Talk:Ernest Groth/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Sarastro1 (talk) 21:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Generally, a good article and quite easy to understand. However, I have only a passing understanding of baseball and I struggled to follow some of the movements and relationships between teams, as well as some baseball terms.

Lead
 * "He played for the Cleveland Indians during the 1947 Cleveland Indians season and the 1948 Cleveland Indians season and the Chicago White Sox during the 1949 Chicago White Sox season.": This sounds a little clumsy as the team names are repeating. Would it be better to say "He played for the Cleveland Indians during the 1947 and 1948 seasons and the Chicago White Sox during the 1949 season.?
 * I'm assuming four career games means he played four games in his career?
 * Could ERA be linked for those of us who only have a rough idea of what it means?
 * Fixed. Yes to the second point; he played in four games at the major league level. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear

Early life and minor leagues
 * What is American Legion Baseball? How close to the top level is it?
 * "...guest of the Cleveland Indians..." What is this?
 * "Groth spent the 1942 season with the Appleton Papermakers of the Wisconsin State League, the Indians' D-Class affiliate, and played alongside future teammate Mike Garcia." I'm a bit confused here. Do any of these have any connection with the Pittsburgh Pirates, or was he offered a contract with that team and turned it down? Also, what is a D class affiliate?
 * After the war, when he played for the Wilkes-Barre Barons, did this team have any connections with his previous ones?
 * What is a "one-hitter"?
 * Fixed. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear

Cleveland Indians and Chicago White Sox
 * "Promoted" implies some connection between the teams again. All this needs spelling out for people like me!
 * "Trying to earn a spot" sounds a little informal.
 * Also "optioned". Does this mean he was demoted from the main team?
 * Why did he play for the Dallas Eagles?
 * "Finished his tenure..." presumably with the White Sox?
 * What is a farm team?
 * Fixed. Re optioning, yes. I can't find anything on his two games in Dallas, so not sure why. Farm team is somewhat jargon meaning minor league team.
 * As a footnote, minor league affiliations pre-1970 are admittedly extremely confusing; I don't understand many of them myself. Mainly they are in levels (AAA, AA, A, B, C, and D) in descending order, and I try to limit mentions to that if I can due to the confusion, as some minor league teams are connected to major league teams, but others are not. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear

Return to minor leagues
 * What are "holdouts"?
 * Again, is there a connection with the Yankees and Oakland Oaks? Was he sold?
 * "The Yankees sent him to the Oaks to make up for sending over George Earl Toolson last season, who the Oaks had to return because his condition was poor." Not sure I follow this. Is there some connection with Groth, or is it just the reason he was sent? And if so, why was he chosen?
 * AA farm team? And does sent mean sold or moved or demoted?
 * "Four hit victory"?
 * Did he chose to end his career or was he sacked?
 * Fixed. I added Toolson in since he was a party in a lawsuit against the Yankees (Toolson v. New York Yankees) so I thought it interesting to add, though it is a bit tangential. AA would be a demotion from where he was, but since he moved to a different team (Washington instead of Philadelphia) I kept the term out. As for his end, I have no idea. He probably couldn't find a team to sign with, but he was 34 so he probably didn't have much left. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear

Later life
 * Why was he inducted into the Beaver County Sports Hall of Fame? His career does not seem to have been amazing!
 * Tough to say. I added in a link to the Hall, it seems like any major leaguer from the area could probably get into it. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear

Other
 * Ref 3 just seems to refer to one game which is not what is mentioned in the article.
 * Other refs ok.
 * I'm using the ref to show that he played two positions in county baseball, as per the box score in that ref. It's tricky but it's about as good as I can do. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear

Everything else fine, and I will be happy to pass this once these issues have been clarified. --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:30, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Answered everything about as well as I could. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 01:15, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I've made a few changes to the wording to avoid repetition, fixed the remaining ndashes and added a few links to the article to help explain things for people like me! Otherwise, fine now.
 * GA review (see here for criteria)

Happy to pass now, well done. --Sarastro1 (talk) 09:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
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