Talk:Eric Dill

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This redirect is up for discussion at RfD at Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 July 22. Please add the rfd tag to it.  Big Nate 37 (T) 15:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

And once again, I request sysop assistance. The page currently reads:
 * 1) redirect The Click Five

I would like it to be changed to:


 * 1) redirect The Click Five

Thanks.  Big Nate 37 (T) 22:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I made that change per your request and the suggestion during the RfD. Hopefully other similar redirects can use it in the future. Cool Hand Luke 23:13, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Eric Dill's page should not be redirected to The Click Five. Eric Dill left the band in 2006 and has his own solo career now. Eric Dill should have his own page that is not redirected to his former band so people can post information to follow his solo career. JohnnieYoung (talk) 19:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you have reliable sources that can satisfy WP:BIO? This is currently a redirect because previous incarnations of this article failed to establish independant notability. Cool Hand Luke 23:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, Eric Dill is the original lead singer of The Click Five who sang on their best-selling first album but he left the band in 2006 and now has a solo recording career and is much more well known than the current lead singer Kyle Patrick who sings on The Click Five's lesser-selling second album, but for whatever reason Kyle Patrick has his own Wikipedia page which does not redirect to The Click Five page whereas Eric Dill who doesn't want to be associated with his former band is automatically redirected to The Click Five page. It seems counterintuitive to have this happen. As for some sources of information, you can read Eric Dill's latest bio and news and listen to his solo songs at his Official Website http://www.ericdill.com and his MySpace page http://www.myspace.com/ericdill Additionally, Eric Dill has also embarked on an acting career and recently starred in the teen comedy "Taking 5". Eric Dill's IMDB acting credit page can be found at this link http://us.imdb.com/name/nm2444143/ Also, here is a link to a recent interview that a magazine did with Eric Dill about his solo career http://starrymag.com/content.asp?ID=2157  So, taking all this into account, it doesn't seem that Eric Dill the solo singer and actor should be denied his own Wikipedia page and only have his name redirect people to a band that he isn't even associated with any longer. Thank you for your consideration. JohnnieYoung 07:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The consensus at the RfD was that he has no independent notability. I think that's still true; a one-entry imdb page and self-created myspace page do nothing to establish note. Feel free to ask for this redirect to be unprotected at Requests for page protection. Add and your reasoning on a new line. Cool Hand Luke 21:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The Blade of the Northern Lights - continued harassment
Please ban user "The Blade of the Northern Lights" from continuing to redirect and harass the state of Eric Dill's Wikipedia page. The page needs to be unlocked and reverting back to before this users meddling and obviously ill-intended "edits" of this page. Thank you InfoProtector7 (talk) 01:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)InfoProtector7

Edit request on 2 November 2012
Dear established Wikipedia users,

I would like to resolve an issue related to Eric Dill’s Wikipedia Page. As you probably know, the issue concerns the current status of his page which redirects to the page of the Click Five.

The purpose of this statement is to request the moderators of Eric Dill’s page (1) to stop redirecting his page to the page of Click Five and (2) allow Eric Dill to have his own independent page. In particular, this statement requests reverting the Eric Dill’s page to the configuration shown as edited by 198.228.216.19 (talk) at 19:59, 20 August 2012. A link to that version can be found at the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eric_Dill&oldid=508340488. This version best reflects the current biography of Eric Dill.

Below, numerous evidences proving that Eric Dill is a solo artist are presented. For your convenience, there are stated in separate paragraphs.

• Eric Dill has a solo record entitled “War with the Wolves”. It has been already broadcasted at radio. In order to gain access to the youtube video containing the song, please visit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd8zt0_YI0c. The song is also uploaded at the official website of Eric Dill http://www.ericdill.com/. The song hit #100 on the Top 40 Mediabase chart. A screenshot of the chart can be found here: http://twitter.com/Howiewoodpromo/status/263745506226880513/photo/1/large. Mediabase is a music industry service that monitors radio station airplay in 180 US and Canadian markets. Mediabase publishes music charts and data based on the most played songs on terrestrial and satellite radio, and provides in-depth analytical tools for radio and record industry professionals. Mediabase charts and airplay data are used on many popular radio countdown shows and televised music awards programs. Music charts are published in both domestic and international trade publications and newspapers worldwide. Mediabase is a division of Clear Channel Communications, Inc.

