Talk:Epididymal hypertension/Archive 1

Material moved from Talk:Blue Ball
(Two items, dated
 * 01:00, 2004 Mar 12 (UTC) and
 * 02:30, 2004 Mar 13 (UTC);

copied by Jerzy(t) 21:28, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC))

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LCCN: 76007000 //r85 ISBN: 0818402229 : Author: Ellis, Albert. Title: Sex and the liberated man / Albert Ellis. Edition: 1st ed. Publisher: L. Stuart, Date: c1976. Description: 347 p. ; 24 cm. Notes: Published in 1963 under title: Sex and the single man. Notes: Includes index. Notes: Bibliography: p. 309-336. Subject: Single men. Subject: Sex instruction for men. Subject: Rational-emotive psychotherapy.

The author, an MD (his specialization is psychiatry), specifically discusses the condition in the 1963 edition (emphasis added above) from a medical point of view (and as a rational reason for intercourse!); presumably the 1976 one will also suffice. --Jerzy(t) 01:00, 2004 Mar 12 (UTC)

Someone asked for a technical term. The symptom is orchalgia or orchidalgia, per Dorland's 27th edn, p. 1187. --Jerzy(t) 02:30, 2004 Mar 13 (UTC)


 * The orchalgia definition in wikipedia specifies chronic pain. Does Dorland's text same the same? If so, then "blue balls" is different because it is acute pain.

Treatment for women with pelvic congestion?
The gals need help too! Where is this part of the article?

Social aspects
I feel that this page needs a section on the social implications of blue balls. However, 1) I don't feel entirely qualified to write about it and 2) I've already been accused of being overly politically correct this week on the pump so I'm not being bold, and I figured I'd discuss it first. Something about blue balls being a common tactic (at one time, less so now) for adolescent men to pressure young women into sex, or as an excuse for sexual assault. And make it clear that the thing to do about them is to masturbate, not blame the person you're with for not taking care of your erection for you. moink 18:00, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * that is a good idea, I thought it was fake and used SOLEY as a trick...Oreo man 02:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact, my health teacher actually told our class that blue balls didn't exist. Imagine my surprise later in life when I expereinced it for the first time :-(. (DonGaspar 01:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC))

Copied from Blue Ball
(The issues of this language are unrelated to disambiguation, but should be consistent with the article Blue balls.)

The following appears on Blue Ball but is more efficient to discuss here:
 * "Blue balls" is a modern slang term for a minor cramping men may get in the groin after they are sexually stimulated for a prolonged period but do not ejaculate.

--Jerzy(t) 21:28, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC)

Dorland's Illustrated Medical Dictionary conforms to common sense usage in saying a cramp is "a painful spasmodic muscular contraction", and the groin does have muscles. But blue balls is not a cramp, but an ache in the testicles (whose musculature is insignificant at most). Ellis emphasizes "congestion", which i take to imply that the pain reflects failure to release the eleveated local blood pressure resulting from failure to relieve the engorgement of the genitals that is crucial to erection, i.e., a condition related to the "pain and tenderness" of priapism. (It may be informative to consult side-effects information of Viagra and its competitors, some of which are effective for 3 days and advise medical care for erections lasting over 4 hours.) --Jerzy(t) 21:28, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC)

Further, the term ejaculate, like the earlier "release semen" (that a well-intentioned editor used to replace simply "release"), misleadingly suggests that fluid pressure of seminal fluid is at issue; i think research will show that there is no significant seminal pressure except that imposed in pulses by the prostate during ejaculation. The real issue is indeed plain "release", or rather release of either sympathetic or parasympathetic (never could remember which is which) nervous-system excitation, which in turn entails destimulation of sphincter-like structures that sustain the engorgement (and that ED-medications work by affecting). --Jerzy(t) 21:28, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC)

OK, i scanned the article; probably all i need to have said is "the dab should be brought in line with the article". --Jerzy(t) 21:33, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC)

