Talk:Epigonation

I have made some corrections to the most recent edit. I have never heard the epigonation was called a "gonker" by anyone. I can find no confirmation in any source available to me that this vestment is used by Armenians whether in communion with Rome or not. (Armenian priests do carry a small towel tucked into their zone or kodee, but it's not the same thing. See for pictures of a full Armenian priestly vestment set.) There is no difference in how it's used between Byzantine-rite Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, so there's no reason for separate sections. It's sometimes worn below the knee, but other times not -- Russian priests in particular like it at thigh-height. That it's reinforced with cardboard is a tailoring practice, not a definitive rubric; other materials are and have been used. TCC (talk) (contribs) 08:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I note that the CE article on maniple claims the epigonation is only for bishops. This is demonstrably wrong even for Byzantine Catholic churches. The illustrations in the standard English-language prayerbook "Byzantine Daily Worship" clearly show the priest wearing it. TCC (talk) (contribs) 21:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Here is a page on the Armenian liturgy with a detailed account of the vesting of the priest. The cuffs are called "maniples" here which is a mistaken correspondence since they are intended to ornament and gather the sleeves of the alb/sticharion/shabeeg and were never handkerchiefs. The handkerchief that is used is called a tashgeenag and may not correspond to the maniple either since it has a practical use and is not worn on the arm in any event. No sign of an epigonation. I can't find any description of Armenian episcopal vestments, except a statement that they are "almost identical" to those of the West -- which would also seem to exclude an epigonation. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)