Talk:Eragon (video game)

Possible reason of GameCube version cancellation
The reason for the cancellation of the GameCube version was pretty obvious... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.160.7.221 (talk) 16:43, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

This article is too much like an advertisement for the game
I'm not the best writer in the world, so could somebody fix it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.234.4.254 (talk • contribs).

I bought this game because I'm an avid fan of the books. I just want to tell you this is the worst game I have boughten in two years and unfortunatly i must give it 1 out of 5 stars —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.40.241.111 (talk • contribs). Ha ha ha dumbass of course it was awful it was based on a movie. 71.251.77.125 02:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I've taken the second bullet from the Trivia section, added some facts from Eragon (film) and the latest issue of PC Gamer UK to create the Critical Reception section. It isn't very big, but it is at least a start. UnaLaguna 19:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Current problems which need sorting out
I'm looking at the difference between this article and the Starcraft article, which is featured. Due to the nature of this game, we won't have as much content (yet), as A) this is only a film adaptation and B) it is unlikely to remain as popular as StarCraft. UnaLaguna 07:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The article seems to focus on the PC/main console version with very little on the GameBoy Advance, Nintendo DS and PSP versions. Perhaps we could add an "other versions" section describing the differences between between the versions (and perhaps if they were received by critics in a different manner). I don't own any of the games, so I wouldn't know.
 * I've split the Previews and releases into, imaginatively, a Previews and a Releases section. The Releases section deals with the different versions released. UnaLaguna 20:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The Previews and Releases section is written in the future tense. This suggests the game has yet to be released, but it has. Somebody needs to re-write this in the past tense.
 * See above: as well as splitting the section into two, I re-wrote them into the correct tense and improved the quality of language used. UnaLaguna 20:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What many other game articles have which this doesn't is a gameplay section. It's almost impossible to have a video game article without information about the actual playing of the game. This would simply require somebody to describe what the game is like: what you do, how you do it. Screenshots would help to strengthen this section. The single remaining piece of trivia could be merged with this section.
 * I've made a start, but I think this is about as far as I can reasonably take the section without going and buying the game.UnaLaguna 21:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps somebody could add a development section detailing how the game was developed and any difficulties they ran in to. There might not be enough detail for this section to be justified for standing alone. Hence, it is perhaps better to describe the development in the Previews and Releases section.
 * When compared to other game articles, the plot section is very weak. While we won't necessarily need to flesh the synopsis of it out, I think that it might be possible to add a summary of each level. If you look at the StarCraft section on plot, they have a section on the setting. In the context of Eragon: is the game set in locales taken straight from the film, or are there extra sections, or is the setting completely different from the film? Perhaps obvious questions, but they can still be added!
 * Somewhere we could add a cast list. I hear that the actors from the films gave their voices: is this true? Getting hold of this information should be easy for somebody with the game to do: simply run the credits and write down the names.
 * There currently isn't much in the way of references or external links, but I'm not sure if this is such a major article (as the article grows, references will become more and more important and there's more information to source!).
 * I've added some references. UnaLaguna 21:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The StarCraft page talks about sequels. I'm not sure if we'd be able to do this at the moment, but I would guess that if Eldest is made into a film then a game adaptation will follow.

I'm going to put this article up for assessment to find out what needs doing. UnaLaguna 21:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

AI comment
I removed the following section from the preview section:
 * In the videogame, there are some levels with mist. In these levels, Urgals (your enemies) will run blindly through fog and knock Eragon down.