Medical term
Something I've long wondered: is there a more technical, medical name that answers to the colloquial and maybe even vulgar "blue balls"? Judging by the external links, it doesn't seem that there is. --Iustinus 21:25, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * someone has suggested moving the page to prostatic congestion. You can discuss the move on requested moves.  delldot | talk 05:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Moved. &mdash; Nightstallion (?) 11:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

But women don't have a prostate. What is the equivalent term for us?--Sonjaaa 05:18, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I moved it back. Prostatic congestion (Prostatosis) is not the same as this condition, it is just one symptom of blue balls. Case in point: There are other causes for prostatic congestion, such as cancer, Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia, birth defects, smoking, sitting for extended periods, prostatitis, cysts, and age-realted enlargement of the prostate. [. Davodd 08:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The most general term I've seen, which applies to either gender, is pelvic congestion, so I added a sentence about it and created a redirect page from that term. We could also work it the other way around by making the article more general, renaming it "pelvic congestion," and making "blue balls" redirect to it. I have no strong feelings about either option--Officiallyover 10:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I like "pelvic congestion" more as the actual article name with "blue balls" going here as it covers both genders better. That would require some article work than a simple name change though to generalize it a bit more. I think it would come across as more professional though compared to documenting a slang term, albeit widely used. -- Northgrove 12:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Factual edits I just made
I changed the word "disrupted" because it sounded like it meant something abnormal was happening. I changed the language about lymphatic fluid because I can't regard lymph as flowing to the end tissues. There could be increased production or pooling of lymph at the tissues due to a greater perfusion pressure, so that's what I described. Finally, cold water does not stimulate blood flow "throughout the body," and it does not sound like it would stimulate blood flow to the scrotum. Cold generally decreases blood flow to the skin, hence your skin turns paler in the cold and you lose less heat through it. Experiments have shown this decreased blood flow directly. If it worked the other way around, your skin would radiate heat even faster as it got colder. Penis_size says that "one general physiological response to cold is decreased circulation of blood to the appendages. As the size of the penis very much relies on blood supply, this results in a decreased flaccid size." Finally, pseudoephedrine causes constriction of peripheral arterioles too, so if it does treat blue balls, this fits with the idea that cold causes the same constriction. I kept both possible mechanisms of action of the cold shower for now, however, and I wrote this long-winded justification because if I had changed the explanation to merely "decreased blood flow" then one of our references&mdash;which looks otherwise very well written&mdash;would contradict our article. --Officiallyover 11:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

This is not a medical term!
The medical tone of this article is preposterous. "Blue balls" is of course a slang term, but there is no corresponding legitimate medical equivalent term because there is no such medical condition. It's just a slang way to say you haven't come in a while. I would delete the bulk of this article but I know someone will just revert it.
 * Did you even read the fucking article? It clearly defines the medical causes of this condition.
 * PS: "pelvic congestion" (Unsigned)
 * I agree that Blue Balls isn't a medical condition, and that it's not equivalent to prostratic, pelvic or vasocongestion. Like the OP said, it's simply the state of straining for relief if you haven't come in a while.  Let's not make a disease out of everything, people.  Maikel 09:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Blue Balls Excuse
Two things I don't like about the "blue balls excuse" part:

1.) Telling the person who's turning you on that you have blueballs doesn't necessarily mean you are pressuring them to have sex or get you off (though I'm sure that does happen sometimes, unfortunately). Often, it's merely to explain why you are groaning and limping after an intense make-out session.  there's nothing shameful about being honest with your partner.  2.) Who says blueballs can only be used to pressure WOMEN into having sex? I'm sure gay men might use blueballs as an excuse to pressure their partners into having sex, especially if their partners can sympathize with the condition. that doesn't make coersion right, but I'm sure it's not limited to just guys tricking girls
 * AFAIK, one of the issues is historically at least it wasn't something that women (or girls more likely) knew much about or could find out much about. There is this perception at least that girls/women were led to believe that blue balls was something that could only be 'cured' by sex when in fact it will go away by itself and masturbation would work just as well. On the other hand, we can expect most gay guys would be less likely to be taken in by these claims. And as I've stated, the perception is this is primarily an excused used by teens, not e.g. by 30 year olds. And even today (and especially in the yesteryears) it's probably fair to say that many gay teens are still struggling with their sexuality and so are less likely to be having sex with guys or at least less likely to be dating guys. Of course, I'm sure blue balls can and has been attempted on men as well I'm just pointing out the fact the current gay population is only by most estimates 20% at most and the fact that it seems most likely to be a less useful excuse on other gays and the fact as I've said it's more likely to be something used by younger people all adds up to mean it probably was and is significantly less commonly used by gay men/boys. Of course, we should still be neutral and talk about partners rather then women. P.S. I am a guy. And also quite tired so forgive me for rambling. P.P.S. I forgot to mention that gay men tend to be more promiscious or less restrictive with sex also means there is probably less need for the excuse Nil Einne 23:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

