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

For section "around the world"...
In the section titled "around the world", more information should be included under the sections "in australia" and "in ecuador" if information is accessible. In the subsection "in ecuador", a link to a site that does not exist is included and should be removed or replaced. "In Ecuador" also only gives an example of an environmental injustice but does not discuss the topic in the context of Ecuador in broader terms. Adding more information on how environmental justice is perceived/handled in Ecuador might make this subsection stronger. The subsection titled "building of alternatives to climate change" should include a citation after the information given. Slimeman123 (talk) 03:09, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

History Section
This article could use a history section dicussing the evolution of Environmental Justice. Where did the movement start? Examples of successful and maybe not so successful Environmental Justice movements that are tied to the history of it. I see that some of the history has been embedded in other sections of this article, but I think a history over view before you delve into other specifics about Environmnetal Justice would be helpful to informing the reader more on the subject.Kgarvey12 (talk) 03:44, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Fix/add citations and add "access"
There are many areas that require citations and those that do may have broken links. I would like to refer to your subsection "Cost barriers" which cites a magazine only accessible by paid users; in addition to its inaccessibility, the source is not a quality reference.

One section that may be interest to incorporate to the article is the idea of “access” injustices has frequently been discussed as a consequences of humans on the environment, and inversely, back on humans. However, equal access to clean water, air, etc is also an unjust issue that may not be anthropologically induced (i.e. no access to clean water in Middle East b/c lacks funding and resources for desalination) Kimdo1 (talk) 06:20, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Potential Edits
I am interested in addressing several suggestions that have been left on the Environmental Justice article’s talk page, potentially including general organization, writing a history section, adding more citations to several sections of the article, refining citations that require readers to pay a subscription fee to view, and adding more global examples of environmental injustice, including in Latin America. 99.203.26.80 (talk) 03:18, 11 September 2020 (UTC) ebweav
 * I recommend logging in so that it easier for us to communicate with you! Welcome! See my recommendations on the Talk:Climate change and poverty article, Sadads (talk) 19:01, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Global environmental inequality into Environmental justice
article is an essay on a topic that is already covered in environmental justice -- shouldn't be a separate article Sadads (talk) 20:54, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree. Right to a healthy environment shouldn't be a separate article either for the reason mentioned by Sadads.  Sandcherry (talk) 20:50, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

yes
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 17:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Globalize
This article is heavily weighted toward environmental justice issues in the United States, and sections on other countries are very underdeveloped. There is also little mention of international environmental justice issues, such as the dumping of toxic waste in the global south. Unless there are objections, I may move much of this material to an article for 'environmental justice in the United States', and leave only a summary of that material in this article. Then, if material about international EJ issues were expanded, this article would be more balanced.Larataguera (talk) 12:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The proposed merge (above) with Global environmental inequality could help a little, as there is a small amount of more global information there.Larataguera (talk) 12:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

The page Environmental Racism in the United States was created about the time I proposed (above) to move US-based content from this article to Environmental justice in the United States, and there is currently a discussion at Talk:Environmental Racism in the United States to move that page to Environmental justice in the United States. Please participate on that talk page. Larataguera (talk) 01:26, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that there was not enough information regarding how globalization has impacted the international environmental justice issues, it focused too heavily on the US. This view is a bit biased. --Emnh133 (talk) 05:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Proposed reorganization of EJ page
There is a lot of great information on this page, but I think the organization of headings and subheadings could be dramatically improved for readability. I propose moving the "environmental discrimination" section to instead be a subsection of the definition. I also propose adding a section that is US specific, and moving into that section the subheading for hazardous waste (then adding other areas of focus, such as clean air and clean water). Grace.jana07 (talk) 23:22, 17 November 2021 (UTC)grace.jana07


