Talk:Eric Cartman/Archive 2

CARTMAN'S LIKES/DISLIKES
I was wondering whether there should be a cartman's like/dislike article in this entry.Let make a start here:

Likes: cheesy puffs Nintendo Wii Adolf Hitler KFC Chocolate Chicken Pot Pie Beef stakes Radiohead

Dislikes : Jews Mrs. Garrison Blacks Stan Kyle Seniors in school like scott tenermon CANT FORGET THOSE GODDAM HIPPIES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.44.83 (talk) 04:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Cartman dislikes just about everything other than what he likes, so it's kind of a silly list. And you should sign your edits.24.74.1.139 12:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Picture
Some idiot changed the picture back again. As this doesn't reflect Cartman's current appearance on the show (its the old paper model from the pilot) could someone please put on a newer image? 130.88.174.229 00:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Whoever changed the picture is not an idiot, there are limitations on the type of picture that can be used on wikipedia. See WP:Image for more info.  The current picture is adequate in my opinion, though if someone can get a fair use image that reflects Cartman's current appearance, that could be useful.  Best would be a series of images showing his evolution throughout the series.  WLU 15:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I just find it irritating that someone would change the picture without giving a reason, that's all. If the new image contravened the fair use policy, the person who changed it back could have at least said so. 130.88.174.229 16:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with that kid. Yea, he's kewl. --Eric Cartman 77 20:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Speaking Spanish
There have been several instances of Cartman showing that he is fluent in Spanish. In Rainforest Schmainforest he raises his hand when the leader of GGWK asks if anyone knows Spanish, but he is quickly rebuked. This is the first incident (that I know of right now) where he expresses a knowledge of the language. He converses with people in Spanish in My Future Self n' Me, and again in D-Yikes. There are probably more that I am missing, but I think something should be added to this article regarding this. I'm not sure how to work it into the article though. Jsc83 23:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Because it only happens for a couple minutes max in the entire series, this especially has to be weighted proportionally. To me the only this makes sense to fit in is in passing reference, as in "Appears to speak fluent Spanish in episodes A and B". That's it. Maybe it can be reworded somewhat, but the point is it's length has got to be short to be included. Because of it's relative weight, the maximum it should get is one sentence, not a single full stop more. I would go further to say, generally in an encyclopedia is pretty much an indiscriminate collection of every fact, organized in a readable way. And it's pruned of the much larger things mentioned here, which is basically saying no huge text areas and no verbose words and numbers filling up the entire screen. This is worth one sentence, any more, and it has to be justified. This is all I think is recommended, and encourage anyone to make easy fact in somewhere in the article. I'm off. Nastajus (talk) 03:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

gingers
Im not certain of this, but i thought he didnt have anything against non-freckled redheads, just the freckled redheads. is this true?· Lygophile   has   spoken  00:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, he calls redheads without freckles such as Kyle "daywalkers" (because they supposedly don't have to hide from the sun unlike "gingers") and he is certainly also prejudiced against them. In fact, he even remains hostile towards "daywalkers" after starting his "Ginger Separatist Movement" because they are only "half-ginger". Mwarf 11:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * ow, oops. that was what it was. must have remember reversely for some odd reason· Lygophile   has   spoken  00:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes.. But it's unsure whether he has anything against redheads w/o freckles, because Kyle is an example of that, and is loathed by Cartman. But, that may just be due to the fact that Cartman is an anti-semitist. Mizu onna sango15 02:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

"Screw you guys, I'm going home!"
This is a line he uses quite often, shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere? ---

Maybe we could include it in bold, as a catchphrase a the end of his personality section. Wilhelmina Will July 7th, 2007.
 * Does it have to be bold? Why? The words should weigh themselves.Nastajus (talk) 04:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

possible voice inspiration?
Hi,I was just wondering if it was at all possible Cartman's voice was inspired by Truman Capote ,I mean his is more high-pitched,but its an idea....

Regerding the Knife...
Do we really need to have that picture of Cartman holding that knife with that sinister gleam about him? I've like the way he looks there, of course (he looks really good with a knife and an evil grin), but it isn't really one of his alternate appearances. If it isn't actually helping the article, then what the hell is it doing here??? this picture shows cartman's more demeaning side. in a certain sout park episode (cannot remember the name) it shows cartman about to kill his mother because she hhad scisor the dog whisperer to change him as a child. MCRnumberONE Wilhelmina Will July 20th, 2007.

Changes
I really thing this article could do with some work and I'm willing to help in my free time. I think that a lot of this stuff like relationships and what not should be removed or immensely condensed, not having their own section. There should be an overview of his creation, his role in the series, his impact in culture and that any other stuff that is necessary. Theres definetly a lot of fancruft here.Darkwarriorblake 22:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Reorganisation
I have made a bunch of reorganisations to the article which I felt were sorely lacking. No content was deleted. The existing content has been reorganised into personality, family, relationships, moments, and talents. vineetcoolguy 01:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I didn't see it, but it's appreciated. Nastajus (talk) 04:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

References Needed?
Hi I'm not sure about the heading where it says that the article needs additional sources. Most facts clearly cite the episode they are from. Could anyone please comment on whether this particular header is actually needed? Maybe people who feel that more references are required can add Fact wherever they feel a citation is needed so that others can add the required citation. vineetcoolguy 12:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Why locked?
I have recently noticed that this article has been locked and cannot be edited. Is there any known reason as to why that is? Mizu onna sango15 02:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

It was locked due to persistent vandalism from anonymous users. Established users are still able to edit it. Judged by the fact that you have an account, you ought to be able to edit it as well. Wilhelmina Will 02:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Photography
He seems to have an interest in this and seems to know what he's doing, particularly in the last few episodes. Maybe add this to the skills section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.172.4.43 (talk) 15:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. He seems to be pretty smart when it comes to Photography, like in Cartman Sucks and Imaginationland 2/3. I say add it. --Imhungry 22:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He seems to be pretty smart at a lot of things. I'm not sure what can really be done with that, but felt it was necessary to state here. Nastajus (talk) 04:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

The Seven Deadly Sins
Greed, Lust, Sloth, Gluttony, Pride, Envy and Wrath - Cartman has both actively and passive displayed all these sins, throughout the span of South Park. And these are not small things, either - His gluttony and greed have already been remarked upon, under his personality. He seems to embody all seven of these traits, at one time or another. It's also notable that certain traits always have more important over others: For example - Wrath (Season Five's Scott Tenorman Must Die), Pride (The recent Imaginationland, as well as a medley of other episodes), Greed/Envy (Uh....Too many episodes to list off. The Wii episode, as well as Casa Bonita.) I think this should be seriously considered. 74.12.13.224 14:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC) Joe Caron P.S. I'm trying to find a contact to Matt Stone or Trey Parker to ask them personally. If they do give me a response that's verifying, I'll link it and make the changes myself.

