Talk:Ernst Udet

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This article repeats the claim that Udet introduced dive bombing. This is simply not true, the technique was in use before he arrived, and the Lufftwaffe was already interested in it. I'm going to change this portion. Maury 13:36, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Was he really one of the youngest aces, as the article claims? From what I've seen, his age was rather typical - although his score of 62 kills was remarkable, particularly for being only 22 when the war was over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harry Yelreh (talk • contribs) 19:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Place of birth
An unregistered user has changed Udet's place of birth from Frankfurt to Munich. All the references I've seen online say he was born in Frankfurt so I'm going to change it back. Does anyone have any more info on this? Cjrother 16:31, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Frankfurt-am-Main according to German Fighter Aces of World War One by Treadwell & Wood. Geoff/Gsl 07:02, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Films
Ernst Udet also starred (as himself) in Stürme über Mont Blanc with Leni Riefenstahl and others, as can be seen in the movie itself - or elsewhere, such as http://www.riefenstahl.org/actress/1930/. /Andrey Warkentin 09:10, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Hoaky Nazi Version
Udet's autobiography was filtered by the Nazis so the story of his involvement with them and his death gets pretty hoaky. That's why we don't read anything of Goering. The editor of the book I'm using, Ulanoff, points all that out - the uncharacteristic philosophy and the supposition of suicide. Ulanoff seems to feel the nazis may have had agents standing there to pull the trigger. Udet was made to take the fall for the Battle of Britain by Goering, who had been assuring Hitler he could defeat Britain just with aircraft. Udet's supposed last actions sound like those of an insane man, with childish messages supposedly scrawled here and there. They could also be a fabrication. I don't buy them myself. Udet never liked Goering to start with, so why should he commit suicide over him? If anyone has any evidence here, come forward. Note also that after the war the Hitler Youth continued a sort of partisan effort, executing Germans who were too quick to cooperate, so accounts of Germans near 1945 may not be accurate either.Dave 14:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Contribution moved from article
Udet had more than one girlfriend when he died, my aunt Betty Reibel( deceased ) was close to him, she went to his apartment in Berlin after his death, Behind his bed was written on the wallpaper in bold letters: " Eiserner, Du hast mich verraten." Iron one, you betrayed me. " That was an allusion to Hitler, who was depicted as eiserner Kanzler, Iron chancellor. I was 10 years old and was told by my mother, Aunt Betty visited us almost every weekend in Nikolasse, where my Elternhaus was. Maris Haag ( username )

Contribution moved here awaiting citation/verifiability, prior to incorporation into article. Scoop100 (talk) 14:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Some corrections:

1. Otto von Bismarck, 'Reichskanzler' (Chancellor of the empire) in the years 1871-1890, was called 'Eiserner Kanzler' (Iron chancellor), not Hitler.

2. The addressee of the message "Eiserner, du hast mich verraten" was Hermann Goering, not Hitler.

3. I suggest Udet called Göring 'Eiserner' because of the fact, that Göring was the first and only member of the German Forces in WW2 who received the 'Großkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes' (Grand Cross of the Iron Cross', a medal even higher than the 'Ritterkreuz' (Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.248.85.245 (talk) 01:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Great graphic
There is a terrific graphic of Udet's plane, distinguishable by his girlfriend's nickname "Lo" painted upon it at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fokker_D._VII_3_vues.jpg#metadata. If some good soul with greater skills could dub it into the article, it would make a nice edition.

My identification of this plane came from the back matter of "Fokker D.VII Aces of World War I''.

Georgejdorner (talk) 17:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Error?
Currently reads downing his first French opponent on March 18, 1916. On that occasion, he scrambled to attack two French aircraft; instead, he found a formation of 23. He dove in from above and behind, giving his Fokker D.III full throttle...

But the D.III didn't enter squadron service until September '16. I think it should read E.III, as that spring the Eindecker was the dominant German fighter. "Full throttle" is completely wrong, since the Oberursel like all rotaries had no throttle at all! A certain very limited speed control could be obtained through adjusting mixture, but it was a finicky, trial-and-error process. Solicitr (talk) 02:31, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, now you have me doubting myself. I will have to get "Early German Aces of World War I" back in my hands; I had it under an inter-library loan program, and will have to ask for its return. May take a while. In the meantime, if anyone else has a copy and could check this out.....

Thanks for the heads-up.

Georgejdorner (talk) 15:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * error 2. "shortcomings when the Luftwaffe lost the Battle of Britain".
 * The Battle of Britain was not acknowledged as a loss in Germany during the war. On being questioned by a senior British Test Pilot following his surrender, Goering declared it a draw for the week that Hitler took the battle from him the German pilots had finally started killing more pilots than they lost. Had the battle been allowed to continue it would have meant that things could were likely to have got worse and that Germany was not hampered by the invasion of Russia.

Weatherlawyer (talk) 00:27, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

The use of other wikipedia articles as references??
I've noticed when cleaning up the references in the article from bare URL links to full citations that there is a reference to a wikipedia article about Martha Dodd, which Udet supposedly had a affair with.

The question I want to ask - are wikipedia articles allowed as references to another wikipedia article?

In this case, the article on Ernst Udet, someone has written that he had an affair with Martha Dodd, and the only reference to that is a citation to the wikipedia article on Martha Dodd. (this is mentioned in the section 'Suicide' at the bottom of the article on Udet)

I haven't come across this before, and I am unsure in what to do with it. Could someone please advise in what to do in regards of using wikipedia articles as references in other wikipedia articles??

If you can't use other wikipedia pages as references (which I am unsure), then could someone please find some references in regards to this statement (that Ernst Udet had a relationship with Martha Dodd)?

Historynut101 (talk) 03:54, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Udet-oso-beautiful-clouds.psd
Why do we need "a recoloured portrait" with added digital-era Photoshop clouds?94.191.146.191 (talk) 13:38, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Imperial German Air Service / Imperial German Army
These terms are not that helpful; more, they are misleading. In fact, there was a Imperial German Navy, but no such German Army. The question is, what part of German Army he joined in 1914 and belonged to later ? Prussian Army ? Wurttemberg Army ? --188.174.56.195 (talk) 17:18, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Reference to Ohler book
My citation from Norman Ohler was not merely in regards to brandy and cognac consumption but to Udet's overall unsuitability for organizational management. Hungrydog55 (talk) 00:01, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Stray reference
There's a citation to a work by Rentschler but no bibliographical entry. Can anyone clarify this?? Hungrydog55 (talk) 00:05, 22 May 2023 (UTC)