Talk:Eros Ramazzotti

Personal life
The article says nothing about his personal life. Is anything public ? Are there rumours ? -- Beardo (talk) 23:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

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Would you please provide a source of ref. of an official web site that says the birth name of Eros Ramazzotti is Eros Luciano Walter Ramazzotti Molina. Neither his Italian official web site nor the German one say anything about his name being what your recent edit does. Rai International Online does not say anything about that either. The "www.it.wikipedia.org" says Eros Walter Luciano Ramazzotti for his birth name, which is again not sourced. I hope you are not relying on info coming from "www.artistdirect.com" as it's not anything official.

I will leave your edit for now until you provide an official source for it. "Artist Direct", I'm affraid to say, is not going to do it.--Harout72 (talk) 18:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Discography
There is already a discography article for this artist. There is no point in keeping these long tables in here. That's why we have discography aricles. Udonknome (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You should have posted your discussion before removing the table three times and running into a quarrel with me as well as calling me Clueless on my talk page. I'll say what I said to you on your talk page. Keeping the table serves a detailed information about how well an album or a single has charted in a particular country the reader would be interested in. There is no need to fill the discography section (as you claim that's what it's there for) with dozens of chart positions when it could be used for something more essential --Harout72 (talk) 19:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You seem to be offended for me calling you clueless, yet you didn't really hesitate into labelling me a vandal. Nonetheless, you just proved my point!! "There is no need to fill the discography section with dozens of chart positions when it could be used for something more essential" Isn't that what I've been doing? Also, have you even ever seen a discography article? They always have those kind of lengthy charts and are meant to focus on the artist's discography. Udonknome (talk) 20:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The discography you are suggesting is right in the middle of the article and that's what I'm against. Why do you want to include whole lots of links redirecting to chart positions (which will never be found in one or two places) when we already have a well established table. The discography I am for is already located at the end of the article.--Harout72 (talk) 20:21, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So why did you undo all of my edits and label them as vandalism, while you simply could've had moved it down in the article? And where are these "lots of links redirecting to chart positions"? There is only ONE link directing to his discography article!!! Udonknome (talk) 20:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Plus, my work was not only in the discography section. I fixed the biography structure and put a POV template regarding the biography and the "glimpse of personal life" sections. Udonknome (talk) 20:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Discography section you currently have in the middle of the article is nowhere close to what the former represented. As for lots of links redirecting to chart positions, it's something you are suggested to have after having the table removed, which I opposed by saying, it cannot be matched because you simply can't include one or two links to help the reader click on and locate all the chart-positions. So, it was unnecessary to remove the table as well as replace the heading Forward with  Foward which does not exist in English language.--Harout72 (talk) 20:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I never suggested lots of link redirecting...I mean, all I suggested is what I actually did. And for the "foward" typo, when I was putting the section under the "biography" section I initially changed that section to "2003-Present", but then I changed my mind and going back to forward. Simply missed an "r" when typing. Udonknome (talk) 04:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I am no longer going to argue over this, you want to try to have the chart-positions on an entirely different page and having it linked to Eros's article with a link-to-the-discography-article, let's try it. But let me ask you this, how long do you think before some admin. spots it and suggests that it would be better if we merged it with the main article of the artist? Just remember please, to discuss this kind of changes first on the talk-page first, especially when you take a long break from contributing to an article, so it won't look like someone just jumped in and did whatever came to mind. Since you had no explanation in the history-summary it seemed like a clear vandalism. I am simply trying to keep people from messing up this page, you would do the same if you put as much time into expanding an article as I have done on this, and it still needs work.--Harout72 (talk) 21:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh well, in that case I would showcase my argument by sending to them a dozen of other discography articles of other artists and make my point :) Udonknome (talk) 02:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Just one more thing before we agree to leave the entire chart-positions linked to the article (the way you're suggesting), exactly what wiki-policy were your arguments based on, in other words, is there such a policy that says we cannot have lengthy charts within articles?--Harout72 (talk) 03:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well it's not a policy, it's more of something specific of WikiProject Music...see WikiProject_Music/MUSTARD/Discography...it says If a simple system cannot accommodate an artist's entire discography, a subpage (preferably titled " discography") should be created using summary style. Udonknome (talk) 03:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