no move. --  tariq abjotu  14:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Blue balls → Vasocongestion — Simply because Vasocongestion is a more...medical term Deenoe 02:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

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 * Support per nom. --Deenoe 02:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Support, though I'd prefer separating the articles, as I think "blue balls" is used more informally. I doubt that even 50% of the time that "blue balls" is used, there's actually vascocongestion. Croctotheface 03:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC) Changing my vote to oppose the move and instead have the vasocongestion article focus on the medical aspects and leaving the blue balls article to concentrate on the popular usage.  The current version of the article suggests that blue balls and vasocongestion are the same, which does not seem to be accurate. Croctotheface 08:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose, the logic behind this move is flawed. Vasocongestion includes such things as red eyes from hay fever. It makes no sense, especially since "blue balls" is the more common and accurate term. It seems the most likely reason for the move is that some poeple are uncomfortable or offended by the article's name. Wikipedia is not censored WP:NOT. - Davodd 06:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Opppose - use common names. I don't know whether "Vasocongestion" is more broad than "blue balls", but if it is it shouldn't simply be a redirect here. Thryduulf 07:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose. As has already been pointed out, vascocongestation is not blue balls. Accusation of censorship is however ridiculous. Loom91 07:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose Even if a proper medical term is proposed I still support Blue balls because it is vastly more common than whatever the medical term is. Vicarious 07:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose. --Serge 00:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose I know what blue balls is, I don't know what vasocongestation is. Furthermore, far more people are going to look for 'blue balls' than vasocongestation. ManicParroT 20:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Such a move would be less medically accurate. Vasocongestion deserves to be is own article. It includes such topics as blushing, erections and Dyspareunia, menstruation and sex flush - as well as blue balls. - Davodd 07:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, okay then, why not use Pelvic Congestion, which is (now I found) the clinically accurate word. As of yesterday, Vasocongestion was redirecting here, which was not right. But I strongly believe we should use Pelvic congestion, not Blue Balls. --Deenoe 10:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And by the way, I'm not trying to censor. But Blue balls isnt a medical term. --Deenoe 20:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * We are a general-purpose encyclopaedia, not a medical encyclopaedia. Per Naming conventions (common names), articles should be at the most common unambiguous name. There are execptions to this, but none apply to this case as there are no specific guidelines for medicine-related articles and there are no issues with any of national varieties of english, abbreviations, diacritics or technical limitations. Thryduulf 22:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The words "cunt" and "fuck" aren't medical terms (i.e. vagina and sexual intercourse), either - but both slang words words are common, storied, and distinct enough to warrant encyclopedic articles. - Davodd 00:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

this page has a problem, i can`t edit all of it
there are some informations noone wants to know, fix it if you can, now (5) minutes later they just disappeared, i`m fearful of a new sort of wiki vandalism, better check that, sometimes the site has some info on someones penis on it, and no, i´m not on drugs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.47.191.232 (talk • contribs)
 * The history shows that this page has been vandalised a few times today, all of which was reverted very quickly
 * vandalised 01:32 reverted 01:33
 * vandalised 06:30 reverted 06:31
 * vandalised 18:04-18:12
 * vandalised 18:25-18:26 both vandals reverted 18:26
 * However, there were no edits to the article at all around the time you posted here (21:08 and 21:12). The most probable cause is that you saw a cached version of the page that contained vandalism, and after you clicked back from thsi talk page to the article your cache updated to the version where the vandalism had already been removed. Thryduulf 22:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

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I just wanted to say that this is a terrible page and there should be serious consideration for its removal. The "source" from an MD that was sites is a TERRIBLE study. This is an isolated case with large study conducted. It is speculation of one person based on no facts and should NOT be considered a credible source.'''

