Talk:Ernst Ludwig Wilhelm von Bismarck

Genesis
See a discussion from 17–21 February 2014 at Reference_desk/Language from that came a translation of the main source used to date:

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-- PBS (talk) 15:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Uncle Bismarck
This This edit by Medeis inserted the information that "". This can be supported by two sources.

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 * Unfortunately I cannot access the referenced volume from where I am located, nevertheless the claim in the article that he is an uncle of the famous chancellor is unsubstantiated. He seems to be a rather distant relative, see Bismarck family or the family of his father in relation to the family of the chancellor. --Pp.paul.4 (talk) 13:06, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I had considered including that information when I wrote the article as it can be found in two sources for which can be accessed on line,
 * " 1st Elbe LWIR: In 1814, Oberst-Lt von Bismarck, Uncle of the future Chancellor of Imperial Germany.... Their commander, Oberst von Bismarck, was killed at Namur (20 June). ( Prussian Napoleonic Landwehr Infantry and Cavalry 1808-1815: Landsturm, Volunteer Cavalry and Streifkorpsmore by Stephen Summerfield, page 46)
 * "Also killed was Colonel von Bismarck, commander of the 1st Elbe Landwehr and uncle of the future Chancellor of united Germany" (On the Fields of Glory: The Battlefields of the 1815 Campaign, by page 313)
 * (I can/will not supply a link to the first one because it is on a Wikipedia black list but a Google search on "Uncle of the future Chancellor of Imperial Germany" will return it.)

but I agree with Pp.paul.4 I think that these two sources are military histories only mentioning the subject of this biography in passing. As there are good reasons for thinking that he was a more distant relative than uncle I have removed the information. It may be that with further discussion and research here, it will be shown that the uncle information ought to be included.

Unfortunately the article House of Bismarck does not show the family tree to any great extent however the German article de:Bismarck (Adelsgeschlecht) does make it clearer. Although it does not yet include the subject of this biography it does include his father.

-- PBS (talk) 16:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)