Talk:Equestrian & Tent Pegging Federation of Pakistan

i have started a page about the newly formed Equestrian & Tent Pegging Federation of Pakistan. As soon as they establish a website I will upload more information and reference as well. Just now they have made a facebook page which is runned by ETFP secretary. So i have put two references from Malik Ata's page and ETFP's page.regards--Malik Amin (talk) 11:38, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, I have today removed an extraneous section about the so-called 'Executive Board' of this pakistani organisation. The fact is, this board is not a permanent fixture, it is a changable one, hence there's no real point in mentioning it; it seems that the above user Malik Amin, is the creator of another article about Malik Ata Muhammad Khan and this chap is the president or some such thing of this board/federation; so basically, user Amin wants to use this page/article to promote this other person. I think that is not only wrong, ethically, it also constitutes a violation of several Wikipedia regulations. I hope some senior and objective editor s will please check this, thanks. 39.54.83.74 (talk) 14:24, 23 October 2014 (UTC)Prof (retd) Hilda Khan, Pakistan

Well Hilda Khan if you dont mind you violate the wikipedia regulations and ethics not me. Why dont you log in before editing here. It is against ethics and wiki regulations. And about this topic, i have no need to clarify myself before you but for the senior editors i must tell that all the information was provided to me by the secretary of ETFP. He shared the link to me and requested to create an article as he have no idea how to create a new article here, as all the sport governing bodies have good articles here on wikipedia. I then told him and he made some changes specially in executive board. They are working on ETFP website when it is completed i will add that for reference. And i have no need to promote Malik Ata here on this page as well except necessary edits about him e.g his name as president etc. Allah has bestowed him and other tent peggers great respect and fame. I just want to promote my country's name and its contribution with valid information. I am well informed that executive boards are changeable but this organisation is a new one with its first EC thats why i and the secretry have added full EC list for the writers. They will elect new EC and president after its tenure is over and i will definitely add that.....--Malik Amin (talk) 13:33, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Malik Amin, editing Wikipedia as a non-registered editor is allowed please, it is NOT against any rules and/or regulations here. I dont have any personal grudges against you and all my edits are in good faith. I must explain, once again please, that you must kindly keep a strict control over yourself when addressing other editors/users here and not go overboard and all emotional and wild, thanks. There is no excuse for rudeness and overbearing behaviour and its best toi carry on work here soberly and rationally. Im very glad you are not promoting Malik Ata, as you say; but frankly, in my opinion, there is no logic or justification for adding any names of governing body of this organisation here-how is that likely to help or promote Pakistan please? I think that as you say, this information should be just left on the ETFP website, which according to you, is in the making right? So, if anyone any reader/s from any part of the world sees this note/article on Wikipedia, they can then log into the ETFP website via a Link that you will provide and should provide, NOT a reference. Via that link, by logging into the ETFP site, they can they get further details of who is doing what and playing what role within this organisation. I hope that is clear please? I think that this organisational article is better off without such extraneous and secondary information. What you should basically provide here is (a) a brief history of the equestrian sports and of tent pegging tradition in Pakistan, since 1947 (b) any further developments between 1947 and the present time, generally (C) a detailed note or section should be given explaining the role and function of the ETFP including any constitutional and regulatory functions etc (d) it should only mention that under the ETFP rules/regulations there is provision for various office bearers and a governing body details of which are available at [the link of the website here] and (e) an other relevant information regarding the performance of this organisation, at home and abroad. If you see there is an order and rational system at work in such a structured approach. Apart from the Malik Atra chap, none of the other people you mention here are at all notable by Wikipedia standards and thus, not of any known or verified renown, and not worth mentioning here please. I do hope you will try to understand and appreciate the logical and cool-minded approach I am suggesting/advising to you? If you are really keen on helping/promoting Pakistan and not in promoting any person or persons, then you should also please not try to add these and instead try to focus on building up a good and effective general note or article, about an institution/organisation of Pakistan. According to Max Weber it is a negative sign that some people try to promote individuals ('afrad'), instead of institutions ('idaray') ; this shows a leaning towards an unstable, negative and narrow mindset, whereas stable nations are keen on promoting/developing their institutions and organisations and are above and beyond these 'name dropping' activities. Pakistan has already suffered for so many years the consequences of 'afrad' based approach In principle, that, Im sure you will also agree with me. Since you have or will have an ETFP website, then let that serve its purpose too, dont try to make Wikipedia into an ETFP mouthpiece. Once again, with good wishes and hoping you will understand my points above, Sincerely, 39.54.254.79 (talk) 01:08, 26 October 2014 (UTC)Prof Hilda Khan, Pakistan

Further points to note please
User Amin and other editors, please kindly also note that references and citations should only be from RELIABLE and acceptable sources, not from Facebook etc, which is NOT an acceptable source on Wikipedia. In addition, since you have already mentioned the President and Chairman of the ETFP in the side infobox, you dont need to give further extraneous and repetitious information about these people in the article's main text. Instead, you should try to develop and expand practical and useful sections like 'Purpose' of this organisation etc, where you have only given one bare unreferenced line. Thanks 39.54.254.79 (talk) 01:17, 26 October 2014 (UTC) Prof (r) Hilda Khan, Pakistan

Malik Amin & Hilda Khan! In ref to points mentioned by you two here, i, being the Secretary General of the Equestrian & Tent Pegging Federation of Pakistan, would like to clarify a few things and put an end to this argument! ETFP also known as EFP is the official governing body responsible for development and promotion of equestrian disciplines in Pakistan. The management has now been transferred to Pakistan Rangers Punjab, previously, since 1947, it was under The President's Bodyguard. I personally think, that oth of you have a point here, Malik Amin, in good faith is always trying to update the status and update developments, however, in a way i also agree with Hilda Khan, that this is an ETFP wiki page, so it should have updates about the general developments, updates about ETFP and not any individual and a link for our FB page can be uploaded! I dont think any of you two are wrong, but like mentioned earlier, this page should have general updates etc, not with any names mentioned! So i would like to request both of you, to kindly put an end on this ongoing argument on this page! Thank you. Abid Salim Khan Tarin - Secretary General (ETFP) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.190.109.165 (talk) 00:37, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

thanks Abid Sir..i have seen so many articles here on wikipedia where users have added references from Facebook and Twitter but senior editors didnot delete them and they are still there. but here situation is strange.Without checking the links Hilda Khan who claims herself a professor remove them. --Malik Amin (talk) 14:55, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I have recently read this and I feel that there should be proper and objective reporting, if at all any updates are to be made. For example, even the process of selection of office bearers of this federation and similar Pakistani organizations-- how are the office bearers chosen and under what criteria? For example, from what I can see above, there is some chap called Abid Salim Khan Tarin who is claiming to be Secretary General; I dont think he is a recognised tent pegger or polo player or otherwise an equestrian? What are his special qualifications for this post ? It seems that this whole process is entirely ruled by sifarish and nepotism, and not any proper criteria. Sucking up to the Pakistan Army, Pakistan Rangers and other important people, seems to be the only criteria, whereas many famous and qualified equestrians are neglected. This article must reflect the truth. Regards Hamneto (talk) 04:20, 11 September 2015 (UTC)Hamneto (Rawalpindi, Pakistan)

Merger proposal
I think this should be merged into the earlier Equestrian Federation of Pakistan article please. 39.54.40.51 (talk) Col Mumtaz Khan, Pakistan —Preceding undated comment added 03:55, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Agreed . Hamneto (talk) 04:21, 11 September 2015 (UTC)Hamneto