Never Had Blue Balls
I have never had anything close to this condition, sounds like poor circulation. What percentage of the male population gets this condition? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.110.221.182 (talk) 07:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC).


 * At the risk of venturing into original research, have you been in the situation that would produce this condition? My experience is that it takes most of 24 hours of fairly constant stimulation to produce it in me, which hasn't happened all that often (thankfully). I'm sure it varies from man to man, so maybe you just take longer than most. In this liberated age, I'd guess it would be rare (but obviously not unknown) for men to be in a situation where they developed this condition... hence comments such as yours and others who don't believe it exists. My suspicion is that most men could suffer from it given the right circumstances.


 * But there's little information I've seen about it, and a lot of misinformation. See http://alderspace.pbwiki.com/blue%20balls for one (other) attempt at providing some accurate info. Andrewa 08:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Most definitely happens, take an uninterested anonymous user's word for it. Most definitely sucks too.

More Medical Jargon
I check the citation from Pediatrics. There was a follow up letter to the editor where two other names were provided. Here's the relevant sentence:

'The condition described, what the urologists often term "epididymal hypertension," and some have labeled "deadly sperm buildup" or "DSB," has many other manifestations of which physicians and their caretakers ought to be aware.' (PEDIATRICS Vol. 108 No. 5 November 2001, pp. 1233-1234)

If letters to the editor are permissible sources for Wikipedia, then both terms should be added to the article. Incidentally, the response from Weinzimer and Thornton is worth reading :)

New requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

Blue balls → Pelvic congestion — Unlike the last move request, the primary justification for this one is not that pelvic congestion is a "more medical term". Wikipedia has articles for plenty of colloquialisms&mdash;though it's true that when dealing with medical issues, the terminology used by health professionals is generally preferable to slang. Indeed, slang is strongly discouraged on Manual_of_Style_%28medicine-related_articles%29:


 * "The article title should be the scientific or recognised medical name rather than the lay term or a historical eponym that has been superseded. These alternative names may be specified in the lead. Create redirects to your article to help those searching with alternative names. For example, heart attack redirects to myocardial infarction."

Since there does seem to be strong precedent for using the less-common medical term instead of the more-common slang one (hell, "heart attack" is much less slangy than "blue balls", yet it's redirected to Myocardial infarction!), that is the secondary justification for this move.

However, the primary justification is simply this: the article discusses both male and female congestion, but obviously females cannot have "blue balls". Having a section called "Blue balls" is both misleading and inaccurate&mdash;plus it just sounds ridiculous. Yet the article isn't long enough to merit a split into separate pages for male and female congestion (and having another article called "pink ovaries" or something obviously wouldn't help with the secondary problem!), so the only really neutral and accurate way of presenting this information would seem to be replacing the male-specific term with a gender-neutral one. That, plus the strong precedent for cases like heart attack (redirected to myocardial infarction) and runny nose (redirected to rhinorrhea), seems sufficient to me to justify a page-move, despite how common the phrase "blue balls" is (in the United States, at least).