So you think that this chart is so big that that the system is unable to accomadate, having something like what your link above suggests could perhaps be related to artists like The Beatles for example who have released so many albums/singles throughout their career that the system can no longer hold on one single page. I personally don't see how Eros's page needs that.--Harout72 (talk) 03:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Of course, The Beatles are a different thing (that's why they have multiple discography articles!!) and that may have been a weak comparision by my side. Still, I'm positive that 14 albums and 30 singles are more than enough to move the content to a separate discography article. Udonknome (talk) 14:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, can't say I agree that the page is long enough at the moment to do what you're suggesting, but since there is a huge chance that Eros is going to keep releasing records and I'm most definitely going to keep expanding the page as well as the length of the chart-table, I'd say let's go ahead and keep it on a separate page as you already have done it even though it's early for such a call.--Harout72 (talk) 05:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Boa tarde, Eros!

Eu gostaria que o cantor Eros Ramazzotti soubesse o quanto me ajudou no ano passado (2007), em minha recuperação (Síndrome do Pânico), fiquei sabendo que ele viria ao Brasil em Maio entre os dias (+/-) 21, 22 ou 23), então pensei que teria que ficar boa para vê-lo, tentei vários contatos com programas para que eu pudesse trabalhar para conseguir pagar o ingresso, soube depois que não haveria a apresentação. Sábado passado, no programa do Amaury Junior, vi a reportagem feita e me encheu de esperança em ver seu show no ano que vem. Só Eros que poderia ser também do Rio de Janeiro (quem sabe uma única apresentação?). Bom gostaria que se fosse possível chegar este meu e-mail até o Eros! Eros vc tem uma linda família!!! Que Deus estaja sempre abençoando à todos. Sucesso!!!!!

"ESTOU ESCREVENDO PQ UM COLEGA DE TRABALHO ABRIU ACESSO COM SUA SENHA".

Só os gerentes e supervisores que tem acesso a internet.

Caso queira enviar alguma coisa: Fátima Vieira (cond.fatima@cipa.com.br)

Um forte abraço.

Fátima —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.196.51.29 (talk) 20:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Harout72
This particular user has vandalised the page by inserting a long piece of unreferenced and unencyclopedic text. As Harout72 wants it to be noted on the talk page why this paragraph should be removed, here goes: The whole section is an unencyclopedic narrative with no place on Wikipedia. The fact that it is stolen from a newspaper is reason enough why it has to be deleted, and inserting it again as Harout72 has been doing is a flagrant violation of Wikipedia policies and rules. JdeJ (talk) 18:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Copy-violation. Large parts of the paragraph is copied word by word from a an article in the German paper Der Stern.
 * Peacock-terms. Phrases such as "the Italian pop-star has managed to enter the hearts of millions with his music" are clearly not enclyclopedic
 * Unencyclopedic language. There are no wikilinks in the paragraph, and it is filled with phrases like "she proved her pig-headedness by going as far as calling her future pop-star-son after a Greek Love God", "priests would refuse to baptize those suburb rascals with offensive names".