Uncensored Tag
I just added a tag that notifies that this article is to be uncensored, so as to deter any people that want to remove any swear or sexually themed words/references. I used the tag. If you remove this tag, leave a note on this page. Flaminglawyer talk contrib 22:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Obesity
I put up that cartman admitted to weighing 190 pounds on the football game on live tv but with in a few minuets it was gone it was the truth are erased for no good reason. Also meaning he gained 100 pounds over the last 11 seasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.43.175 (talk) 03:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Where? When? I've removed it for now. Give a citation if you put it back. vineetcoolguy (talk) 07:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * OK found it. No harm done. link vineetcoolguy (talk) 07:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

the video was deleted for some reason find another source--Greenday21 (talk) 16:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

Want to Trade?
This article contains so much good information on Eric Cartman. Would it be all right if I replaced its content with that of his article in South Park Wiki, and moved that article's content to here? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 08:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Catchphrases
Wikipedia isn't a quote guide, but Cartman's catchphrases are such an important part of his personality that at least the more notable ones should definitely be part of the article. Come on, an article on Cartman without his "goddammit" or "respect my authoritah"? What we need to do is this: not add quotes and rather concentrate on catchphrases, which are repeated several times over the entire series. I'm going to put back the catchphrases section, with non-notable ones removed. vineetcoolguy (talk) 10:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup on repeated facts
I just read the article, and I noticed that several facts where repeated several times. Both in the chapters, but also thoughout the article, perhaps someone should look into getting rid of the repeated facts? I'll come back later and point out the specifik facts. Gregersb (talk) 22:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Large Revisions?
The massive revisons that have been attempted to be reverted by someone called "Simpson, Bart" are very unnessecary. Shouldn't wikipedia have more information? Even if it has unsourced material, as long as people try to find more citations and keep an eye on it for vandalism, we cannot have so small an article for so significant a character. I believe "Jack Merridew" and "TTN" have done too large a revision, and it is illogical to have "Eric Cartman" as a stub. TrickyDickotry (talk) 16:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The article as it used to be was filled with original research, Point of view and unsourced statements. While I sort of disagree with stubbing, the page was pretty bad so we decided to start over, and the smaller version is much better than the huge version. I think we can all agree that Cartman deserves a GOOD page, not a lengthy one. -- Scorpion0422 16:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a reason I marked my edit as minor. --Jack Merridew 16:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Jack Merridew, I must have mixed up your edit with someone else's. Anyway, I do agree that Cartman's page was over-cluttered, but his current page is way too small. Can't we add some of the less trivial things? Wikipedia really can't have such a small page on Cartman. If there's any "original research" on his history and tendencies that's obviously true but we can't verify it, we can always cite "South Park Studios", which is the official website. It is just plain not good to have such a glossed-over page for a character that is a major part of the media.TrickyDickotry (talk) 20:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You can create a small fictional biography or something citing the episodes. I mean that is where the evidence is. That episode 'Tsst' was pretty important to his character development.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Definitely. This small version is way more clean than the huge version will full in-universe information. That way, the article can be restarted and be a decent Wikipedia article.  Armando.O talk· Ev· 3K 00:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Styx
Hey, what about when Eric has to sing Come Sail Away whenever someone starts it? It's not mentioned.--68.3.17.26 (talk) 02:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

The previous version before this edit has some excellent content. Is it possible to get this information back? 86.129.97.12 (talk) 22:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only part of one episode, it's hardly an essential part of Cartman's character. Jeff24 (talk) 14:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Shortened?
This page use to be huge now its really small... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omgtkkyb1992 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

What the heck happened to most of the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.206.105 (talk) 19:37, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The article was cleaned up. All those sections were trivial and just cluttering the article. Wikipedia simply isn't a guide to every little trivial note on a cartoon character. RobJ1981 (talk) 00:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Just about all the other South Park characters have their lengthy and detailed articles intact, and the info contained therein could be considered just as superfluous as the deleted section on Cartman (or just about any fictional character that has had some degree of cultural impact). Am I perchance detecting editorial arbitrariness here? Jonas Liljeström (talk) 23:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Every other major South Park character has a long article that goes into detail on his character.  Whether people like it or not, this is the standard for these pages; Eric Cartman is the most notable character on the show, and his page should reflect this.  Anyone who reverts the page back into this 100-word muck is vandalizing it. Hpanic7342 (talk) 19:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As Wikipedia:Verifiability states, unverified and unsourced material may be removed at any time. I am not going to get in an edit war at this time, but if these statements in the article are not sourced within the near feature, I will be removing them, per WP:NOR. If you wish the article to remain at its current length, then I suggest you get to work. And even then, some of the information here is clearly not notable and cannot remain even if it is cited. Dlong (talk) 19:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * What was that about editorial arbitrariness? Hpanic7342 (talk) 05:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * How about adding sourced statements, instead of just reverting to the previous version? -- Scorpion0422 06:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment: The article was shortened by User:TTN (a notorious user in these parts) because most of it was original research and unencyclopedic info. But User:Paul730 and I agreed that it should be immigrated over to the South Park Wikia. If you want to contribute further, why not put the information in there? Eric Cartman could use a lot more help in the wiki-encyclopedia dedicated to his show than he could here. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 18:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the commentary, it's appreciated to put this all in perspective. Nastajus (talk) 04:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No problemo! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 20:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Improving entire article
I have started on improving the article, starting on the characterization section. I will be editing the rest of the article now, clearing up grammatical errors and useless drivol. Philbuck222 (talk) 21:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

AIDS
Cartman contracted AIDS in an accident during a tonsilectomy. Where can this be added in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.6.84.67 (talk) 02:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually dude, Cartman found the cure and got back to normal in the same episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.27.55 (talk) 23:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The whole "cats" thing
A lot of it is original research, and plot summary. I think I'll reduce it to the core point, and the rest will be moved to his article in South Park Wiki. Anyone who thinks it should stay here can put it back, just don't revert my edits; please do it manually instead. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 21:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The article
The article seems to be verging into heavy OR again.