By the way, it should be noted that the main reason past move requests have been rejected has simply been because they were inaccurate: blue balls is not vasocongestion, nor is it prostatic congestion. Also note that this article move is not being proposed because "blue balls" is synonymous with "pelvic congestion": a medical synonym for blue balls would probably look more like "acute testicular congestion" or "male pelvic congestion". Rather, the move is being proposed because "pelvic congestion" more accurately describes the article's contents, which deal with both male and female congestion. -Silence 21:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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 * Support per nom. The article discusses both male and female congestion, so "blue balls" is an (amusing) misnomer. Moreover, Manual of Style (medicine-related articles) is quite clear in favoring medical terminology over colloquialisms, even when the colloquialism is more common (e.g., heart attack ). -Silence 21:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support as the title is misrepresentative of the article's scope, although the section on women is rather small. Someone may be able to write an article exclusively on the usage of the term "blue balls", but that is not the case yet. Pelvic congestion seems to be used more often for women, with the pelvic congestion syndrome, but the term itself is gender neutral enough. –Pomte 03:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 21:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The move is unneeded and inaccurate. It is trying to solve a problem that does not exist by moving a generally known term to an obscure and inaccurate word. See: Wikipedia is not censored. This is an article about a slang term - like the slang word fuck, which is not merged with sexual intercourse or the slang word "cunt", which is not merged into either of the words vagina or vulva. - Davodd 21:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Somebody appears to have added a 6-word piece of vandalism to the first para of the article "Cause" ("...or a date with Ellen Truxaw"). While it's quite amusing, it's not in the Wiki spirit... As a rank newbie, I haven't done any editing, but have left that to my more experienced colleagues. I would be interested to learn how to draw attention to any apparent vandalism one spots while browsing. For example, will this contribution automatically be brought to the attention of anybody, or is there another mechanism I should use to ensure it doesn't lay dormant until somebody stumbles across it?

BTW, as a Brit I would remark that the expression "blue balls" is not particularly common in the UK, and in my experience is used more by Americans. But I'm unable to suggest a UK-English equivalent.

Geoffreywatson 07:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Extremes
I am not qualified to edit this article, however I think more note should be made of extreme conditions. Vasocongestion can, in extreme cases, lead to extended periods of unbearable pain (to the point of loosing the ability to walk, speak coherently, or use the washroom, and almost to the point of loosing consciousness). This is not necessarily related to either priapism or orchalgia, and can occur to a person who suffers from neither.

Shadowlance 20:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge with Pelvic congestion
I think this article must be merged with Pelvic congestion, because is the same term. Applied to both genres. --andres.- --201.244.129.63 01:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No it is not. This is a sizable article about a common slang term, its meaning, and its uses in society. It should not be merged any more than fuck should be merged into sexual intercourse, cunt into vagina, asshole into anus, or shit into feces. - Davodd 21:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a valid argument, and I vote that blue balls should remain a separate article from both Vasocongestion and pelvic congestion. However, those two articles seem less distinct and may need merging.Dukeofwulf (talk) 17:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I strongly feel that this article remains separate to allow for easy discoverability from web searches. The "blue balls" topic would get lost under "pelvic congestion." StarchMD (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)StarchMD

Treatment
Treatment Citation? No citation appears on the treatment. I can personally testify that it doesn't work :-S —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.6.205 (talk) 21:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I will not edit the treatment section, but it needs clarification. I am interpeting the last sentence to mean that analgesics do not affect prostaglandins. This is 100% false. If that is not how it was intended to be interpeted it has to be rewritten so that it says something to the effect of "vasocongestion is not caused by the prostaglandin system". Brantunger (talk) 23:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Just... elevate your legs above the level of your heart for five minutes. Apart from being effective, you can safely do this in the company of others ;) Hakluyt bean (talk) 01:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Title
Shouldn't the technical/medical name of this condition be used for the title, as well as when refering to it in the article, as opposed to using the slang term "blue balls" repeatedly? Sahuagin (talk) 18:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Not necessarily. Wikipedia naming conventions give preference to the most common term. See WP:NAME. __meco (talk) 18:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Other side effects
Pretty sure that finding blood in your semen is a problem:. In fact, visible amounts of blood passed through the urethra should always be checked with a qualified professional (just one example: ).