• The New Solo album produced by Eric dill is coming out on 20 of November. It will be recorded by Vigil Records and distributed by CD Baby. A link to the album can be found at the following link: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ericdill. In this regard, it should be noted that the description of the album published by CD Baby notes that Eric Dill is a solo actor. In particular, the description states that “As the original lead singer of The Click Five (2004-2007), Eric left the group to pursue the creation of his own music just after filming the movie "Taking 5". In early 2007 he wrote "No Surprise" which later became the first single on Daughtry's sophomore album "Leave This Town". His first collection of 4 songs (first of 3 to be released in 2012) was recorded at Barefoot Studios in Los Angeles, CA. With Producer Matt Radosevich and Mastering by Eric Valentine, a sound was created to capture what others have done well, while adding the distinct flavor of Eric's delivery and style. Major influences include: U2, Nine Inch Nails, Savage Garden, Our Lady Peace and 30 Seconds to Mars.”

• In an interview published at http://johnsimondaily.com/2012/05/a-conversation-with-eric-dill-officialedill/, the interviewer notes that Eric Dill works on a solo project.

• In an interview for WordMonitor.TV available at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6s9HkmbjlU&feature=related, Eric Dill is presented as “Singer/Songwriter - Formerly of the Click Five".

• In an interview for the Commet available at http://thecomet.com/posts/video_the_weekly_comet_eric_dill_music_liza_richardson, Eric Dill is presented as “Eric Dill is the special musical guest. The former lead singer of the Click Five talks about why he decided to go solo with his new EP “Wherever You Are” and his forthcoming full-length album.”

• In an interview for Anti-Music available at http://www.antimusic.com/news/12/April/03Singled_Out-_Eric_Dill_The_Click_Five.shtml, Eric Dill is presented as “Today Eric Dill, the former frontman for The Click Five, tells us about the song "Wherever You Are" from his brand new solo EP "Wherever You Are".”

• An article in Teen.Com states that “Eric Dill from the pop group The Click Five, (does this song ring a bell, you guys?) but now the lead vocalist is on his own with a solo career”. The article is available at: http://www.teen.com/2012/04/23/music/new-music/eric-dill-the-click-give-wherever-you-are-single/#ixzz2B4112Rwa

• Eric Dill has recently given a solo performance at Gene Simmons and Wolfgang puck's Rocktoberfest which was also well covered. Text and images about his solo performance at the Rocktoberfest can be found at: http://www.gettyimages.be/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=154344172&EditorialProduct=Entertainment&Language=nl, http://redrugreview.blogspot.be/2012/10/eric-dill-will-perform-at-rocktoberfest.html, http://www.zvents.com/los_angeles_ca/events/show/287539565-platinum-recording-rock-artist-eric-dill-performing-new-music-at-la-rocktoberfest-october-17th.

• In order to find more information about the solo career of Eric Dill, please visit https://www.google.be/search?q=eric+dill+solo+musician&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a.

Dwdimov (talk) 11:51, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to take a position for or against your request, but I will say that the issue is not whether Mr. Dill is a solo artist as it sounds like you are assuming. The issue is whether Mr. Dill meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for inclusion independent of his association with The Click Five. In order to do that, he must have been the topic of non-trivial coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. The version you want this page reverted to does not contain that, and that is why it was reverted to a redirect.
 * I will say that the sources you have provided have made the strongest argument thus far in favor of a stand-alone article on Mr. Dill. I will leave the edit request open for other users to comment, as I personally don't like converting redirects into articles when they have had such a tendentious history of edit warring. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:28, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I would have to say not done for now. Many of the sources provided are to twitter/facebook/sources associated with the subject. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 00:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

One of the notability criterions (Criterion Number 11) for musician published at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music) states that a musician may be notable if he has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.

In this regard, I would like to note that the solo songs of Eric Dill “Wherever you are” and “War With the Wolves”, “No Surprise”, “Mercy at Midnight”, “The Girl Always Wins”, and “I will Come Back to You” are included in the Last.Fm’s list of songs. In order to see the list of Dill’s songs, please visit http://www.last.fm/music/Eric+Dill/+tracks.

Last.fm is a music website, founded in the United Kingdom in 2002. It offers a personalized radio. It claimed 30 million active users in March 2009.On 30 May 2007, CBS Interactive acquired Last.fm for UK£140m (US$280m).Using a music recommender system called "Audioscrobbler", Last.fm Radio builds a detailed profile of each user's musical taste by recording details of the songs the user listens to, either from Internet radio stations, or the user's computer or many portable music devices. This information is transferred ("scrobbled") to Last.fm's database either via the music player itself (or via a plugin installed into the user's music player. The data is then displayed on the user's profile page and also compiled to create reference pages for individual artists. By April 2011 Last.fm reported more than 50 billion scrobbles. The service is free for users in the UK, US, and Germany; users in other countries require a subscription to use the radio service (€3.00 per month after a 50 track free trial).