Also this http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89375695 was posted recently and helps back up elements from the earlier article that stated Cartmans Mom was behind a lot of why Cartman is the way he is. I might add it later unless someone else wants to sooner.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Origin with Eric Carmen
I know there has been a lot of speculation that Eric's name comes from Eric Carmen (a generic 80's singer). However, I can't find a reference to this. Has anyone else heard this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.137.134 (talk) 20:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Go to List of students at South Park Elementary, under "Wendy Testaburger". Click on the reference to the interview with Trey Parker, in which Trey says Wendy and Stan have had sex together. In that same interview, he says that "Cartman" is derived from someone with the surname "Carpman". Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 22:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Cartman's jewish ancestry? No way...
Why is Sheila a possible candidate for Cartman's mom? There is no such reference anywhere in the series. I've removed the line until more evidence or a reference is forthcoming. vineetcoolguy 17:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * At the end of Cartman's Mom Is Still a Dirty Slut, We find out that Ms. Cartman is actually Cartman's father. Sheila was one of the possible candidates for Cartman's actual mother. It was never revealed who Cartman's true mother is. The episode ended with cartman exclaiming "Oh, forget it!".--Swellman 17:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * But was that actually said by that professor guy or was it just a background thing said by the "narrator" in that episode? I seem to remember that it was the latter. In that case it doesnt really mean that its a choice between just those three women (Sheila, mayor and crabtree) actually cartman's mom could be anyone at all. vineetcoolguy 17:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In 407, 'Cherokee Hair Tampons', Cartman is the only person in South Park with the same blood type as Kyle, which might indicate that they are related... - sirop, 26 August 2007
 * If you look at sirop's statement from a genetic point of view it's nonsense.. A person inherits 1 allele for bloodtype from each parent (A,B or 0). A and B are dominant to 0, therefore there actually 6 Types in genotype (AA,A0,BB,B0,AB,00), but only 4 in phenotype (A,B,AB,0). That means they probably both had 0 or AB as a bloodtype for the other bloodtypes are to common, but that does not mean they are related. They are probably also RhD-negative for this is less common (than RhD-pos), but this also does not imply relation. -CrazyBeaver, 25 October 2007  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.96.57.43 (talk) 11:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed nonsense, I don't know the number, but there's generally lots of people with the same blood type. Depends of course. Nastajus (talk) 04:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, people in the same family often have different blood types. Blood type doesn't mean much when it comes to determining relation. Gamer 2k4 (talk) 04:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Keep Walking
I will work on this article as and when I get time. But I want to see Cartman article featured. It is long overdue. Slimmer Eric Cartman (talk) 03:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Good article?
My pet project for the last couple of days has been overhauling this article. It now has a photo montage, 25 references, perfect (or at least close) spelling/grammar etc, and has been reorganized and largely rewritten. I'm considering nominating it for GA status, what do "ya'all" think? -- L'Aquatique [ review ]  04:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I concur. This is article still has lot of scope of improvement to be a featured article, but this article has improved drastically within last week. Wikipedia has to Respect Cartman's Authoritah one day or other.Slimmer Eric Cartman (talk) 22:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * HAH! So true. I guess I'll go nominate, then...  L'Aqùatique [ review ]  22:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I hate to say this, but this page is nowhere near GA status. Check current GAs like Homer Simpson, Troy McClure, Ned Flanders, Waylon Smithers and Sideshow Bob, and listen to the DVD commentaries to get more background info. -- Scorpion0422 23:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, remind me to never, ever become a GA reviewer, because I really strongly disagree with this. All the articles listed should be featured, a good article is merely one that is "satisfactory". Considering the goodly majority of articles here are unreferenced stubs, this article is considerably better than those...  L'Aqùatique [ review ]  02:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I have to concur with Scorpion here, this was far from Good Article class when you nom'd it, L'Aquatique. The aformentioned articles do not quite meet the Featured criteria, so they're fine the way they are. This particular article would need a lot of cleanup just to reach B-class, IMHO, as there is still a lot of cruftiness still exsisting. It is also very in-universe in nature. Consider giving it a sufficient re-write (or at least a good copyedit) before trying again. -- Mizu onna sango15 / Discuss 21:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Sexuality
We don't need a section about Cartman's sexuality. He is nine years old. Raddboz (talk) 15:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please refer to the above discussions. Age has little to do with his sexuality&mdash; he is indeed at the very least bi-curious. Eric has engaged in many acts and situations which could be perceived as homoerotic (see "AWESOM-O", "Le Petit Tourette", The Jeffersons (South Park episode)" and other episodes); whether or not he is nine is completely immaterial. -- Mizu onna sango15 / Discuss 21:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

What the heck happened to this article?
It used to be so long, yet so informative and true. What happened? 72.221.127.126 (talk) 04:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Perhaps this article needs to go back a few months to a prior version. Now it is consistently bad in spelling, grammar, capitalisation. The information is repetitively redundant, contains massive speculation and conclusions that cannot be substantiated and leaves out key information while focusing on things that are arguably of less importance than things that are left out. --Smacksaw (talk) 11:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)smacksaw

Psychopath or sociopath?
NOTE: Have merged separate discussions as the article has recently been rewritten. My interpretation of the original is that there was no consensus on this question. Most editors supported the opinion of the show's creators, that the subject was broadly sociopathic. However, it was not established whether this was due to the subject's non-traditional upbringing, as portrayed in earlier seasons, his "ultimate" rejection of social norms, or a combination of both (illustrating the effects of mass, accessible culture on children). This led to "the subject should be seen as borderline psychopathic" and unsupported attempts to frame his dreams, and characterisation in fantasies, as psychopathic (the imagery in them being written about in absolute terms). Ottre (talk) 05:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed there's been a small revert war concerning whether Cartman is a sociopath or psycopath. As a user put it earlier on the talk page, pychopath's are usually insane and disconnected with reality, though Cartman tends to show traits which go beyond sociopathy. So what conclusion should we come to, sociopath or psychopath? Goldfishsoldier (talk) 04:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * (Original argument for) sociopath. A psychopath loses touch with reality. Cartman is perfectly sane, however he acts in an anti-social manner for personal gain of some sort or the other. So shouldn't the line read 'sociopath'? I am aware tha psychopathy is also sociopathy, however not all sociopaths are psychopaths. I've made the edit. --86.129.97.12 (talk) 22:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Clarification: he's smart and evil. Nastajus (talk) 04:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I honestly can't reach a basis either. Why not include both? At least for the time being - like until the twelfth season starts in March? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * sociopath. He has perfect understanding that he is manipulative and evil. A true psychopath never has insight to accept these things. In an episode "The List", in the unaired footage , it is shown that instead of Kyle , he is the last kid on girls' list. So he is in cafeteria with other ugly kids. He then says "[Even though I may not be good looking] , What matters is the kind of person I am from inside". And then says "goddamn it" and slumps. He knows he is evil. Hence he cannot possibly be a psychopath. I wonder how many psychopaths will readily accept. Based on the opinions of shrinks, I will say none. Also in many episodes he openly admits he manipulates people to their advantage. I have seen one true psychopath and she was exactly opposite. Manipulative , cunning but at the same time lacking complete insight to label her behaviour so.66.165.176.60 (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)Swapnil
 * sociopath. Comments such as this: "Eric Cartman [was always] a blatant caricature of Martin Heidegger." Corresponding media ecological perspective that the series created a culture hero uncomfortable in modernity: "Cartman's suspicions [necessarily lead to] America's old enemies." The nature of psychopathy was examined in the earlier characterisation, but the prevailing theme (as the series now concludes) seems to be that he actively desires an ideological (as opposed to religious or ethnic) focus for society. Ottre (talk) 05:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Cartman vs. Little People
As evident in the episode called "With apologies to Jesse Jackson" Cartman is prejudiced to Little People. Is it possible to add this in his personality page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsteroids (talk • contribs) 05:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hm, well, I don't think he hated little people, he just happened to find that one guy (who had an overly high pitched voice) hilarious. IT was mainly the guys voice than his actual stature. C. Pineda (クリス) (talk) 06:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Most Recognisable?
Is Cartman really the most recognisable South Park character? I would have said Kenny is. LazyguyI r needing userboxes plz! 21:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think that, because of the way they're designed, you could look at any one of the characters, then at first glance say, "Oh! He/She is from South Park!" Wilhelmina Will June 24th, 2007.


 * Well, I live in India and I didn't even know about South Park until 1 year ago. Yet I did recognise the cartman character when I saw him. I had seen several references to him at one time or the other. But the other characters were all new to me. vineetcoolguy 09:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

both cartman and kenny are well known, but i knew who cartman was long before i knew who kenny was.--Greenday21 (talk) 16:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Greenday21


 * And I knew about Kenny long before I knew about Cartman. I think that, certainly, they're two of the most recognized characters, but it's pretty hard to say which one is definitely more recognizable. That's imho, though.Voltair3 (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Roman Catholic?
Is Cartman really a Catholic? He certainly doesn't behave like one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledge-is-power (talk • contribs) 14:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

What kind of a question? Cartman and Liane frequently are seen in the Church scenes. Cartman is just not religious. The same dicussion was brought up about Stan Marsh some ways back. As one user stated; Unless he is an idiot who just randomly attends religious ceremonies, he is Roman Catholic. The same must be said for Cartman. Try going onto SouthParkstudios.com, and asking in the FAQ section about it. And please sign your comments and post them at the bottom of the page in future. Thank you. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you people need to assimilate the fact that there's no Eric Cartman, there's only Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Having said that, it's plainly stupid to use RL examples as arguments to portray the personality of a fictional character as if he were a real person. Wikipedia is about facts not about personal opinions on fictional people. Most of the information on this article and its talkpage is a waste of good bandwidth. Miskin (talk) 16:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The Faith +1 episode shows that Cartman was only using religion to gain money to beat Kyle in a bet, and in the end of the episode screams "F*ck Jesus" to a crowd of christians when he finds out he lost the bet.  Not exactly something a religious person would do.  Also, Butters claimed in that episode that the members of Cartman's group Faith + 1 weren't really Christians, they were just pretending.  Cartman tells Butters to be quiet.  So it seems, that Cartman goes to church because his mom brings him there, not because he wants to.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtd00123 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Also don't forget Cartman worships Mel Gibson, a Roman Catholic like a god - so that maybe another indication that is certainly a Roman Catholic 202.81.18.30 (talk) 04:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * A devout catholic, or any denomination, would not worship mel gibson as a god, because of the rule against false gods. So, by that logic, Cartman is certainly not religious.  Tealwisp (talk) 21:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe 202.81.18.30 can enlighten us to what is or was the first commandment.