I would suggest deleting this section if citations are not provided soon. 213.143.18.23 (talk) 13:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only person that suffers diarrhea as a side effect of blue balls?--Fatbrett2 (talk) 15:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Reddit thread
Interesting comments (with references to Wikipedia) here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/a9zc7/men_of_reddit_have_you_ever_experienced_blue/

75.84.238.18 (talk) 08:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

fluid?
so is the fluid sperm? or what fluid is the article informing us about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.164.201.38 (talk) 23:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Uncited(able)/Unverified(able) text moved here from article page.
I've spent a few hours copyediting this article to bring it up to Wikipedia standards. The following text is moved here from the article page under the Every Thing Must Be Verifiable and No Original Research mandates as I cannot find any information from reliable sources (or any sources) to back up these claims: Other side effects Some men may also experience other side effects. These can vary from a minor headache that generally wears off after a couple of minutes or muscle cramps or grumpiness. (Grumpiness more likely due to the lack of orgasm rather than the physical effects). In other more severe cases it has been known for men to suffer from stomach pains, and upset or a loose stomach combined with intense stomach cramps. The prostatic congestion and pain/tenderness or edema of the testes, and is misconceptionally believed to have the symptom of a blue tinged scrotum (from the notion that blue equals pain, as in a bruise or black eye, which can also appear blue). Sexually transmitted infection Some men who are infected with sexually transmitted lymphogranuloma venereum may experience enlarged lymph nodes in the groin that become fluctuant and unable to flush lymphatic fluid correctly, resulting in edema (swelling) of the affected area and discoloration. Treatment The easiest way to relieve the symptoms of blue balls is ejaculating. The resultant ejaculation jump-starts the sympathetic nervous system, which increases blood flow through the penis area, dissipating the fluid buildup. Even without orgasm, the symptoms of blue balls usually subside within an hour of onset, but they can also last much longer, up to 24–48 hours or longer. Simply lying down can also sometimes help the pain associated with blue balls. A male suffering from 'Blue Ball' can also relieve pain by carefully lying on his left hand side and gently raising his right knee to his stomach. By doing this, it will relieve the subject of any accumulated gas that may have compiled over the space of time the male is aroused. One folk remedy for blue balls is the cold shower. Putting cold substances on the crotch supposedly helps stimulate the muscles that control blood flow. Wearing a jockstrap (or other form of support) can alleviate some of the discomfort caused by the condition. Please feel free to re-add any of the above information if reliable sources are found to back up these claims. - Davodd (talk) 08:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I moved the treatment section back at its place. Much better to apply "says who" and other tags that question the treatment options. H15 H16N355 &#124; K1N6 M3 (T47K)  20:14, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I disagree; Wikipedia does not exist to be useful per se and shouldn't be giving medical advice anyways (especially without citations.) OSborn arfcontribs. 20:32, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * And I disagree with your disagreeing. I'm sure you know about the "Citation needed" and "fact" tags which should always be used where citations are missing instead of deleting useful information. For what you said, seems you don't much care about the usefulness of the knowledge. What do you believe information is for? Besides, it has been proven that informed patients have better chances of positive outcomes and it is widely accepted that dispensing knowledge to patients is much needed and appreciated (Woolf, Steven H., MD, MPH et al., "Promoting Informed Choice: Transforming Health Care To Dispense Knowledge for Decision Making", Anals of Internal Medicine - http://www.annals.org/content/143/4/293.short). Enrich a public source of information like Wikipedia and help people get more informed instead of trying to hamper people's rightful actions to spread useful knowledge. Spreading information is *not* giving medical advice and never will be. H15 H16N355 &#124;  K1N6 M3 (T47K)  01:28, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Reliable sources were found to back up the some key claims made, therefore, the "treatment" section has been put back at its place. Anyone can feel free to find more reliable sources and add them to the article or remove any unsourced claims within the section. H15 H16N355 &#124;  K1N6 M3 (T47K)  02:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I still do not feel that this article meets wikipedia standards. There is no scientific evidence to show that this condition exists, only anecdotal evidence, as is made clear in the only medical journal referenced on this page (Pediatrics [2000]). At the very least, this means that all causal claims need to be removed.99.255.64.245 (talk) 18:20, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Blue balls is a LIE. There. I said it.
Blue balls is a lie started by guys who want their partner to finish them. I will be the first person to come out and say it to the world, if need be. There are no side-effects of not finishing. No stomach ache, no head ache, no cramped muscles, no pain, no nothing. It is dishonest trickery, and I'm defying my oath to the male species and telling it aloud for every girl to hear. The is no such thing as blue balls. This trickery has gone on long enough, it was funny for decades, but now people are trying to do scientific studies and research on it, and it's time that we (males) come up with something new. Skiendog (talk) 23:09, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Seems to be a lot of lies in the sexual realm - there's the whole "female ejaculation" thing too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.208.77 (talk) 06:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, correct. It's peeing, that's all.  Skiendog (talk) 15:49, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Someone needs to be castrated!!! Blue balls is a lie- I thought u were a woman for a minute there...Stop tucking!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.11.4 (talk) 03:35, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not a lie--just a very convenient truth, heh. As the article mentions it's not universally experienced, and when it is the remedy is never more than an arm's length away. The lie is that it's anything more a trivial discomfort... and we all use it, so shhh. 109.123.89.16 (talk) 03:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * "Trivial discomfort" ...I'll agree with that. But definitely no pain. Skiendog (talk) 15:42, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Just because something has never been experienced by someone does not mean it is not real, some woman have never experienced an orgasm, and obviously they are real. All I can say is a male is lucky if never gets to experience Blue Balls, as a mild case it is an ache, a bad case is painful, and a very bad case can result in stomach cramps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyonesse74 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * If it's only a lie used by guys to take advantage of their partners, how do you explain the fact that I get get pain and nausea but I have never told a partner about it? I just suffer through the pain or deal with it discreetly on my own. Why would I trick myself into feeling pain? Just because some assholes lie about it doesn't mean that it's fake.


