Talk:Episode 2 (Ashes to Ashes)

Music
The Omd song was not Maid of Orleans, it was Souvenir. I changed it.71.202.123.32 (talk) 20:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Cultural References
Shall we add this... In the scene where Alex is having an intimate drink with her mother, they fall out after Alex refuses to pass her mother information from inside the police force. The mother makes a commentary that she finds it annoying that women, having fought to get the keys to the kingdom then behave like men. This has been said of Margaret Thatcher, a woman who had the keys to the kingdom as UK Prime Minister from 1979-1990. (ref Williams, Zoe: Accidental Feminist", The Guardian online. 2004-10-21) (ref Redfern, Catherine:Thatcher - was she good for feminism", The F Word online. 2001-08-16) (ref Faludi, Susan: "Backlash". 1991)

The 3rd reference is a cross reference from ref 2, so I don't have the page numbers and ISBN to match. Susan Faludi is a reputable American sociologist, Kluivert08 (talk) 05:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've adjusted your references because I think using mediawiki-style inline references on discussion pages is very bad for the discussion. I don't think you should add the above because (1) it's blazingly obvious and (2) it sounds a bit polemical to introduce the ghost of handbag into an article about a piece of fantasy fiction.


 * Yes, Thatcher has been accused of kicking the ladder away. But the comment itself, and its context, are susceptible to much more nuanced interpretations than the straightforward reading you suggest here.  For instance, what Alex remembers of her mother, and what she admires her for, is her crusading for social justice, and what she actually sees is someone prepared to use deceitful methods in the name of sisterhood.  The principles she has learned at her mother's knee enable her to resist her mother's manipulations.  So there is an irony here that a straightforward "it's about Thatcher" reading overlooks. We're better off without adding interpretations. --Tony 07:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)