Talk:Enys family of Enys in Cornwall

Notability
A tag questioning notability has been attached to this article, requiring a response by 25 August 2009.

Garden
It is possible that the House and Garden should be in a separate article. The garden is particularly "notable" as thousands of people visit it at "Bluebell Time" and might reasonably expect a Wikipedia article, linked to ine on the Family who lived at Enys. I hope to provide a picture of the bluebell woods. The house, in its present state is not attractive, but its architect merited an ODNB article.
 * Has it been declared a "Garden of National Significance"? That would generally be the threshold of notability for a garden. dramatic (talk) 12:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Garden of National Significance" seems to be a New Zealand designation. I am not aware of a similar designation in the United Kingdom. Vernon White . . . Talk 14:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Links to other articles
As the Enys family lived at Enys for many centuries as "Landed gentry", they will crop up in records and diaries of many people and organisation. Although some are potentially only footnotes, this article will give researchers easy access to relevant source. Some particularly notable diarists, who mention them, are Caroline and Barclay Fox.

Action
I hope to improve the lead section, to highlight particular member of the family who distinguished themselves. I hope to alert the members of the Cornwall Wikiproject to the existence of the article and its proposed deletion, if they are not all on holiday, away from the summer trippers. Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 08:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Tag removed by DGG
User:DGG said "sufficient sources in the older literature for the house at least. Several members of the family are in DNB or have Times obits. This = notability."
 * Thanks for that. Can I now say that I have no connection with the Enys family, other than as a visitor to the estate in Bluebell time.  Vernon White  . . . Talk 09:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The issue with any article about a family is whether there are non-trivial sources discussing the significance of the family as a whole - e.g. a book (but excluding any self-published family histories). Thus plenty has been written about the Kennedys as a clan. I see no problem with articles on notable individuals. dramatic (talk) 12:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There doesn't appear to be a "serious" family history in the stock of Cornwall Libraries. I have requested - Enys, Valentine, 1653-1719 Cornwall, the Canaries and the Atlantic : the letter book of Valentine Enys . - Exeter : Institute of Cornish Studies, 1997 . - 0903686767, which may have some information about the family that produced Valentine Enys.  Landed gentry families are particularly significant in Cornwall.  The Buller family, for instance, owned several Seats in the Houses of Parliament.


 * The "notability" arises from the need for researchers to write a note about a historic person named in a journal, will, newspaper article.


 * Cornwall Record Office has on its catalogue 302 items which concern the word "Enys". It strikes me that this family is rather more significant than all the fantasy games, whose every whisper is documented in Wikipedia. If this article is NOT deleted, then someone may get round to writing a serious history of the family . . . soon, even. Vernon White  . . . Talk 17:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Enys family papers
''This is Cornwall" website Monday, July 26, 2010, Lottery cash secures Cornish historical manuscripts of local history

A unique collection of historical manuscripts charting 500 years of Cornish history are to remain in the county after a grant of more than £300,000 from the Heritage Lottery Fund.

Including the only two early works on the Cornish language in Cornwall, the archive of the Enys family of Penryn contains hundreds of documents, letters, photographs, volumes and maps dating from the 16th to the 20th century.

Cornwall Council has been awarded £327,980 so that the documents can stay at the Cornwall Record Office and be shared with the public.

Noted by Vernon White  '''. . . Talk''' 18:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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