We must come to a consensus, based not on what anyone's opinion on what a catholic would act like. There was recently a change to "protestant" in the infobox, indicating that there is at least some dissent to the idea that he is catholic. I have reset the box to "christian" until there is consensus with a definitive source. There was at least one episode in which the boys were at a catholic church, but I don't know if Cartman was with them. Tealwisp (talk) 21:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Red Hot Catholic Love proves that Cartman is catholic. Tealwisp (talk) 03:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Cartman does go to church in several episodes with several other boys (I can't remember the names of them at the moment, but I do remember one in particular, when he's saying a...well, for lack of a better word, rather profane 'poem' to Stan and Kenny). The thing is, Cartman is 9. He goes to church, more than likely, with his mother, not because he wants to go to church. When I was 9 I only went to church because my parents took me along, I've never been particularly religious. What I'm saying is, while it's evident that Cartman isn't exactly the most religious kid in the world, he goes to a Roman Catholic church, so technically that's his religion.Voltair3 (talk) 02:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A few of my friends who were Protestant attended my catholic church occasionally, but that didn't make them Catholic. Anyway, The thing that qualifies him as Catholic (or at least Christian) is that he has not only attended mass, but also has been known to profess his faith and practice it.  He holds the fundamental beliefs in the Biblical God and Jesus Christ, which are generally considered to be the "criteria" for being a Christian, and he acknowledges it.  So, through a purely scientific process, it can be shown that he is catholic.  Tealwisp (talk) 04:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * True. I'm just saying that, as a 9 year old, he doesn't exactly have much of a choice in religion. Kids that age tend to go to church with their parents, not because of a personal choice. But you're right, he does seem to hold the basic fundamental beliefs that would make him, at the very least, Christian.Voltair3 (talk) 17:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah he is definitely not religious, but he is still a Catholic because he attends CHurch and is baptised.

Irish-American
How is Cartman an Irish American, as we have a link to it at the bottom of the page? He's not Irish, and the show has never said he's Irish at all. In fact, he's probably German. Any name that ends with man is generally German. --98.235.80.94 (talk) 02:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Singing
Though other characters may occasionally break into song, Cartman does it an exceptional amount of times. Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere in the episode? AznWarlord (talk) 19:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't really need to be, but if you could find a citation or point us to a few episodes were he does, I think we should include it. Just post a list of the episodes where he sings, and I'll add it as a reference. Tealwisp (talk) 22:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Futurama: Bender's Big Score
I dunno if this is notable enough to be included somewhere in the article, but in the movie Futurama: Bender's Big Score, Cartman makes a cameo appearance as a head-in-a-jar while Lars and Leela are seen strolling in the museum. vDub (talk) 07:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC) That could go in media. Put it there. --Happydaysthemesong (talk) 03:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Clyde Frog
Why does Clyde Frog redirect here, there's nothing about it is there? I think it deserves a little paragraph anyone else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.69.149 (talk) 23:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want, you can redirect to the list of other south park residents and make a little section in there for him? Philbuck222 (talk) 22:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't, that norweigen guy on here will delete it saying you don't have enough information and such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Happydaysthemesong (talk • contribs) 03:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about me, I can assure you that I like adding information much better than removing it, and I wouldn't remove any sensible, sourced information about Clyde Frog from this article - on the contrary, I'd encourage adding it, as Cartman's relationship to his stuffed animals is a notable aspect of his personality. Clyde Frog doesn't belong to a list of characters though, as he's more of an object than a character. And I'm genuinely sorry if I insulted you by undoing some of your edits yesterday. 96T (talk) 14:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

he believes that he's not fat, but he's big-boned
i dont think thats true. He says hes big boned I dont think he believes it. He knows hes fat he says people at school call him fat he just doesn't have the will power to stop eating cheesy poofs.

>>he also says other "excuses" for his weight "im not fat, i'm festively plump" "im not fat, i have a sweet hockey body" i think cartman's mum has shrouded his own perception of his appearance. this is evident in the episode when his mum unexpectently sends him to fat camp. im not sure of the exact quote but cartman says to his mum that she had always told him he was big boned and she replies quite bluntly no...ur just fat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.255.19.192 (talk) 10:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Compassionate side of eric
Cartman has at certain times displayed compassion in the last few seasons (eg. major boobage where he tries to save cats without any ulterior motives). This does deserve a mention in the article as it is a new albeit intermittent shade in his character that has emerged recently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajrishi1985 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Big cleanup
In my quest to clean up the SP bio pages, I've made a significant edit to this page. I mostly removed OR and condensed a lot of repetitive material. I also removed most of the inane trivia and incorporated the rest that was somewhat useful (kept info such as how different periodicals and shows rank him in the grand scheme of cartoon characters, got rid of stuff like what wrestler likes to carry Cartman dolls to the ring and what TV shows have shown clips of Cartman using his catchphrases). I also removed stuff that cited imdb's biography page, which can be edited by anyone and isn't immune to POV.

I rearranged most a lot of the article in an attempt to spread out the numerous adjectives used to describe Cartman, and went on with some further descriptions from there (as cautiously as I could to avoid POV, all while citing episodes). I also tried to format it in the same way I've done to the previous bio pages I've edited. As usual, I recommend anyone to further discuss any other improvements that can be made (still room for plenty) or to discuss their thoughts as to why they disagree with the large edits I've been making. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 18:56, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Sexual orientation/gender identity
This needs a serious overhaul, whoever has written the bulk of these references seems unable to distinguish between gender identity and sexual orientation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.149.51 (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Neither can I. What are either of those in the first place, and what is their difference? Wilhelmina Will 18:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * One regards your own gender - ie. whether you see yourself as male or female (or even disregard such a division) - while the other regards what you find attractive in others - ie. Heterosexual, Homosexual etc. It is quite possible to be attracted to your own sex without being gender confused, it is also possible to be a 'woman trapped in a man's body' and still find women attractive.