First thing's first: this doesn't belong in the Preview Section. Really, it should belong in the Critical Reception section and requires a source (presumably some game footage would suffice, even if it was made by one of us?). UnaLaguna
 * I would suggest a sentence in a more complete Gameplay section describing the game's various situations (standard combat, dragon, misty-bits) would cover it. Sourcing would be another matter, though. Hyperspacey 04:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Found some websites which might be of some use

 * Publisher's page about the game, with some key dates (announcement, etc)
 * The official game website (possibly worth putting in the external links section >_>)
 * Article on the game on Inheriwiki
 * Article about the game on The Inheritance Encyclopedia (a lesser-know Inheritance wiki)
 * Screenshots from the games on different platforms can be found at Shurgutal.com (console, presumably promotional, Game Boy Advance, probably also promotional, PSP, probably promotional, Gameplay screenshots taken by Shurgutal staff). This article direly needs screenshots of gameplay. What is the state of copyright with these images?

I'll see what I can do with these links, and feel free to add stuff yourself. UnaLaguna Never mind, those images all have watermarks in them, so we can't use them. I'll find another image or, failing that, I'll download the demo and get a screenshot from that. UnaLaguna 07:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Peer review
I'm going through and following the suggestions made by the good people at CVG Peer Review. Of the fourteen points, I've done seven. But those are the seven easy points. UnaLaguna 07:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Eragon/Drakengard?
I don't know of any sources that really cite such comparisons, and my time with the Eragon video game is very limited, but would it be a fair assessment to suggest that Eragon plays in a similar vein to the Drakengard games? Would this be worth noting in any capacity if the similarities are truly there?--Hailinel 18:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If there are suitable number of similarities and they can be sourced then it's a possibility. But there are other games, such as Drakan: Order of the Flame which have dragon-human gameplay. Unless sourced statements are available, no similarities for any games should be added to the article.UnaLaguna 18:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Positive "reviews"
Far and few between, I know, but that hasn't stopped Smith Jones trying:
 * A more positive and fiarminded review is the one foundhere as well as the other extreme good reviewEragon Game Information page.

Tell ya what, if anybody finds a positive review (I don't think we need any negative ones), put a link here before adding it to the actual article and we'll see if it's usable. UnaLaguna 06:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) For one thing, the spelling and grammar are incorrect in places.
 * 2) Secondly, you're meant to put the external links in the references section using the Cite Web template, not the main body of text.
 * 3) A preview and a review are two different things. That's why that Xbox 360 article is so "fiarminded": because they haven't played the game!
 * 4) I couldn't find a review from the link you stuck there. And, um, I really wouldn't link to a fansite's review anyway. It's essentially the same as linking to the official page in the Reception section and using the PR drivel they come up with there. A fansite's review doesn't count as a reputable source. They need to be professional and reputable reviewers, as I said on your talk page.


 * okay thank you for your help i didnt know that it was a review and not a preview. Smith Jones 16:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's some ideas
 * here What about Eragon on GBA?
 * here not sure if this is suitable
 * here C+ ain't all bad.

--Clyde (talk) 16:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * i injected clydes links to the article but i need your feed back about on how it does working. Smith Jones 01:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I completely forgot about the handheld versions. Good finds! I tidied up Smith's addition to the article, converting the reference to use the cite web template. I'm not familiar with how the gamerevolution site grades the games, but a C+ still seems pretty mediocre. The 1up link doesn't work properly for me. Nevertheless, the GBA review was an excellent find. UnaLaguna 06:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * a C+ grades isnt fvery good but its not a bad review like the bashing "reviews" ma e by the other people. Smith Jones 00:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well if you look for the handheld reviews, you'll find many of good ones. Look for a few, trust me, they're there.--Clyde (talk) 23:13, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

What about gamecube
I thought this game was coming out on gamecube. Is it just me or have I been falsly lead?68.1.169.148 16:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Read the article, and you'll see it says "A Gamecube version was planned but it was later cancelled." Source: UnaLaguna 21:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Screenshot!
I had some free time, so installed and played the Eragon PC demo, played it (quite possibly the worst gaming experience I've ever had) and took a few screenshots. I selected the "best" one and uploaded it. I used IrfanView to take the screenshot, which resulted in a mouse cursor being visible in the screenshot when it wasn't supposed to. Some copying and pasting of textures in The GIMP, and now you can hardly tell.

