Talk:Ernest Belfort Bax

considered the father of the first wave of the men’s rights movement
The first external link goes to [] where the 'About' section claims that As the first major spokesman on these issues Bax is considered the father of the first wave of the men’s rights movement. I couldn't find anything to back up this claim. I realise the site in question is an advocacy site, so of course I'm looking for more independent sources on this statement. --MatthiasGutfeldt (talk) 09:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah - this whole thing seems rather dodgy. The "Men's Rights Movement" only emerges in the late 20th century, so why is a late _19th_ century Marxist being linked to these pages? --134.153.210.216 (talk) 21:57, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

NPOV Dispute
This article is rife with errors in grammar, spelling, and competent diction.

On the other hand, its citations are sparse, beyond the pale of what users recognize as Wikipedia's standard. Articles of this caliber have the potential to serve as a detriment to Wikipedia's credibility.

There is also evidence of an apparent niche agenda, observable from the tone of this article. The depiction of the subject figure with neutrality has been compromised; his motives and actions appear to be largely speculated upon (with few to no citations) in order to denigrate women and to question their right to suffrage.

This article's content is in great need of revision, whether to refute or deny its historical accuracy and objectivity. It is linked to an American hate group (AVFM), and suffers from a distinct absence of citations in the presence of bold claims.

Thank you for your time and consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smokypaprika (talk • contribs) 00:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Smokypaprika wrote: "Citations are sparse... [and] The depiction of the subject figure with neutrality has been compromised; his motives and actions appear to be largely speculated upon (with few to no citations) in order to denigrate women and to question their right to suffrage."


 * Unfortunately Bax was both anti-suffragist and an anti-feminist, so those mentions in the article are completely correct. It would be a stretch, however, to claim his goal was to denigrate women in general, and Bax himself stated that he made, "no impeachment of women in general.” [No Misogyny But True Equality - 1887]
 * As for your concern that there are not enough citations, all claims in the entry appear to be cited. 124.170.66.64 (talk) 03:00, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I can give you a very quick and obvious example of a claim that is not cited:
 * "In 1880 at the age of 21, Bax began studying philosophy in Germany, beginning with Kant and Hegel. With the single exception of his friend Lord Haldane, no British thinker of his generation had learnt German philosophy in Germany, nor were his British compatriots as saturated in the writings of Kant, Fichte and Hegel as he was."
 * Not only is this not cited, but there's a contradiction: if he were born in 1854, he definitely would not be 21 in 1880. 66.162.183.2 (talk) 13:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Removed With the single exception of his friend Lord Haldane, no British thinker of his generation had learnt German philosophy in Germany, nor were his British compatriots as saturated in the writings of Kant, Fichte and Hegel as he was. - uncited, unlikely and WP:PUFFERY. I'm not even sure how any biographer would even go about trying to prove such a statement. They would be much more likely to state "he was well versed in the writings of Kant, Fichte and Hegel". --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 03:01, 13 May 2016 (UTC)