 * Looking at the line "Cartman's possible gender confusion is most apparent in the episode "Cartman Sucks", in which Cartman takes pictures of himself with Butter's penis in his mouth to make Butters look homosexual". It might point to confusion over his sexual orientation (though frankly afaic it shows no such thing), but it certainly has no relevance to whether or not Cartman thinks he might be a girl trapped in a boy's body.

i dont feel as if this sextion can be completely answered. in no episode has it shown cartman as being straight or gay. however in the new episode, cartman is on a quest to have kyle suck his balls because of a bet in seeing a leprechaun. MCRnumberONE

It should be noted Cartman has dreams about Kyle, and while purely speculative, there's a fine line between love and hate, and he may be antisemitic to cover up for his own sexual confusion (not to mention attraction to Kyle) in much the same way Mr. Garrison covered up his own sexual confusion with Mr. Hat. -- Benjamin

Mr. Garrison would never blame anything on Mr. Hat! They're best friends! And at any rate, Mr. Hat was also gay. So, I believe, was Mr. Twig. Wilhelmina Will 00:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, Cartman has some major homosexual, or at least bi-curious tendecies, as evident in many episodes, including the recent episode Imaginationland and Imaginationland part II. In these two episodes, Cartman has Kyle sign an agreement to literally "suck his balls" if he can prove leprechauns are real. Is this not homosexual? Mizu onna sango15 02:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * And what about the episode AWESOM-O, where we learn he used to dress up as Britney Spears and make out with a cardboard cutout of Justin Timberlake? The general even says "Wow, kid, you're a little faggot!" when he sees the tape of that act! Devil Master (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually according to Butters, he still does. Philbuck222 (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Cartman is a pre-pubescent boy, despite his behavior. I think any speculation about his sexual orientation is a bit premature, when he doesn't even really have a sex drive yet. His desire for Kyle to suck his balls seems to be more about hurting Kyle than giving himself any pleasure. NobleHam 20:47, 01 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.187.128 (talk)

Age has naughtta to do with sex-drive. Depending on when you reached puberty, you could become sexually aroused by something at any time from then on. Haven't you ever heard of the Brazilian - or was she Peruvian? - princess who reached puberty at seven years old? She got aroused by a man, and ended up having a son; who was raised as her brother. Wilhelmina Will 20:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

What? Look at Kenny! Look at Clyde! They have unusuall sex drives for their age, so who's to say Cartman couldn't have one as well? And I don't think Cartman is exactlly aware of his gender, he calls himself a "boy" in some episodes but maybe he is just hoped up on female energy or something. You know how Craig likes to flip people off, but it's speculated he's not aware of the fact that he flips people off? Maybe Cartman's that way, maybe he's gay but he doesn't realize it anyway. But even if he was, I don't see anything wrong with it and all.

--Happydaysthemesong (talk) 03:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

in "Le Pettit Torrett" Cartman sais he is atracted to a girl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.191.45 (talk) 23:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Voicing
I noticed while watching Helen Keller! The Musical that around Season 4, Cartman's voice and style change significantly. The change must've happened somewhere between the end of Season 3 and the middle of Season 4. The way I see it, this is around the time his monologue tirades (marked by his "Hey! if [insert name] [insert verb] that to me" followed by his "I'll kick him in the nuts" (which also disappears)) disappear, and his "But moms!" appear. It's not really significant but it's a change I've observed that I'd just like to point out. AznWarlord (talk) 00:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

http://www.southparkstudios.com/search/?search=cartman%20voice&type=faq If you see there, there are quite a few different questions on the official South Park website regarding Cartman's voice. A character's voice changes, and it states that yes, Cartman's voice changes, but that a character's voice changes all the time in shows. Gentleheart123 (talk) 04:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Nazi Symbolism
Eric's nazi-leaning sympathies seem magnified by the fact that his name bears what I feel is more than a coincidental similarity to Nazi fighter pilot "Erich Hartmann". Surely this should be mentioned somewhere at the beginning of the article. - Sestet —Preceding comment was added at 20:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a rather large jump. I'd say that's more co-incidence than anything else. It's not like the creators made the character intentionally anti-semitic in the first few seasons, so why would they have modelled him on an obscure Nazi fighter pilot? Jeff24 (talk) 14:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

(Speculatively)Perhaps they knew about him? (Recalling)Mr. Stone is ethnically Jewish, and Erich Hartmann was a Nazi. (Theorizing)Maybe he did something significantly bad to Mr. Stone's family, and this was his way of getting back? (Upbeat and optimistic)It's not that far-fetched! (Explainatively)After all, Trey Parker got back at his dishonest ex-fiancee by naming Liane Cartman - a porn queen and prostitute - after her! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Although the names seem very similar I'm pretty certain that Erich Hartmann was NOT a nazi. See Wehrmacht. Saying all german military personel were nazis is like saying all US military personel are republicans. 68.59.179.142 (talk) 05:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * They aren't? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Believe it or not, they really aren't.68.59.179.142 (talk) 11:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I know this is off the basic topic, but I have to ask; When did that start? You are talking about the United States of America's military personel, right? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There are such things as liberal army soldiers, HOWEVER! The issue is not that republicans make up about 80+% of the army, the issue is that, Cartman was NOT named after a Nazi. First, this, Erich Hartmann, was NOT a Nazi, and was even exonerated of all crimes by the current Russian Government, and was recognized, by his former teammates who, I'm sure, had some nazis in them, wanted to clear his name of any wrongdoing, because he was not a Nazi, just a war personnel dragged into war. Secondly, Cartman has only been shown to be sympathetic to Nazis on one or two occasions (The Passion of the Jew is the only situation I can remember). Everything else is just his hatred of Kyle.
 * He did also dress up as Hitler in another epsiode (until he was given a KKK costume to wear instead) 144.136.116.163 (talk) 03:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Summary of major edit
Re: this edit:


 * Slightly altered and expanded the lead, removing ref notes and elaborating on statements in lead with sourced info elsewhere in the article, as per MoS.
 * New infobox .png image from free promotional source, as it better represents the character than the previous image, which seemed "fan-drawn; added images of Cartman buddied up with Butters and confronting Kyle, as well as Trey Parker image.
 * Replaced most episode cites with cites from secondary sources.
 * Removed "In-Universe" tag and added as much "real world" info I could find. I think it has to suffice for now because I've done an exhaustive search for weeks and have found little else in addition to what I've included here.
 * Reverted own edits which detailed his collection of stuffed animals; in hindsight, shouldn't have added them in the first place as it's rather trivial; same goes for the descriptions of his receiving a visit from his future self, the examples of how he degrades Butters, his relationship with his cat and pig, and his speech eccentricities.
 * Added new sections and rearranged article into a new format.
 * Removed link to site containing translations of his speech, as the site itself admits it relies primarily on fan submissions; OR.

I tried to make a note about his numerous popular catchphrases, the only two of which I could find any decent verifiable secondary sources on were the "Authoritah!" and "Screw you guys..." ones. It's not of the utmost importance, but finding some decent info about "Beefcake!", "No kitty, this is my pot pie!", "Whatevah! I do what I want!", etc. and expanding the article a bit by including such info would give more weight to the catchphrase portion of the "Cultural impact" section.