I urge you all to view the page and bask in the glory of this screenshot! UnaLaguna

GA?
I looked at the to-do list, and I think this would pass GA if the story section was longer. Una, you've done a lot of work with the game. Is the story of the game similar to that of the book? If so, I could perhaps put a little more info in, and maybe at the top of story something like this in.--Clyde (talk) 00:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * For further information see Eragon Story.


 * I've read the book and seen the film, but I don't actually own the game >_<. I'd assumed that as it's based on the film rather than the book that it follows the film's plot more closely. I have found a walkthrough hosted on IGN which describes the plot, but I'm not sure if that would count are a verifiable source. UnaLaguna 05:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Gamefaqs usually has pretty good guides, and I'm surprised that they would even have one for this article. If I were you, I would run with it, it looks pretty good. One thing to remember is that guides tell you how to play the game. A plot section summarizes the story from an out of universe perspective with character and setting sections if possible. Don't turn it into a game guide.--Clyde (talk) 19:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. Gamefaqs doesn't like people linking directly to guide pages. It uses up too much bandwidth.


 * It's nice having someone with experience to consult :) I'll get right on it! UnaLaguna 20:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've spent about an hour using the walkthrough to write a plot summary:


 * Whilst hunting in The Spine, fifteen-year-old Eragon finds a mysterious blue stone. He keeps it, thinking that it can be sold or bartered. However, the egg turns out to be that of a dragon. After the egg has hatched as Saphira, Eragon's discovery attracts the attention of the cruel king Galbatorix. The king's servants kill Eragon's uncle and burn his home. Brom, whom Eragon considers as nothing more than an old storyteller, helps him fight his way out of the village. He then gives Eragon an old sword.


 * Eragon, Brom and Saphira make their way to Daret, where they are attacked in the docks. They find the rest of the town on fire and hold off a swarm of the king's servants as the villagers try to put out these fires. After leaving Daret the threesome are pursued by a group of Ra'zac. Saphira becomes trapped under debris and Eragon must both try to free her and hold off the Ra'zac. After defeating the nearby enemies, the group make their way to Gil'ead, where Eragon and Brom sneak through the city and keep to try and free Arya. After a lengthy battle through Durza's fortress (resulting in the death of Brom), Eragon meets Arya and Murtagh, who now join the group in the absence of Brom.


 * The group escape from Gil'ead on Saphira's back, but face some Kull in the ruins of Orthiad. After defeating many Kull and Urgals they make their way to the Beor Mountains, where more Urgals lie in wait. They then sneak through an Urgal encampment, and make their way through a misty gorge. The group get to the Varden's hideout and defend it against hoardes of Urgals. Eragon and Saphira then face Durza a second time, eventually killing him.

It's the sort of size Krator suggested making the plot summary in the Peer Review. Otherwise, is it any good? UnaLaguna 05:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it's really good; you should put it in. Make sure to include a spoiler tag, since it includes Brom's death and other important details. Do you think it would be worth it to have a character and setting section as well? It shouldn't be too hard. Maybe just Eragon, Saphira, and Brom, and with the setting section, just a blurb about Alagaësia.--Clyde (talk) 19:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Eh forget that, there's links and good descriptions already. I know you said you're done with the article on your userpage, but I think this would pass GA. You should nominate it; if you don't, can I? If you don't want to deal with it being on hold, I will work on it, but I think this is GA material.--Clyde (talk) 00:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Nominated. I hope I did it all right. *Crosses fingers* UnaLaguna 05:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

GA On Hold
GA On Hold

I have a few concerns with the article, mainly in terms of clarity.

Gameplay
 * The gameplay section mentions some Saphira-specific levels but doesn't elaborate. How are these played out? Are they similar to the rest of the game, or do they use seperate mechanics entirely? If they're seperate, this needs to be fully covered. Additionally, multiplayer can probably be mentioned with the rest of the gameplay if it's essentially the same game.