 * Copied and pasted word for word? You must be joking, the original article is in German in case you have not noticed, therefore I could not have possibly copied and pasted as you are suggesting. German language is very difficult to translate word for word. Yes I have kept the general idea matching to the published article because I have used the article by Der Stern as a source. I am sorry if I have not been able to to make it sound anymore encyclopedic than that, but for certain, I have not violated any polices. Instead of simply removing whole chunk of info, you should have discussed. Regards. --Harout72 (talk) 20:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You're not only a vandal, you're a lier as well. I've read "your" text and I've read the German text and this is a clear copy-paste violation. Copyright laws are in place even if you don't repeat every single word. In this case, many sentences and expressions are completely identical, the whole text is just the article in new form. And to make matters worse, it wouldn't belong on Wikipedia even if it did. If you add the text again, I will report you for violating copyright rules WP:CV. JdeJ (talk) 21:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I honestly don't know what it is you are trying to prove, but it is not stealing a material when you credit the original source, and in this case, I have done that several times within Eros' personal-life section. So, do not dare to call me a liar. The translation itself may need some improvement in an encyclopedic way but this is a good source to rely on at the moment until we find more. I have used the source and credited it for every single quote I have provided, I simply can't understand how one could call this vandalism.--Harout72 (talk) 01:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems like you have a very vague idea about what a copyright violation is. Just because you provide the source, it does not mean you can go and repeat the article in the way you have done. I've suggested many times already that you read up on copyright rules but instead you just keep inserting this text. And, to make matters worse, the text is full of peacock terms, weasel words and pov-statements. It adds nothing to the article, instead it diminishes its value.JdeJ (talk) 09:42, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Not long ago I had posted Eros Ramazzotti's article for peer-review, don't you think someone would have let me know if I was violating for providing a sourced material, do you really think you are the only one who's able to read German? Please, try and show a little more logical approach rather than just removing sourced material. --Harout72 (talk) 02:03, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Since you have copied it from a German source and translated it yourself, a reviewer who doesn't speak German would not have noticed it what you have done. JdeJ (talk) 09:42, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Low quality
This article reads like a page in a cheesy newspaper (perhaps because Harout72 copied it from one) with WP:peacock terms like "the Italian pop-star has managed to enter the hearts of millions with his music", "details about his extravagant production of his album Calma Apparente ", WP:POV statements like "priests would refuse to baptize those suburb rascals with offensive names", "Although Ramazzotti has been singing about endless love and consumptive passion for over 20 years, his own romantic life ended up in an unfortunate marriage". To name but a few. Harout72 may have the best intentions, but "his" text is clearly making this article less encyclopedic and less trustworthy. In short, it is lowering the quality of the whole article. JdeJ (talk) 10:00, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The Personal life section is/was purely promotional and completely unencyclopedic. I have removed it; unlike the German language puff piece, the purpose of an encyclopedia article is not to be an extension of the publicity apparatus of the subject. CIreland (talk) 14:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Now it definitely is of low quality. It's quite unfortunate that we have so many idiots hovering around wikipedia, here is what I mean: watch this part of the damage to the article  which was based due to the source-removal of this genius Attilios, it is simply unbelievable. --Harout72 (talk) 15:28, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * After the improvements by Attilios and CIreland, the article is considerable improved. What Harout72 choses to call "damage" by "idiots" are in fact welcomed and encyclopedic improvements by responsible users. Thanks to both of you. JdeJ (talk) 16:38, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's another problem: it says practically nothing about the music itself. I went to this article to see what Ramazzotti sounded like. Do pop star articles ever have this sort of discussion? Are any of you qualified enough to make this sort of contribution (at least an initial one that could be expanded later)? This would be really helpful. Dunkelweizen (talk) 16:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Eros' genre stands right within the info box, if perhaps you'd like to know what his music sounds like, you should visit online music stores where you could find his albums and listen to the samples.--Harout72 (talk) 18:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 June 2013
Eros Luciano Walter Ramazzotti  (born November 17, 1964), known simply as Eros Ramazzotti, is an Italian musician and singer-songwriter.


 * Copying and pasting the entire article on the talk page like you have done here isn't the way how edit requests work. Your edit request is clearly with regards to the date of birth as you have changed it here. In order to change Ramazzotti's date of birth, you need to provide a reliable source. Because we currently have a reliable source which disagrees with your suggestion. Finally, you need to sign your messages.--Harout72 (talk) 19:22, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Split of Awards and nominations into a separate page
There should be a separate "awards and nominations" section for this musician. I decided that this must be necessary.Fixer88 (talk) 17:36, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I am all for splitting the article. We have just too many awards that take almost half the space in the article. Move to a separate page "List of awards and nominations received by Eros Ramazzotti" creating a brief summary in main article about the very important awards. werldwayd (talk) 18:28, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Photo
Wouldn't it be better to have a close up of his face as the main photo - the one of him on stage playing guitar isn't really representative, is it ? -- Beardo (talk) 21:47, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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Why Spanish?
There's nothing in the article explaining why an Italian musician is releasing music also in Spanish. That feels like a curious omission. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 09:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)