As always...please post gripes, thoughts, disagreements, suggestions, etc. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Voice
I think some info for how he sounds should be added, I just don't know where. For example: Cartman pronounces some words differently than others. For "authority" he says "authorit-ai", for "property" he says "propertai" and for "here" he says "hnaw". He also delays the last syllable of "hurray", so he says "hur--ray". --MasterOfTheXP (talk) 20:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like trivia to me. DP 76764  (Talk) 20:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The "property" and "here" things were in the article until recently. The "authoritah" bit is still on there because it is part of the section that explains how "respect my authoritah" became a catchphrase, but I couldn't find any sources explaining how the way he pronounces the other words are of any importance. Most popular cartoon characters have unique ways of accentuating certain words, so I agree that it's moderately trivial in the grand scheme of things. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 21:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Johnson?
Who is "Johnson," noted in the last paragraph under Cultural Impact? Unclemikejb (talk) 15:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably the author of reference 10, David Kyle Johnson? Synchronism (talk) 17:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Infobox image
This discussion on the South Park Wikiproject talk page concerns this article. Some feedback there would be appreciated. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 18:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Eric.svg File:EricCartman1.svg Any opinions on which image should be used? - SoSaysChappy (talk) 08:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't really know how to use Wikipedia so I am putting this here. I think the article needs to mention that Cartman (other than Mr. Macky) is the only character that speaks Spanish. This can be seen both in D-Yikes and My future Self and Me. I believe it is in some other episodes as well —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.196.103 (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

SVG character images
Please see this discussion at WikiProject South Park regarding the use of hand-made SVG images vs. official images. —Noisalt (talk) 20:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Dissertation on Cartman's voice
Hi, I found a paper called "An analysis of phonology and humor in Trey Parker and Matt Stone’s South Park". I think we can use it a source to discuss the unique inflections of Cartman's voice. (It's a good, fun read too; Cartman fans should check it out.) indopug (talk) 03:53, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Catch Phrases
Cartman often says "seriously" and "seriously, you guys, seriously!" more than the other kids. Should be noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.64.235 (talk) 07:13, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Cartman's Mum
I was looking back at the old Southparkstudios.com FAQ archives when I saw this:

April 19, 2001

Q. - can you make cartman find his mom? A. - Mrs. Cartman is Cartman's mom and dad... she's a hermafilite

Could someone edit the article, I would but I don't want to mess it up.

Channel e-d

Aha! I knew that site could never be trusted! Dr. Mephesto even said that Liane had sex with other women, and one became pregnant with Cartman. It's either Mayor McDaniels, Mrs. Sheila Broflovski, or Ms. Veronica Crabtree. Liane Cartman is not really his Mom! She's just a Dad!!! Ha! Wilhelmina Will June 24th, 2007. —Preceding comment was added at 07:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

In Cartmans mom is a dirty **** there was a long list of suggestions of cartmans father. this episode was dragged over into two episodes in which in the end cartman is to realise that his mom is his dad aswell


 * Yeah, it's stated pretty clearly in the episode concerning the issue that his mom is in fact his dad, and that his mom is someone else entirely. Who his mom really is has never been explored and probably never will be.24.74.1.139 12:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it was that his mom is also his dad. 24.21.10.30 (talk) 20:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Cartmans mom is actually Sheila Broflovski. Trey thought about a season finale that revealed that Sheila Broflovski gave Cartman up at birth and then adopted Ike in order to "balance things up" later on. It was supposed to deleiver two things: One, Cartman would be have Jew. And two, Cartman would be Kyles half brother(twin?).

That's also not physically possible, seeing as Kyle was born in may and Eric in July of the same year, and Gerald is Kyle's dad and Eric father is Liane.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 02:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It's more likely that cartman's mom is a surrogate mother. Dr. Mephisto said that hermaphrodites couldn't give birth... which I took to mean they couldn't seminate people either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.64.235 (talk) 07:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Tonsil Trouble/Cartman's treatment of Kyle
Re:

OK, I certainly agree that the addition of saying that Cartman goes beyond just "insulting" Kyle and exposes him to other harm is a good one; the article did lack this info which has certainly become a common part in the show. But including this aspect into the normal flow of the prose of the section would be better than simply listing one example of when this has happened (i.e. the "Tonsil Trouble" episode), so I consolidated the new edit with what was already in place.

The other "episode examples" in the section are intended to explain an overall view of his role in the show ("Breast Cancer Show Ever" to explain how all the other student characters feel about Cartman) and to supplement the prose that states that the Cartman/Kyle rivalry eventually boiled over to a point where a three-episode trilogy revolved entirely around it ("Imaginationland").

To use one episode to entirely explain what has happened in numerous other episodes (off the top of my head, I can remember episodes in which Cartman tries to beat Kyle to death with a bat, holds him at gunpoint, suggests that he be killed, etc.) would be relying too much of one primary source (see WP:WAF and WP:UNDUE) and to include all examples would be example-farming that treads into fancruft territory. So I used the source that accompanied the mention of the HIV infection and left it in as a source to the statement that Cartman is indeed known to put Kyle in harm's way from time to time. The best thing to do would be to find more secondary sources pertaining to other episodes in which Cartman does just that and include them as well. Cheers. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 07:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Blackwater scandal
For those of you familiar with this story, what's the best way to work it into the article (if you, like me, feel like the article should not avoid it). Appropriate for the "Cultural impact" section? -  SoSaysChappy   (talk)  08:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Cultural Impact (ala 'the sourced trivia section') is probably the best place, imho. DP 76764  (Talk) 15:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Cats
I added the following paragraph to "Personality and traits":


 * Altruism by Cartman is usually revealed as self-serving, with one exception. In the series 12 episode Major Boobage cats are illegal and will be destroyed; Cartman is unable to resist sheltering them. Kyle asks if Cartman sees any parallel between the destruction of cats through no fault of their own and (by pointed implication) Cartman's own antisemitic prejudices, but Cartman denies seeing a parallel to any other matter.


 * 

It's significant because as best I can tell, this is the only episode in all 13 years that shows a genuine altruistic or sympathetic aspect of Cartman's personality, where Cartman does something potentially dangerous to himself to help others without seeking reward, and also because its pointed parallel to World War 2 (as shown by the background music and last few seconds of that episode). The addition was removed without discussion as OR, which looks incorrect. Pasting here for opinions. FT2 (Talk 01:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * How is this not WP:OR? You're drawing a conclusion (one of the definitions of OR) and not citing any sources to back it up.  Also, WP:BRD doesn't need any discussion until after the R, which is where we are now.  DP 76764  (Talk) 05:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The episode itself is a source for the fact. A user wishing to verify the statement that episode X shows a character behaving in manner Y can verify it by watching that episode. A user wishing to verify the statement that this is exceptional in the series may watch the series and note there are no other clear exceptions. There is no OR, and neither is synthesis taking place - the observation is not being used to conclude anything. It is simply stated as a verifiable fact about the personality- and behavior-related matters portrayed in the series.


 * See also the essay WP:NOTOR which makes the same point: A book, short story, film, or other work of fiction is a primary source for any article or topic regarding that work. Anything that can be observed by a reasonable person simply by reading the work itself, without interpretation, is not original research, but is reliance upon a primary source.