Plot
 * No major problems, but there should perhaps be some mention of differences (if any) between the Book, Movie, and Game. (Note: This isn't one of the reasons I'm putting the GA on hold, just a suggestion)

Releases
 * The prose here is contradictory. The Releases section mentions "With the exception of the Xbox 360, the console and PC versions of the game are very similar, focusing on the same mechanics", then later mentions that the XBox 360 version has two extra levels and an extra foe. Which is it? Is the XBox 360 different from a gameplay perspective, or is it just the same Eragon game with a couple extras?


 * The Handhelds (for PSP and DS) can be excised entirely, as unless they're ports of the same game they should be handled in seperate articles.


 * Needs a bit of copyediting. Nothing major, but items like "On December 6th 2006 a free downloadable preview of the guide was made available for download from the Sierra webpage" shouldn't repeat the same thing. It could be trimmed down to "On December 6th 2006 a free downloadable preview of the guide was made available for download from the Sierra webpage."

Aside from these items, this is a pretty solid article. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 20:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, and one more thing. Like the Plot item I mentioned this won't hold you back from GA-class, but you might want to find a brighter screenshot for the article, such as this. The current one is very difficult to make out, even at it's native resolution. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 20:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll get on it ASAP UnaLaguna 20:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've made a few edits, and I think I've covered most of the points you mentioned. UnaLaguna 20:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This now meets GA-class standards. You might wish to revisit the items I've not struck through in the future, but the article as-is looks fine. Good work! Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 22:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!! Life is good :) UnaLaguna 05:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

WHAT ABOUT THE HANDHELD?!
I don't own the console games, so I can't contribute about them, but the article (except for the 'Response' section) doesn't mention the handheld version. Huh? It's a good game, and supposedly the one to get the better review of the two.

I know this sounds like an ad, but my point is that this is a unique game, and with gameplay utterly different from the console versions. So can it PLEASE be included? 169.229.121.94 03:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * One interesting feature is (on the world map, she will not go into towns due to fear of being seen) that Saphira actually fights alongside Eragon in battle.
 * Another is that you get a tutorial in which you control Arya, Faolin, and Glenwing, where they teach you (using the high-level elves) how to fight and play the game.
 * There's also a section before when Saphira hatches where, in addition to Eragon, Roran and Katrina are in your party.
 * There are 'ruins' where you can walk up to these 'ruins' on the world map, and press A to fight a tough battle. In exchange, if you win, you get items superior to those simply found in treasure chests or dropped by enemies. In this game, Yazuac is such a ruin - Eragon instead learns how to use magic during an Urgal ambush outside town on the World Map.
 * Most towns are simply places to forge, rest, and make potions. Only the story-important ones have interiors.
 * Characters can choose their focus in an ability, so that they can learn special skills. Hunting is strength and combos with the bow in addition to tracking ability, Weapons is strength and combos with swords, etc. in addition to getting the right to fight tough opponents in town, Herbal allows you to pick herbs and make potions, and Magic... is, well, Magic. P.S. Endurance allows you to lift crates.
 * I own none of the Eragon games, but I can tell you that there isn't one handheld game, as your commentary suggests. Read the article and you'll see that there are different versions for the various handhelds (I took that information straight from the developer's website). Also, read the comments relating to the GA on hold. You'll see there that in-depth descriptions of the handheld versions don't belong in this article as they are significantly different from the others. So in answer to your question, no it can't be included in the Eragon (video game) article, but yes it can be included in Wikipedia, providing you can find reliable sources to back it up.UnaLaguna 06:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Ugh... I'm really sorry about that one. I forgot that the different handheld systems had utterly different versions... I'll try after my semester's over. Sorry about the yelling... I tend to get overenthusiastic. Again, sorry... 169.229.121.94 21:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

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Paragraph 9
"They face Durza a second time" it doesn't say that they face him a first time, please add this in in the correct place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.245.224 (talk) 01:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

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