Talk:Eragon/Archive 4

Archive 3 created
I noticed nobody's made an edit to this talk page for some time, so I decided to take initiative and archive the talk page. Now we have a nice, fresh, empty, clean talk page ripe for discussion. UnaLaguna 13:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Plot summary: spoiler?
I was thinking that perhaps the plot summary should be marked as potentially containing spoilers, as it does give away a good portion of the book. I wasn't sure if others would agree, so I didn't make the change myself. -66.216.232.76 01:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A plot summary is going to contain spoilers by definition. See WP:SPOILER. UnaLaguna 10:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * On top of that, anyone who's seen Star Wars will know all there is to know about the plot of the book about 20 pages in. Robrecht 06:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Uhm...
Did Paolini get an actual high school diploma like the article says, or did he just get his G.E.D?
 * It's "um" not "uhm." Use traditional spelling. In answer to your question, a home-schooled student receives a diploma just as a graduate of any other private or alternative school, which is to say, a diploma not so unlike that which is awarded by any public school. It's legal in almost every state, and it's distinct from a GED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.171.140 (talk) 19:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

links
this page should contain links to pages like saphiraforums and inheritence forums

Red Devil Captain 14:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Please see External Links. It clearly states  Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums or USENET. are to be avoided. Also I don't see how adding the links will help improve the article. AngelOfSadness  talk  14:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

If you link to pro-Eragon sites, in the interest of fairness, you would need to link to anti-Eragon sites (and there are a lot of them). It's probably a good idea to leave both Eragon fansites and Eragon hate sites out of Wikipedia, which is, after all, an encyclopedia.220.233.180.191 08:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC) �


 * No, it isn't. Neither the pro or anti fansites go through sufficient checks on the information they include for them to be considered reliable.  For that alone, we certainly can't include them on Wikipedia. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 08:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Major Cleanup
The Eragon series of articles needs to be the next victim of the mighty scissors. There are heaps of cruft. This list:

These characters need to have their entries fleshed out in Characters in the Inheritance Trilogy, and the actual article on them made into redirects
 * Saphira
 * Brom (Inheritance)
 * Arya Dröttningu
 * Murtagh
 * Galbatorix
 * Roran Garrowsson
 * Nasuada
 * Durza
 * Oromis
 * Varden
 * Du Vrangr Gata
 * Ra'zac
 * Urgal
 * Blagden (Inheritance)
 * Brendaen
 * Kull (Inheritance)
 * Elva (Inheritance)

'''Merge into a geography article, prefereably entitled Alagaësia. '''
 * Beor Mountains
 * Carvahall
 * Teirm
 * Gil'ead
 * Farthen Dûr
 * Du Weldenvarden
 * The Empire (Inheritance)
 * Utgard Mountain

Other
 * Battle under Farthen Dûr &mdash; Merge to Eragon
 * Battle for Carvahall &mdash; Merge to Eldest
 * Blood-Oath Celebration &mdash; Merge to Eldest
 * Zar'roc &mdash; Merge to Eragon
 * Pre-Rider War &mdash; Merge to Dragon Riders
 * The Fall (Inheritance) &mdash; Merge to Dragon Riders

I'm ambivalent about the Dragon Riders article, but I won't try to get rid of it just yet.

I think I listed everything. If not, would someone be so kind as to link it?

Most of these are not notable on their own. These articles are writting completely in-universe. The main reason is that these should not be their own articles; they should be in a List of... article. For a good collective guideline, and more eloquent arguments, see WP:WAF.

Unless there are comments in opposition, I will merge and redirect these sometime soon. I am fairly sure this won't but happen, but I thought I'd outline my plan up front. i said 03:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * 100% in agreement with you... the Inheritance articles have always been in a bit of a mess. I added Elva (Inheritance) to your list, which I think you missed. Also, what do you think about Magic (Inheritance) (completely unsourced), which largely appears to be a "how-to" guide? Gedwey Ignasia can probably just be deleted; it's so short.


 * It also seems that everything in Category:Inheritance Trilogy locations should be merged into Alagaësia and The Empire (Inheritance) (two articles due to the amount of information there would be, although if it turns out I'm wrong we can merge them). The two aforementioned articles need some serious trimming-down; they currently go into too much detail for my liking. Una LagunaTalk 06:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I missed Elva, because she has already been redirected. The Magic page needs to go, and so does Gedwey Ignasia. As for locations, thanks for reminding me. I meant to do that one, just forgot. Merge everything geographic into an article entitled Alagaësia.
 * As a side note, I just found WikiProject Inheritance Trilogy. It seems to be inactive, but I plan to notify the talk page of this conversation. i said 05:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try to help too.--Sunny910910 (talk 18:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I dont think Races such as Kull (Inheritance), Ra'zac, and Urgal should go in Characters in the Inheritance Trilogy since they are not individual characters themselves, perhaps they should go in a different page named Races in the Inheritance Trilogy (or somthing like that).--Sunny910910 (talk 18:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that those three don't really belong in a Characters Page, but I didn't want to create another page entirely. However, if we expanded a Races page to include dwarves, elves etc. that could work. i said 22:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats what I meant, a page that includes all the races.--Sunny910910 (talk 01:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps they could be merged into Alagaësia, since there is already a section for it.--Sunny910910 (talk 01:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yes. Even better. i said 03:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