 * As for BRD - indeed, asking for opinions is part of discussion. FT2 (Talk 10:34, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Any disagreement? FT2 (Talk 14:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Kind of a gray area. The wording of the original edit would comply with WP:NOTOR save for the "pointed implication" part. That might give a slight indication of a personal interpretation of a primary source, but if it's agreed upon that what was said can be easily deduced "by a reasonable person simply..." then I would not object. I would suggest, however, re-wording such an edit so as not to make it appear that so much weight is being given to an exception of his behavior. To me, it seems like a long, fancy way of saying "Cartman was nice once." Add more secondary (and primary) info describing his "self-serving" behavior, then tack on the cat sheltering bit, explaining how the "180" was so significant that an entire subplot to an episode revolved around it. ...and sources wouldn't hurt. -  SoSaysChappy   (talk)  07:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The "pointed implication" to antisemitism is fairly obvious to any viewer. For example the Jewish music in the background any time cat rescuing is referenced (unlike any other episode); the references to hiding in the attic and writing a diary (Ann Frank); the rather blatant Jewish woman who asks for a cat to be hidden; and Kyle asking at the end if this all doesn't remind Cartman of something. The significance of the episode isn't that "Cartman was nice once", but that it shows the only point in the series to date where he visibly cares for something or someone other than himself. FT2 (Talk 13:43, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


 * As I said, it would be best to explain this within some context. I suppose "Cartman was nice once" was an over-generalization ...add some context about his trend of self-serving behavior, then mention this episode as a significant exception. Although I don't see the need for such an in-depth description of the references and allusions to Anne Frank, etc., because this would be weighted towards the narrative of the episode and have less to do about the character of Cartman (It would work very well on the "Major Boobage" episode though). Also, I would tread lightly in saying this was the only time he cared for something or someone other than himself. I would say, however, that this was the most significant coverage of such an instance. A case can be made for him selflessly wanting to help Stan's sister in "Cat Orgy", Chef in "The Return of Chef", Butters in "Butters' Bottom Bitch", Starvin' Marvin in "Starvin Marvin in Space", his cellmate in "Cartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000", the whale in "Free Willzyx", etc. -  SoSaysChappy   (talk)  08:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I probably could have worded it tighter. How does this wording work: "Cartman is usually portrayed as a self-centered individual. It is rare that his actions are not directed by a selfish motive or plan, bigotry, or revenge, and in such episodes, peer pressure, coercion or common goals are often responsible. In one episode genuine emotional feeling and altruistic behavior at cost to himself is shown, where Cartman protects cats against law enforcement despite risk to himself. (...)". Better approach? FT2 (Talk 13:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed! And I'm liking how this info can potentially open up the possibility of finding some sources about what M&T have to say about exactly why they make him this way. Already saw an article recently where they describe him as doing and saying things they would never say or do themselves. Hopefully more can be found and worked in. New season starts tomorrow. Beware the vandals. -  SoSaysChappy   (talk)  06:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Jakovasaurus is another example of Cartman genuinely caring for something, could anyone note that as well? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 22:46, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was making a case against the "cat hiding" being the only instance he cared for something. It would be trivial to simply list any or all of these instances. -  SoSaysChappy   (talk)  01:41, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

His New Real Name
Since Eric's father is revealed to be Scot Teddermen, shouldn't his name be changed to Eric Theodore Tenorman Cartman ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.164.224.193 (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Nope. Liane was never married to Jack Tenorman. She never took his last name. Her last name is Cartman, thus so is Eric's. -  SoSaysChappy   (talk)  09:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * When was this revealed? Shouldn't the article state this? 98.198.83.12 (talk) 06:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Episode "201". And it's already in the article.  DP 76764  (Talk) 15:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Must have slipped past me. 98.198.83.12 (talk) 07:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Cartman's age
Wouldn't Cartman be at least 549 years old after the Go God Go episode in which Eric freezes himself, is unfrozen 540 years later, and the sent back to 2006? Jecowa (talk) 20:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That's true, I'll find a way to mention that. ArtistScientist (talk) 09:34, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Self-hating Jew?
Isn't there a hidden irony on self-hating jews throughout serial? One of Cartman's mom pretendents was, remember, Sheila Broflovski. Are there any discussions on that theme? -- 195.50.1.122 (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Cartman is not a self-hating Jew because Cartman is not Jewish - he is Roman Catholic 202.81.18.30 (talk) 04:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Non-practising Roman Catholic; he never really cares about religion outside of using it against Kyle or to acheive his goals. --Simpsons fan 66 11:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

No he is a practising Catholic as he often seen at church with his mother, he just isn't very devout. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.62.83 (talk) 07:50, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Anti PC?
Not really. He blames the jews for what happened to Jesus. It is my honest opinion that Pontius Pilate had the guts to make his own decissions. The Emporor would allow only tough Civil Servants for the job as a Guvernor in this part of the Roman Empire. Many theologist professors, be they Irish, Latin American or other types of catholics, seem to all say that Jesus was just another prisoner. Only later would Pontius Pilate discover that it was just not another day at the office.

I am not an Afrikander, but Cartman is more PC than all else. He even treats Mel Gibson as a God.--83.108.28.91 (talk) 00:14, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Categories
Well...here's why I think the "Fictional murderers", "Fictional criminals", and "Fictional Cryo..." categories should be removed.

1) Is he really a murderer? Yes, he once killed Kenny (by accident, with a frying pan) while under the influence of Ritalin. And we all know about what used to happen to Kenny each week. He killed the "messenger boy" in a hallucinatory flashback...so does that really count? And then there's the whole Scott Tenorman deal. Technically, he didn't commit the murder. Yes, in reality he would consequentially be held liable somehow...but it's South Park, not reality. And yes, he always suggests to the other boys about murdering Kyle, and murdering his mom, but has he ever done it? Nope. The article even mentions a quote from Trey Parker about how Cartman is capable of anything "short of murder".

2) Criminal? Well, I don't see it that way. Common mischief, maybe. And the more serious acts he commits are, like I mentioned, handled in such a way within the South Park universe that they never have any serious legal consequence. The times they do (such as going to juvenile hall for the "hate crime" on Token) are, to me, spoofs of the overreactions we sometimes have to certain crimes.

3) The whole frozen in ice thing is technically true, but it happened in one episode. The instance doesn't play an integral part to knowing about anything else that occurs in other episodes, unlike, say, it being an important thing to know about Frey in Futurama. If you include this, you might as well create categories such as "Fictional characters who have been in a coma", "...fell off a roof", "...been to outer space", "...Christian band members", "...little league baseball players", etc. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, the frozen thing can be taken out with no problem. The criminal thing is easily applied, as Cartman is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder (scott tenorman), and about the murder, I guess it's admissable that conspiracy doesn't technically count. Oh, and more about the criminal thing, the false police reports he would have fiiled when he was "psychic." I suppose you can remove the murder thingif you really want to, but if other users call for its restoration, I suggest we leave it. Tealwisp (talk) 03:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, don't you have to be convicted before being classified a criminal? DP 76764  (Talk) 04:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A criminal is someone who breaks the law, a convict is convicted. Madoff is certainly a criminal, even if he hasn't been convicted, just like the original Ponzi.  Tealwisp (talk) 05:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So much for 'innocent until proven guilty' ;) item 2  DP 76764  (Talk) 05:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, I think it's suitable to leave "Fictional criminals" on here while the other two go. Readers of the article and the main South Park article will hopefully get a full understanding of how it's one big spoof and will relate Cartman's activities with the context of the show. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 07:37, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

That funfair bit was a huge misconduct as where maintanance is concerned, where Kenny "Always dies". Not to mention unpaid taxes.--83.108.28.91 (talk) 00:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Age
I can't find anywhere how old is here in this article. It should be added that he is 9 years old. --Catalaalatac (talk) 01:01, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

el gordo???
Why does it say «Eric el gordo Cartman» in the Box on the left? I know south park pretty well and i've never heard of it before. I did a quick Google-search, but i haven't found any reference to this on non-spanish websites.--84.227.96.171 (talk) 15:26, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be what's called vandalism; it happens sometimes. It has been fixed and thank you for bring it to attention.  DP 76764  (Talk) 16:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Cartman's "conversion" to Judiasm
Please discuss if and how it is appropriate to cover Cartman's conversion to Judiasm from the episode "Jewpacabra". -- The Red Pen of Doom  16:42, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have removed that because South Park is full of twists like that which turn out to be throwaway jokes. If it's mentioned again in future episodes it will make sense to put it back. Mezigue (talk) 20:03, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

cartman became a jew in the episode Jewpacabra
--Ronnie42 (talk) 15:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)Near end of the episode of Jewpacabra.