Moreover, the song “War with the Wolves” is on 50th position in the Mix-93 Playlist For 2012-10-29 of KLTZ Radio having quarters in Glasgow, Montana. The station is owned by Glasgow Broadcasting Corporation. For more information, please visit: http://www.kltz.com/php/mixplaylist.php.

It should be also added that Radio & Records (http://cclamp.radioandrecords.com/ ), the preeminent information company serving the key decisionmakers in the radio and record industries, noted that “War with the Wolves” was broadcasted on WQPO-FM RADIO. See http://cclamp.radioandrecords.com/Playlists_EM/GetStationPlaylist.asp?Company=1006833&Format=1&FromListOfStations=True

WQPO (http://www.q101online.com ) is a Contemporary Hit Radio formatted broadcast radio station licensed to Harrisonburg, Virginia, serving the Central Shenandoah Valley. WQPO is owned and operated by M. Belmont Verstandig, Inc. WQPO went on the air in 1946 as WSVA-FM, it was the third FM on in the state. It was automated with a variety of music formats as from the start. The last before changing call letters was "Country Sunshine". Call letters changed in 1972 to WQPO, Stereo 101 - using Drake Chenault's Solid Gold format (4 reels and a bunch of cart decks) - a solid sound, but FM had not taken off yet. Around 1982, then-owner Gilmore Broadcasting decided to try to make money with it, taking out the automated format and hired a full staff and hosted an Adult Contemporary format. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwdimov (talk • contribs) 14:48, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

At present, the fans of Mr. Dill are misled by his website indicating that he is a member of a band. In this regard, because the issue is urgent, I kindly request for your quick response. Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwdimov (talk • contribs) 14:56, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Last.fm is not a national radio service. What the policy refers to is a company such as Clear Channel Media that runs radio band music broadcasting services from radio towers in real life (not internet radio). Also note the word may be notable. May. Not is. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 19:26, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

What about the other two radios? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwdimov (talk • contribs) 19:31, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I understand that, pursuant to the Criterion Number 17, a song rotated in a national radio MAY lead to classifying the singer as notable. However, in the present case, we have a person whose song has been broadcasted in at least two national radios (mentioned above).

There is no doubt that a person whose song is currently broadcasted through major national radios should be included in the criteria as notable. This is because the person has clearly shown that he is not an amateur, but a professional singer who has a song broadcasted in major radio stations having traditions in the United States. As mentioned above, WQPO went on the air in 1946 as WSVA-FM and it was the third FM radio in the state – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WQPO. KZLT operates in Montana since 1954 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLTZ. The Notability Criteria mentioned in Wikipedia aim to differentiate notable in the society persons deserving a Wikipedia page from persons who, at the present moment, are not notable. In this connection, it should be pointed out that, not considering a person whose songs have been broadcasted in national radios having more than half a century tradition in the broadcasting industry may have terrible consequences for (1) the listeners and (2) the singer. Below, these consequences are explained in more detail starting from the consequences to the listeners. A song broadcasted in two stations having long traditions will certainly attract thousands of curious listeners willing to know who the singer is. When they look at Wikipedia, they will find that he is a member of a band. But he is not. This will create confusion amongst the listeners. They may ask the following questions: “Why does he not have an independent page? Probably because he is not notable? But he is broadcasted on the radio 5 times a day?”.

The main purpose of Wikipedia is to help people. With regard to pages of musicians, Wikipedia strives to strike the balance between informing people about famous musicians and not putting information that is not so important for the society. However, when a singer has songs broadcasted in the radio, the readers should know about his success. They should know about his fame. Moreover, the reputation of the singer will be harmed if he is still connection to his previous band. This is because people will not be able to identify him as a solo artist and buy his solo albums and songs which are already available on the market ( http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ericdill ), but will identify him as a part of the band and buy the albums of the band.

It is your chance, dear moderators, to show that your care about the readers of Wikipedia and you care about the right of a singer to have his individual success reflected in his independent page.

I believe in Wikipedia and I believe that we will solve this issue as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwdimov (talk • contribs) 21:09, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Note
None of the above addresses the reason I redirected this, which is that it's an unsourced biography of a living person. Therefore, it can stay a redirect until someone gets a source; however, I'm in no way convinced he meets notability guidelines. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 14:28, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree. All that's needed to have an article on this guy are some reliable sources. Nataev (talk) 10:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikified

 * The article has been wikified, later will go throught out the references to access and assess the reliability and sources. Justice007 (talk) 18:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)