 * thanks for your interest in this article. I’ve been working on cleaning it up for a while now, but it’s still a mess. It would be great to have some help! Here are my thoughts for continued work on this article:
 * The article is imbalanced toward coverage of the US. I agree there should be a section specific to the US, but I think it should be a short summary and have a hatnote (main article: Environmental justice in the United States). Then we could move most of the US specific content over to that article. Currently we have ‘Environmental racism in the United States’. I’ve proposed broadening that title, and I see that you have made this suggestion also. Whatever the title, a lot of this article belongs over there. (I think the content should ideally be heavily edited for wordiness and quality before it’s moved to avoid overwhelming that articleit’s a nice article, and I hate to dump a bunch of low-quality content into it).
 * I do want to add other sections in addition to hazardous waste as you suggest, although I’m not sure ‘clean air’ and ‘clean water’ are the right direction. I was thinking about organizing the headings along the lines of [this article], which would suggest the additional headings ‘resource extraction’ and ‘land appropriation’. (This makes sense to me, because it follows a scheme from a WP:RS, and also because hazardous waste can pollute both air and water, as can resource extractionso we would be describing the causes of environmental injustice, not the manifestations.)
 * In short, I've been working on moving US-centered content into the US-centered article and working toward globalizing this article. (As well as correcting flat-out errors, making things more succinct, and improving sourcing). Thanks again for your interest in this article, and I hope you’ll make some contributions! Larataguera (talk) 01:13, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Inclusion of Progressivism sidebar template
It looks like this article used to be included in the progressivism series (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Progressivism_sidebar&oldid=531162004) but isn't any more. Do people have any thoughts on removing the template from the article? The inclusion of social justice but not other forms of justice in the template seems questionable, I wonder whether it would be more consistent to just list justice in the template. Zaelzo (talk) 19:33, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Critique of environmentalism section
I was wondering whether some of this content would make more sense in other articles (such as Environmentalism). Perhaps this section could be reframed to focus more on the relationship between environmental justice and environmental ideas and activism more broadly (it could be called "Role in environmentalism" or something like that). Do people have thoughts on that? Zaelzo (talk) 19:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Now that I'm thinking about it more, maybe a section on other movements with subsections would make more sense, like this:
 * Relationship to other movements and philosophies
 * - Environmentalism (currently Critique of environmentalism)
 * - Reproductive justice (currently Contributions of the Reproductive Justice Movement)
 * - Climate justice (currently Climate change)
 * Zaelzo (talk) 19:58, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * , thanks for your attention to this article. I do think that the critique of environmentalism here should be included in Environmentalism, which has a criticism section that isn't especially good. I think a broader treatment of the relationship between EJ and other movements would also benefit this article, and your suggestion above seems reasonable enough. It would probably help with the organization of the article overall. I hope you will make some more contributions to the article! Thanks Larataguera (talk) 20:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Larataguera thank you for your input! I made some edits. Zaelzo (talk) 06:17, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Lots of problems
There's a lot of subtle non-neutrality throughout. For example, right in the intro, it states "to address the unfair exposure", and in the next sentence, it states "this pattern of inequitable exposure". Conflating these terms implies that inequitable exposure is unfair, when it might not be.

Since this is a classic propaganda technique, we should avoid it here lest the entry be dismissed as such. 2601:145:502:2EE0:F45B:F136:2871:3A91 (talk) 13:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

US specific information in lead
Hello. I am going to remove the US-specific information that you added to the lead. This is a global article, and some of that information might fit in better in the subsection about the US (although that section is already too long!), or at Environmental racism in the United States. I find that there's a consistent creep in this article toward US-centrism, and I have to make a continual effort to keep in global in scope. I do really appreciate your attention to this article, and I think your additions about conflicts in Australia are really helpful. If you'd like to discuss anything, please just leave me a note here. Thanks! Larataguera (talk) 19:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Copyedited and added source
Copy edited and added an environmental justice issue to Peru section. In general, a lot of the countries descriptions can have more primary source information.

Squinn10 (talk) 13:20, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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Adding "water" section under "environmental discrimination and conflict" portion
Under the section “environmental discrimination and conflict” I am going to add a portion on Water. The topics underneath that section currently of hazardous waste, land appropriation, etc. frame this issue nicely but I think that water is also very relevant here and the way it has played a role in the environmental justice discourse. Oliviascott3 (talk) 23:42, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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