←Discussion has stalled. Barring objection, I intented to do this in the next few days. All of the characters I listed above will be merged into the List of Characters page; save the races which will be merged into Alagaësia, with The Empire page merged there as well. All of the locations will be in the Alagaësia article. I'll check any categories after that, and deal with them. I'm going to notify the WP talk page. i said 02:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC) I have ✅ the redirects I suggested above. I'll go back through at some point, and try to make sure any neccesary content is at the merged location. &mdash; i said 23:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Age of Eragon
Was Eragon a 15 year old boy or a 17 year old boy? I ask because 68.9.245.120 edited the article to say that Eragon was 17. I reversed the change but wonder if that was a good-faith edit or not.--Mumia-w-18 08:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * 15 in books, 17 in films. This has been discussed many times before. Una LagunaTalk 12:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you.--Mumia-w-18 13:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I put in an invisible warning between the numbers 1 and 5 in 15 earlier. This should cause at least some of the editing to stop. --74.137.227.117 06:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

He was 15 at the beginning of Eragon. Somewhere in the middle of the book, he turned 16. 66.82.9.62 (talk) 02:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Creator of Saphira's eye
Durring my editing of wikipedia, I had noticed an edit done on this article (shown here). At first glance, I thought it vandalism or something else unconstructive. However, afterwards the IP contacted me on my talkpage and brought up an interesting point. The article states that "both the first cover (see left) and the map were drawn by Paolini". This is misleading, since according to Christopher Paolini's comments in the Acknowlegments section of Eragon, it was his sister, Angela Paolini, who spent "long hours Photoshopping Saphira's eye on the cover". Interestingly, Angela Paolini is appropriately credited in the wikipedia article about Christopher Paolini, but was not credited properly in the article about the actual book the cover appeared on. And also, on Christopher Paolini there was: Paolini's sister Angela created the cover art for the first edition of Eragon, which featured Saphira's eye. She also drew the maps on the inside covers of his books And yet to contridict that, on Eragon (This page), it says: Eragon a cover and map of Alagaësia, both the first cover (see left) and the map were drawn by Paolini. So thats it, anybody have any opinions?--Sunny910910 (talk 23:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * This official page (perhaps not written by Paolini himself) and this interview are the sources used for that section. Both of them agree that Paolini drew the map and the eye. I don't have a copy of Eragon on me (I borrowed a copy from a friend a while back to read it), so I have no real way to verify whether or not what the IP said is true. But if it says Angela created them in the acknowledgements then we'll have to decide if we think two sources are more accurate than one (and this one may be considered more reliable). Una LagunaTalk 06:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I believe that in those two sources you gave the eye in question is the eye inside the book, i.e. the one that appears at the end, not the one of Saphira's on the cover. I believe that the Saphira's eye was indeed drawn by his sister. As for the map, are there any sources that indicate anyone but Christopher drew them? I (talk) 00:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * When you say "I beleive that the Saphira's eye was indeed drawn by his sister", are you talking about the eye inside the book? All these eyes are getting me confused.--Sunny910910 (talk 01:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I am referring to the eye on the cover. I (talk) 05:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I's eyes? This is confusing! If only the sources were a little more clear... but what I's said seems to make sense. Una LagunaTalk 06:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

They eye on the old cover and the eye inside the new cover are the same picture, done by his sister


 * As far as I know, the eye on the cover was done with photoshop by his sister, in which he mentions in the book, so you could just cite the book for that. But, technically, wouldn't that cover w/ the eye be the first edition cover? ~ Bella   Swan  23:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I removed the sentence until it can be verified. The article on the author says his sister did it, and provides a source. Keep in mind saying the artwork was done "by Paolini" is true in either sense, that being his sister's last name as well. Could this be the cause of some confusion? -R. fiend (talk) 19:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Plot summary
Why is there no plot summary? BlueCanary9999 23:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Just go to Star Wars and replace "force" with "Dragons", and you've basically got it. -R. fiend (talk) 19:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree BlueCanary9999, there should be a plot summary included in this article. Essentially, it should resemble the format of Eldest. --- SpeedOfDarkness (talk) 17:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * A vandal appears to have removed it. I went through the article history and found the old plot summary and re-inserted it. Una LagunaTalk 18:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)