 * I feel like using skiendog's balls as my Muay Thai training bags and then politely letting him know that he should only talk about things that he is not ignorant about. Just because one has not experienced a condition does not, I repeat, DOES NOT mean it doen't exist. I'm appalled by the idea of using excuses to force a girl to do ANYTHING with me which she doesn't REALLY feel A LOT like doing. I'm too proud for that. Still, I have experienced, just yesterday, a very painful case of epididymal hypertension (aka, blueballs). Felt like I got kicked in my groins (is that only a "trivial discomfort"? Hell no.) I know for a fact that if I stay provoking and turning a girl somewhere we can't do it for too long and she does the same to me, I'll get it. So don't talk about what you know nothing about. H15 H16N355 &#124; K1N6 M3 (T47K)  20:46, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * EDIT: Oh. First the husky guy says it's a "LIE", then he accepts that it exists, "[B]ut definitely no pain." WTF? Get a grip.

H15 H16N355 &#124; K1N6 M3 (T47K)  20:34, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Edit2: Just cause some people probably only saw female squirting orgasms (female ejaculation) on porn movies, where they obviously use the ignorance of people to deceive them, DOES NOT mean it doesn't exist. There's a whole bunch of things that people don't know about the human body. H15 H16N355 &#124; K1N6 M3 (T47K)  20:46, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Having just experienced the first major episode of blue balls ever, I can only agree that the only liar here is Skiendog. There was on pressure on my partner, quite the contrary, I called the stops. I screwed up with the last condom and she was willing to proceed with potentially compromised protection, but I wasn't. Too ashamed about having ruined it to even tell her I was in pain, even though she probably would've tried to alleviate it with her mouth or hands had I done so. Kick in the groin (the afterache, not the initial crippling pain) is a very apt comparison indeed. Not debilitating, but certainly not trivial either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.77.133.227 (talk) 12:21, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll have you know that after numerous times edge masturbating yesterday, I felt an excruciating pain. I wanted to just go to bed, so I could do it again tomorrow, but my body literally forced me to finish. Only then did the pain subside. This phenomenon has nothing to do with lying to get into a female's pants. Please refrain from sharing such uneducated conclusions in the future. --68.51.138.119 (talk) 19:58, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I have blue balls right now. It's not a lie. Even though they're not really blue. Yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.97.167.70 (talk) 21:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Die in a fire Skiendog. I had to hobble half a mile back to my car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.228.195.92 (talk) 00:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Blue balls is not a lie
While I can understand your perspective of thinking Blue balls condition is a hoax to get girls to put out, that is not the reality. I suffer from Blue Balls when I start masturbating (no ejaculation) then stop for 20-40 minuets but still stay in an excited state (not erection necessarily) but still mentally and physically stimulated. After this time I get a very painful dull ache in both my testicles. If I ejaculate it does not easy the pain at all. The pain lasts for 40 - 60 minuets. I assume the post below about this real condition is trolling or an immature individual.