Not true! At the start of the very next episode, "Butterballs", he is seen eating pepperoni pizza; even if the pepperoni is beef, he is also drinking milk, and it is a clear violation of the law to not eat the meat and milk of an animal in the same meal. Brydustin (talk) 23:44, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Sexual abuse
"Cartman has also had brushes with sexual abuse. In the episode, "Weight Gain 4000", his friends talked about a huge rainbow they saw. Cartman replied that he hates rainbows, and that he explains that "You'll just be sitting there, minding your own business, and then they come marching in, crawl up your leg and start to bite your ass, and you'll be like, AY, GET OUTTA MY ASS, YOU STUPID RAINBOWS!" It was obvious that Cartman was explaining that a bunch of homosexuals were hitting on him."

How is that obviously anything? Unless someone can cite that that means he was hit on by gay men, I think it should be removed because I think that's pure speculation... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.96.242.143 (talk) 02:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

It ain't speculation, it's original research. Cartman was referring to hemorroids when he said that. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

And being a kid, he would of confused the words 'hemorroids' and 'homosexual' as a malapropism. Makes sense enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.64.235 (talk) 07:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Also:

"Also in the episode "Miss Teacher Bangs A Boy" Cartman starts a posse in which he calls a girl there his bitch, although nothing sexual is implied between them."

^What's that have to do with sexual abuse at all? In fact, what's that have to do with anything? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.96.242.143 (talk) 02:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

In the Episode "The Simpsons Did It" Cartman says he got some more "SeaMen" (semen) from a guy in an alley that told him to close his eyes and suck it out of a hose. An assumption can be made that even though he may not have known what he was doing, Cartman gave the man oral sex. - Sabi
 * It's not an assumption. He gave the man oral sex. Whoever refuses to get the joke, especially such a transparent one, is probably not a valid contributor to this (or any other) article. Drone2Gather (talk) 16:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

In "Awesome-O", a TV executive asks Cartman (who is dressed as a robot) if he is a 'pleasure model'. Cartman runs from the room screaming, implying that he has been somehow sexually abused by the man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.190.241 (talk)
 * "implying ..." see WP:OR DP 76764  (Talk) 03:58, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

The origin of Cartman habla Español
While I have yet to attempt to track down a solid resource, I've been watching the early episodes of the series, and the episode Rainforest Shmainforest contains what I can conclude is the first allusion to Cartman being able to speak Spanish prior to the episode mentioned in the article (My Future Self n' Me). Cartman raises his hand whenever the choir director is having trouble communicating to the president of Costa Rica and asks the kids if any of them speak Spanish before Mr. Mackey catches up to them. Obviously it's subtle, but I think it warrants mention because it's the earliest indication of a fairly important character trait.

I'm fairly sure I recall these not being acceptable sources to use on Wikipedia, but here's the script and it can be seen in the episode itself. ∆ nbmatt 13:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't really warrant mention. It is not a fairly important trait, it's a running gag at best. Mezigue (talk) 13:20, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * It's certainly important as it has played an integral part in several episodes (the ones mentioned as well as D-Yikes! and Probably. If it's not important it shouldn't have been mentioned in the first place, right? ∆ nbmatt 13:26, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

General tone and quality
I've just gotta say that this article reads so much better than many of the other modern animation articles on Wikipedia. So often, these things become clogged with fancruft, as the author tries to cram every tiny detail from years of episodes into one article. Or the tone is not encyclopedic (last I checked, the article on King of the Hill used phrases like "I'll tell you what" outside of the context of a quote by the character. This seems to be a well-written piece. Kudos. user:Purple Chez 5/21/14 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.118.65.34 (talk) 18:34, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Flawless in German?
At first the article said that he mispronounced German, now it says he is flawless when speaking it. All I know is that he mispronounced Reich. Just how many mistakes did he make while speaking the language? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.98.75 (talk) 03:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

- His German is horrible, change this section please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.49.222.232 (talk) 19:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC) His german is mediorce, he can speak it okay but he pronounces some things wrong. And it's not him, it's his voice actor Trey Parker. --Happydaysthemesong (talk) 03:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * some things wrong - it's not at all German it is gibberish using some German words 06:34, 19 April 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.172.96.8 (talk)

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This is irrelevant
This paragraph, under cultural impact, should be removed:

"When the death of Mary Kay Bergman happened, many fans guessed that was the reason behind South Park dealing with real adult situations in the early 2000s in episodes such as Cartman Joins Nambla, World Wide Recorder Concert, and many others. The loss of countless characters' roles (like Chef's songs, Wendy getting puked on by Stan, and the deaths of Kenny) can be contributed to this factor during the period of December 1999 – 2000. Trey and Matt have responded differently to the show ever since.[67]"

Although this would be topical on the South Park franchise page, it has absolutely nothing to do with Eric Cartman. Please delete this paragraph.

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 * ✅ you're right, it has no relevance here, so I've removed that accordingly. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits</b>) 19:18, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2021
The edit I would like to make is on Eric Cartmens Family. I was watching Season 2 Episode 2 titled "Cartmen's mom is still a dirty slut" at the end of the episode they reveal that Cartmens mom is a hermaphrodite and is also Cartmens father. Jayraddish (talk) 01:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The season 14 episode "201" reveals that was just a lie told to cover up how Jack Tenorman was his father. Liane is actually just Eric's mother. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 02:47, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2021
-TEXT: In later seasons, particularly after the events of "Scott Tenorman Must Die", Cartman begins to exhibit extremely psychopathic, sociopathic and manipulative behavior, and is also depicted as highly intelligent, able to execute morally appalling plans and business ideas to get success, but most of his plans usually ends up in failure and humiliation due to someone (usually either Stan or Kyle, or both) or something (e.g. a myrrh record award in "Christian Rock Hard") that ruins his schemes.

-EDITs: “ends” to “end”, & “to get success” should be changed to “with success” for reason of efficiency and poignancy. Pbj11 (talk) 05:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 06:56, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Guys
Guys 72.83.128.200 (talk) 17:43, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

I Can't See Cartman's Comparisons With Archie Bunker To Be As Real As Parker And Stone Claim They Are
He even likes the fart humor of Terrance and Phillip, something that would definitely not qualify as an Archie Bunker trademark.Speakfor (talk) 23:55, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I have also come across his appearance with Starvin Marvin which did not show much of a bigoted side. I can't see too much honesty in Trey Parker, Matt Stone's hype of Cartman being a kid version of Archie Bunker. Speakfor (talk) 00:45, 30 September 2022 (UTC) Norman Lear's hype of the claim is also questionable, as his son Benjamin is a staunch South Park fan. It can even be alleged that any hype of Cartman as a "little Archie Bunker" may be part an effort to please Benjamin.Speakfor (talk) 00:56, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2023
In early season 23 Eric converts to Orthodox Judaism, starting in the episode "Mexican Joker." It's further stated in the episode "SHOTS!!!." That Cartman is an Orthodox Jew. 166.199.51.45 (talk) 21:45, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2023
occupation = Student Department of Interior Rabbi (original timeline) Homeless (revised timeline) 63.124.6.16 (talk) 21:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2023
Add his religion to the infobox, which is Roman Catholicism (source: https://southpark.cc.com/wiki/Eric_Cartman ) Just something I feel should be added KraccBaccIsVeryAwesome (talk) 03:51, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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