Talk:Equalism/Archive 1

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Equalism involves more than just gender issues. ie racial equalist movements/people are generally much more hesitant about and opposed to affirmative action. so, no. --141.140.127.188 05:01, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

"Alleged"
I changed the following quote from the article
 * Equalists often differ with mainstream leftists in condemning alleged discriminatory elements of affirmative action (or positive discrimination) as well as elements of substantial equality aiming at equality of outcome.

by removing the word "alleged". Affirmative action is, by definition, discrimination. Also, this use of "alleged" may fall afoul of WP:WEASEL. CRGreathouse (t | c) 04:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

God damn it...
I invented the term equalism to refer to religious, sexual, gender, and racial equality about two years ago and here I see it without myself being mentioned. I'm going to sue wikipedia for plagarism until your group stops acting like a bunch of sophist despots, people believing they can do whatever they want regardless of the consequences or believing there are consequences.

It is a damn shame too... because I invented that term two years ago as explicitely defined as genderal equalism to replace feminism and masculinism as the "defined" campaigns of true gender equality between pro-women and pro-men groups, when the terms specifically refers to just pro-men or pro-women.

Equalism in its own nature is true or near absolute equality between any particular group of people of difference. That is the Definition that I made for that word and I'm still working on the book. So thanks for ruining my career, plagarists.

And you know what, I'm not going to even seek to change what is written down, because I know you sophists will just change it back and then suspend my account indefinitely. That is the unjust that comes from this fake-encyclopedia. What gives the moderators the credibility or the right to do what they do on something that is suppose to be completely factual? How can you have facts when it is people with the guns that dictate the facts?

There are two manners involved that could alter my view on this intellectual blunder; you either change the word Equalism to Equality on what you are refering to Equalism by or you mention my name, with my upcoming book, and my definition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antenode2 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * How exactly do we do that when we don't know who the hell you are? 143.53.155.192 (talk) 14:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

"Equalism" and egalitarianism
I propose the contents of this article be merged with egalitarianism, desegregation, social equality, and gender egalitarianism (a former redirect to zygarchy which I reverted back to the article version). There are no references for the use of this term as an umbrella term for gender, social, or racial equality, and it just sounds like a synonym for egalitarianism. That's the only way I interpret the term, and if this is not that, please provide references. Comments or thoughts? --User:Iambus (speak | proposal) 05:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong recommend to redirect to Egalitarianism


 * Zygarchy is now under Afd. Gender equality is by far the most notable use of this subject; all redirects for gender equality have been repointed there.


 * Google hits: "Equality" =37,600,000; "egalitarian"=2,500,000 "egalitarianism"=582,000


 * equalism = 20,700, mostly blogs, no clear agreement on the term. WP:NPOV WP:OR


 * Google books has a range of meanings, mostly POV or OR depending on author, few clearly agree:


 * http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&q=equalism&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wp


 * No references since August 2007. Redirect should happen within the week. -Yamara ✉  07:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Found a single narrow reference which makes "equalist" a subset of "feminist" - But other sources in Google Books wildly disagree with each other. WP:OR stands. -Yamara ✉  08:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just spent all night hunting down all the articles where "Equalism" piped traffic from "Gender equality" wikilinks. Also directed wikilinks to Equality where appropriate. After paring down non-notable and repetitive drek, there's not much "there" there to this article. --Yamara ✉  10:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ...And I have been talking to a dead sockpuppet here. redirecting on my own recognizance. --Yamara ✉  10:51, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Reversion
The following is being reverted out. It mentions a reference in the text, but it seems to be a letter to the editor and therefore not notable in its own right:

"The terms 'equalism' and 'equalist' were suggested and first published in the London Times of August 27th 1984 by Edward de Chazal. In his letter, a response to a then on-going discussion of the term 'feminism', he wrote: 'As an alternative to the 'hard-edged and sinister' term 'feminism', may I suggest the new concept of 'equalism'. Any word directly replacing the former would before long become similarly loaded, for the usual stereotyped feminist figure would arise. An 'equalist', however, need not be a woman. Perhaps, after all, equality is the only state which feminists are striving for.'"

"Equalism" was also used as a term to describe communism in the 1950s, and likely other ephemeral uses. None of these has had notable traction. Restoring redirect to Egalitarianism. --Yamara ✉  16:11, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge
I don't see any consensus to merge this page with egalitarianism on this talk page. Yet it has been redirected. The term 'equalism' is not even used on the article about egalitarianism. Due to this, I am going to restore this page. Let's discuss the merits of what equalism is and not assume that these are used the same ways in all cases. Ranze (talk) 09:26, 9 December 2012 (UTC)