Also I have Varicocele condition on one of my testes. I think this intensifies the pain due to poor blood circulation but that is just a hypothesis. 24.239.116.215 (talk) 02:29, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

"Treatment"
Although you'd think the treatment is obvious, the article should perhaps indicate this. Plus one of the people who commented above mentions a possible medical condition that might be related to symptoms. Perhaps this article should be expanded a little beyond the sexual slang aspect? 70.72.221.229 (talk) 18:50, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Blue Ball
বাংলায় এটা নিয়ে আর্টিকেল তৈরী করা উচিৎ Ashfaqur Rahman AAkash (talk) 04:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Treatments
As far as I know, there are no scientifically-proven treatments for "blue balls". There are only home remedies.

I found a lay article by a San Francisco paramedic, which was medically reviewed by a retired cardiologist. It cites two sources, both from the journal Pediatrics:


 * "&thinsp;'Blue balls': A diagnostic consideration in testiculoscrotal pain in young adults: A case report and discussion."
 * "Blue balls." (Letter.)

The lay article suggests three suggested treatments for "blue balls".

These are:


 * Exercise: especially strength training.
 * Vagal stimulation: e.g. by bearing down, as if you're straining to help push a bowel movement out.
 * Cold showers.

The article explains why each of the three treatments is suggested.

The article concludes with an explanation of why there isn't, and will likely never be, much money to fund research into the condition.

WP:MEDRS asks us to cite clinical practice guidelines, meta-analyses, and/or literature reviews. But WP:IAR seems to imply that, because these don't exist here, we should cite lesser (but still reliable) sources instead. (Perhaps while warning readers that we're citing lesser sources.)

Since there are no scientifically-proven treatments, I think we should mention the suggested (but not proven) treatments in our article. Where I live, two of the three treatments are free, and the third is very inexpensive. We can mention that they're not proven.

Thoughts?

Kind regards,

&mdash;TealHill (talk) 12:26, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * In addition to the points I mentioned above, let me add a few more points:
 * WP:MEDRS admits that "a lightweight source may sometimes be acceptable for a lightweight claim".
 * User:WhatamIdoing wrote elsewhere: "Primary sources are sometimes the best possible sources for standard information about rare diseases. Secondary is not the definition of a good source. It's important to balance multiple considerations around the reliability of sources. A recent primary source from an expert in a respected journal in a relevant area is often better than a review article written by a grad student in a third-tier journal. When we're writing about a common or well-researched condition, we can pick the best of the best of the best (and that's what we wrote MEDRS around), but when we're working on articles about rare diseases, we need to think about sources holistically, and not just through a simplistic primary-bad/secondary-good lens." Although I admit that "blue balls" is not a rare disease, I insist that it is a condition which has been mostly ignored by the peer-reviewed medical literature.
 * Kind regards, --TealHill (talk) 06:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * TealHill, Doc James reverted you on that piece before. I see that you have added it back. Even when something is a rare medical matter, one can still often find decent sources on it on Google Books. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:05, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I have trimmed verwell health. If there are no sources that are any good often it is best to simple say less. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 02:33, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Painkillers
Do painkiller gels (e.g. Voltaren / diclofenac gel) or painkiller pills (e.g. Tylenol / acetaminophen / Advil / ibuprofen) successfully treat "blue balls"? TealHill (talk) 06:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Blue walls listed at Redirects for discussion
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